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I dont know, its exactly my point, the governtment would have no purpose to have done 9-11, because that is what the videos are saying one of the motives of the government to be behind 9-11. Im agreeing with you, and saying that the consiracy theories are trash when they say that the government did 9-11 just to give justification to the war.
 
oh now I see where you thought I said the war helped us, no Im saying (e-sarcasm)look how much the war helped us(end e-sarcasm)
 
DUMBASS, listen up. first off, as mi(scra)tch said, there is no proof that he bought insurance a month before 9-11. dont you think that if our government was going to do something as corrupt as knock down the twin towers, and kill all of those people, dont you think that they wouldnt tell the owner of the building, and if they did decide to tell him, they would tell him a little bit earlier than a month before.

Also, if the guy knew the towers were going to be hit, he wouldnt buy insurance, he would tell all of those innocent people in the building, his clients who bought the building, and so on.

And finaly, if he bought insurance from whoever insured the towers, and a month later the towers went down, dont you think that they would be a little bit suspicious, maybe even investigate or sue?

But no, we dont hear from the people like insurance companies who lost billions upon billions of dollars, the people who were actually affected by 9-11, we dont hear them say how it is a corrupt attack by the government, no its dumbasses like the kid who made loose change
 
doubtful; if you were going to commit fraud in that magnitude, your morals probably aren't in line and you wouldn't want one of the thousands of innocent people to 'slip up and tell somebody about your plan.'
 
What happened to the giant steel core of the building? Those steel beams were 4 inches thick, criss crossing making a mesh. of 4 inch thick steel. With cross beams spanning the entire thing. the holes of the between the beams made enough room for elevators and stairwells, but a giant steel core was basically what it was. an open fire won't melt that. and it won't heat 4 inch thick steel to a breaking point. did you watch the part about the smaller building that had a raging fire in it for 7 hours in like 1975. the fire gutted anything not steel or concrete. but that shit didn't collapse.

on top of that, the planes didn't hit the center of the buildings. Plane two just shaved out the side, the fuselage wasn't even near the core. so the explosion and fire wouldn't of been able to move that far in just an hour and a half.

If you think the towers went down because of those planes you're a fucking idiot. And they couldn't alter the shots of the glass at the bottom floors, because those floors are gone now.

I don't know if it was the Government, but Building 7 is fucked up. Think of the documents it held. Enron and Worldcom evidence and cases. Those are gone now. Convenient right? If it was them it was flawless. Because with Building 7 people were easily tricked into believing that it was also because of the two planes bringing down towers 1 and 2. But the picture some one posted above raises some eyebrows. And the fact that building seven's power was shut down with only 2 weeks of notice for a weekend, and workers were seen going inside with tools. And people recalled seeing workers putting in long wires in weird places.

I don't think that Osama Bin Laden is that clever. And I don't think he could of pulled it off.

I do also consider George W. Bush the worlds biggest terrorist.

I wonder how you people would react if another country just started bombing our civilian populations in major cities.

Even though you talk like a retard Mattman, I agree that the towers were an orchestrated demolition.
 
Wow, read my post.

The planes definitely reached the core of the building. 4 inches think means nothing. That can translate heat just as 8 inches of steel or 2. Do the math, find the formula for velocity/inertia and you will find that a subject of that mass and traveling at that speed can easily reach the core of the WTC. Not to mention the heat could be felt for 20 floors above and below the crash.

Did I not explain the difference between a fire and a plane impact. Again read my post before.

Oh so I'm a fucking idiot for believing what I actually saw instead of believing an online conspiracy. You are right, man I wish I could be as smart as you!

Wow, if you honesty are trying to incorporate Enron and Worldcom into 9/11 I feel incredibly bad for you. Hundreds of thousands of businesses' profiles were in there. Obviously most major corporations will be in there too.

Wow, Osama Bin Laden not that clever? It's pretty apparent you know NOTHING about him. Osama studied at Oxford and had decades of war/terrorism experience before 9/11. His family was very wealthy and he was highly educated and powerful. I'm sure with a background like that he couldn't possibly have set up an attack on America.

I feel bad for you, I really do.
 
Wow...

He didn't work for the CIA, the CIA funded his group (MAK) and the Pakistani military provided US weapons/training against Russian invaders. That was until Saudi Arabia basically became a territory of the US and the US intervened in the holiest land in the Middle East (not giving clearance for Bin Laden to do what he did, just saying) You need to read actual books more and not the internet, you are misinterpreting quite a bit of important information.

Seriously NS, you are sad.
 
It wasn't even the CIA technically it was just our military intervention. Just like how we placed the Shah in Iran.
 
stop saying wow and acting like you know everything, who the fuck doesnt know the us help him fight against the russians. im talking about him actually working for the cia under the name TIM OSMAN. like working in the us, not fighting the ruskies in afghanland.
 
ok buddy.

The planes definitely reached the core of the building. 4 inches think means nothing. That can translate heat just as 8 inches of steel or 2. Do the math, find the formula for velocity/inertia and you will find that a subject of that mass and traveling at that speed can easily reach the core of the WTC. Not to mention the heat could be felt for 20 floors above and below the crash.

I don't really want to write a full rebuttal to all the stupid shit you just said. And i'm not going to go back and read your stupid posts about stupid shit that you think you know about. Seriously pull your head out of your ass. If you knew anything about how those buildings were designed, you'd know that two planes of that size wouldn't bring those buildings down. Plain and simple. I don't give a shit about your fires. We'll get back to that. A typical Boeing 747 weighs 127.5 Tons with a full tank of fuel. The world trade center weighed out to be roughly 200,000,000 Tons of rubble. So your towers weigh approx that standing. To compete in weight with the towers it would take 784,313 Boeing 747's. And about the planes reaching the core, each tower's surface area on the roof was roughly 1 acre. Where the planes went through was not in the core. They wouldn't have excited the opposite side. Besides, people who were on higher floors wouldn't have been able to get down through stairwells like they did, because a giant plane would of been there. Again, the wings also wouldn't of penetrated it. I said the FUSELAGE (that big round part) didn't come close to the core. Furthermore, how did the core collapse when it was almost a solid structure. Like your bones, and the meshed steel throughout was like marrow. You haven't had enough education apparently. I thought No Child Left Behind was supposed to work.

Did I not explain the difference between a fire and a plane impact. Again read my post before.

The fire. Oh boy. Ok, so a 747's gastank holds 11,500 US gallons of jet fuel. Have you ever thrown gasoline on an open fire? There's a big fireball right? and then it smokes and burns for awhile, but the fuel itself is expended for the most part. Those giant fireballs that came with the planes contacting the towers, was the fuel burning up in one giant plume. it was more than 25 stories tall. The remaining fire was combustible couches and draperies, blinds, carpets, wooden desks, sheetrock/drywall, things of that nature. The fire wouldn't have touched the interior steel of the structure, because there was concrete surrounding most of it. Why do you think there was so much dust when they detonated the charges and from when the planes hit. Steel in the core was not failing. There's no way it could of. The outside floors would of just sheared off, and there'd be a giant concrete and metal mass with floors hanging at random. Think Oklahoma City bombing but on a 110 story building.

Wow, if you honesty are trying to incorporate Enron and Worldcom into 9/11 I feel incredibly bad for you. Hundreds of thousands of businesses' profiles were in there. Obviously most major corporations will be in there too.

If you think it's ok for some of the largest scandals, crimes, evidence documents from major secure government offices were archived in the building then you must be a young kid. Because you don't understand how many crooks got off for ripping people off, and making billions doing it.

Wow, Osama Bin Laden not that clever? It's pretty apparent you know NOTHING about him. Osama studied at Oxford and had decades of war/terrorism experience before 9/11. His family was very wealthy and he was highly educated and powerful. I'm sure with a background like that he couldn't possibly have set up an attack on America.

I said Osama Bin Laden isn't smart enough to have organized the demolition of the towers. I'm sure he was part of the planes. He's making as much money as George W. and his buddies are. They're all in on it. George W. is a bigger terrorist than OBL

the last part is bold because i think you might be too thick to get it.

I feel bad for you, I really do.

You shouldn't. I have a great life.
 
It is really easy to be drawn in (or seduced, if you will) to negligible "evidence" if you are not fully aware of both sides. And you are not aware of how that film puts it: "the official side." You don't think that film was at all biased? Or the information presented in an equal manner? Far from. It is akin to the just rapid online conspiracy movement, which is rather limited to the internet (albeit, frighteningly, towards television). It presented nothing new, just monotonous guesswork.

First off, your first set of inquiry has been explained (well, attempted to be explained) numerous times.

Nobody said the fires melted the steel, because it couldn't melt it. But yes, it did weaken it. By how much? I don't know, but there are people with the know how to find out, and have investigated it far, far more than the guy who created this film. Who knows exactly how bad the damage was, but one structural failure can lead to an entire failure. So while the building was designed to take the impact of a plane, and the steel cannot melt, certain elements of failure and weakening can lead to a complete collapse.

And as for that one building shown, it was, after all, a much smaller building, built vastly different, and had an incident that was by no means similar to the circumstances at the World Trade Center. To compare them is foolish; apples and oranges.

Windows exploding at the bottom of the building? I don't think anybody is denying that. But have ever considering what happens to a building when it gets hit by an airplane? As your faithful movie describes, the building is made of steel, and thus can bend. It is even designed to allow flexibility on the windiest of days, and because of its height, it will alter inches, maybe feet. Look what happened to the John Hancock building when it was constructed. It is not the same situation, but slight variations in the moldings for the windows caused them to blow out without any impact of any kind,. When those planes struck, where does that energy and force go? The building isn't fully static, so some of that massive amounts of energy is going to work its way down that building.

WTC7 has been attempted to be explained so many times its ridiculous. You, like most of the conspiracy believers, have misconstrued little itty bitty things that have no relevance. The biggest, of course, is that initial FEMA report that seems to find its way into every single discussion known to man.

As for your views on Bush and such, obviously they are left of center, which I guess can explain why you are quick to believe that it is a government orchestrated event. I'm a liberal, but fuck, common sense is a great tool, as is critical thinking, and of course, being educated doesn't hurt in matters such as these. And by that I mean really diving into this personally. Rather than looking at a bunch of videos on YouTube, look at documents from both sides, official statements. Look at the visual evidence from pictures. However, it is amazing what people think they see (i.e. a missile hole in the pentagon, no windows on planes [there were], puffs from explosions [compressed air by any chance?], etc. etc.}.

But Bush a terrorist? How? He may have called for the war in Iraq with flawed evidence, but there is a very distinct different between people with guns in uniform and people with missile launchers sitting in a building with their family shooting at people as they go by, or walking into a market in Tel Aviv and blowing some people up. Bush may be a fool, bad leader, whatever, and thousands may die as a result of his incompetancy, but he is not a terrorist, because literally, he isn't!

As for Bin Laden, how is he not smart enough? History channel has an excellent program about his life, and if you love watching things, you can see that he is quite educated, not to mention bloody wealthy. Oh, and he has utter contempt for the Western World. He has issued decrees that Muslims kill Americans. Funny, eh? The World Trade Center was bombed in 1993 by Islamic extremists, one such was Ramzi Yussuf. It was orchestrated by al-Qaeda, who is founded by nobody other than Osama bin laden. 2001 wasn’t the first time. Also, look at the nature of terrorist attacks in the past, or should I list them considering none of these online videos contain anything regarding them. And quite frankly, it is crucial to understand that there are people who conduct these acts on western countries, especially people that are allies of Israel.

And speaking of Bin Laden, he claimed responsibility for the attacks. Should we not believe him? Was he paid by the Bush administration? I guess so, because it is obvious. There is no proof, but it is obvious.

 
No, no, no...

See, the plane debris itself may not have reached the core, but the area of the explosion definitely did. Do you know what the forward force of an explosion that size is? It could easily reach the entire span of the building from inside. My head is quite above my ass on my shoulders thank you very much. Right, I'm the one without enough education, watching online videos and basing my arguments off them. You are once again superior in intellect.

Ever heard of an impact force? You know when a 127.5 ton plane hits a building? That little thing called force?

Now you're just flat out trying to twist my words. I said there were hundreds of thousands of business' documents in that building and it isn't a major coincidence that Enron and Worldcom files were in there.

I don't understand? Right, I know exactly what happened with the Enron scandal and it happens all the time in corporate America. I still don't see the point to bring anything like that into this argument.

You said "I don't think that Osama Bin Laden is that clever. And I don't think he could of pulled it off. " in a seperate paragraph, so I responded to the context in which it was put.

"They're all in on it."

Right with Bush's short time in office he had time to develop the biggest global scandal the human population has ever seen. You're trying to call me uneducated?
 
As much as I love everything in your post, there's one sentence that really bothers me. Honestly though, it was a great post and I'm just trying to understand one point...

"It was orchestrated by al-Qaeda"

Al-Qaeda didn't even exist until around 1998 after the collapse of the Mujadaheen. Bin Laden was still running his MAK group in 1993 and Al Qaeda hadn't been media exploded yet.

But other than that, it was a great informative post and I agree with it.

 
Hmmm my mistake. But I thought MAK was the predecessor to al-Qaeda, and then absorbed into al-Qaeda in the early 1990's. I say that because I'm pretty sure Ramzi was associated with al-Qaeda, and not MAK.
 
I'm almost positive Ramzi was raised in Pakistan and affiliated with the training of the MAK by Pakistani agents. MAK did become Al-Qaeda, but I'm pretty sure Ramzi was involved with MAK before Al-qaeda. Anyway, great post.
 
If I didnt know any better I would say there are some real geniuses in here. I'm talking about people that understand engineering and physics better than, well absolutely everyone else... in the world apparently.

How about let's all pretend that for a second we all don't know anything about the properties of steel, concrete, bolts, rivots etc (Mind you pretending isn't what some of us need to do...) and look at it completely rationally.

I know we've all seen the videos of those towers go down: Now where do both those buildings fail? Hmmmm, where? Hmmmmmmm? Now I don't have the best of vision, but it looks strangely to me like they fail right at the floors where the planes hit and thus, affected most.

So as it seems, the conspirators that did this must have employed a fantastic group of pre-cogs (what movie is that again) and had them predict where the pilots would be hitting the towers at, so that they could then plant explosives for the demolition accordingly...

Please argue that the pilots were told to fly into those particular floors...

However, since too many people understand exactly how steel and concrete behave under every possible condition that could be presented (of which there are infinite), we have clearly concluded that the buildings were artificially brought down. Luckily NS is also a gathering place for the worlds foremost scientific and engineering minds. Who needs rational when you got that?
 
Exactly right,

As I said, the buildings went down somewhere between the 90th and 97th floors. This would mean the bombs would have to have been planted directly in corporate property, since there are no mechanical floors in that range. You would need massive explosives and you would need a hell of a lot of places to put them in. It would take months of placing them in the right spots.
 
Miscratch, shut the fuck up. No way did Bush come up with this whole plan you fucking idiot. I'm sure it had been discussed for many years. Im sure there is a whole fucking government group that just sits around all day and plans out terrorist attacks on the US and plans out how they can set them off while the public thinks its out of state terrorists. We are living in a Police state if you havent noticed....

I honestly have no faith in our government anymore and do not put this type of thing past them. There is soo much secret shit going on out there that its rediculous to try and think that the gov't is actually on my side. They have this religous front you could say, but In my opinion they have realized that religion doesnt mean shit and they can pull off all types of shit (towers falling,kiilling thousands) and not be bothered by it (they arent going to hell).

Do you honestly think that our Gov't is 100% honest in everything they say? Until the Government proves me wrong (what do they have to lose to prove all the conspiritors wrong?), they can go to hell.

Bush can suck my fucking dick.
 
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/100207heardbombs.htm

This guy was actually at the fucking 9/11 site, I believe his word is alot more powerful than yours MIscratch (you werent there, so you have no idea what really happened). Now he is dying from inhaling all the toxic dust. This guy is a NYPD dude, he was like 100 yds from a fucking building coming down.

Now you are probably going to say that "pfft prisonplanet...". Well what teh fuck bro, it doesnt matter who made the site, you would say that its not legit. Someone has to put out a different perspective on life man, sorry you might not agree with that point of view, but you need to believe that we are out here. It's not like they are making alot of money off the site, just about everything they do or recommend you can do for free over the internet.

 
Hahahaha

You could make me "shut the fuck up" by providing a solid argument instead of slinging around insults and your radically moronic opinion.
 
You are probably one of the few people in this thread that actually knows what they are talking about.

The planes did reach the core of the building as well as making such a huge explosion that the blast traveled down the elevator shafts into the basement of the building, hence the "bombs in the basement and lobby".

World Trade Center 7 was under intense fire and due to the chaos caused by the falling of the towers the fire was not put out and therefore the building lost its stability towards the end of the day and collapsed. Also the force from the collapsing towers further damaged its structural stability. Large buildings fall into themselves just as in a controlled demolition, think of it in your simple mind like dominoes, one part collapses and every other part that relied on that part for support collapses down along with it.

You know what you are talking about when you say Osama was very wealthy. My grandfather knew Osama's father personally when he served as a British ambassador to Saudi Arabia. Osama was one of the outcasts of the family because he was born from a Syrian mother. He was highly educated and trained in terrorism and war during the conflict with the Soviet Union and later used this experience in the bombings of the embassies in Sudan and the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole.

To all of you who call George Bush the worst terrorist, you are probably the same fucking worthless people who believe in the power of the illuminati and all that other conspiracy bullshit.
 
First of all you're right, I am going to say prison planet pffft.

By your standard of information sources, it would be correct of me to get my information from fox news, because "Someone has to put out a different perspective on life man".

Look kid, you're getting your information of a website, a highly biased one at that. You are getting your information off the internet where it can easily be twisted and skewed more than TV media. You're going to tell me all those points I made are null and void because you read on a biased website that a man heard some "explosions".

There were thousands of people around those buildings. One man testified he heard something...
 
also include, no one before 9/11 sold terrorism insurance. And if the government is willing to kill thousands of people, why wouldnt the kill the makers of the video
 
because then people would take the video seriously and it would probaly be reported by the mainstream media. it has happened before though, there was a canadian reported they committed suicide after he was about to break a story on the us and agriculture buisness and corruption in mexico, also hunter s thompson was working on a story about 9/11 and jeff gannon. he killed himself before he finished it.
 
if you believe this, then you should have no problem believing my neighbor who claims that the CLinton family had her husband killed
 
I thought that documentary was very interesting and it brought up alot of things that I've overlooked and just went along with from the media. I really believe that they were brought down my a demo crew and it should have been obvious when I saw it for the first time in 2001 but was just in such shock that I didn't even think locially about it. How the hell would those buildings fall straight down like that without getting off balance??? Those are hella tall buildings and it wouldn't take much for them to take out everything around them... Everything in it gets you thinking and there is substantial proof of the conspiracy and for alot of reasons...

 
The government may not have intended for all those people to die in the twin towers... From what I see, there was time to get alot of people out (except those above the destruction) but no people in and around them didn't expect them to completely collapse... Those other explosions were not coincodences
 
You obviously took the time to watch the video but failed to take the time to read the posts explaining every point you just made.
 
mattman, go fuck yourself, your from canada. I'm being serious, you cant make any comments about our government, just stick to canada.
 
I don't take my sources from completely biased websites.

I take them from articles, books, others' opinions, the internet, everywhere. Who are you to tell someone from Canada they can't comment on our government? Should you get over yourself for saying that? Either provide an argument or don't post.
 
you told people no to listen to articles, books, others' opinions, or the internet, but you do. You articles very well are biased too. So get over yourself there buddy
 
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