THE NEW LOOSE CHANGE VIDEO- You need to watch! for your own sake
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Capt.Flannel
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Hey guys, ready for this? It may be a shocker but...
You don't know what happened on 9/11 with the buildings! You were not there watching the steel melt, or to see the explosions, or to see whatever. The president MAY know more, he MAY not. Nobody on here knows whether the gov't had any hand in this so stop bitching at each other because YOU DON'T KNOW EITHER WAY.
You don't know what happened on 9/11 with the buildings! You were not there watching the steel melt, or to see the explosions, or to see whatever. The president MAY know more, he MAY not. Nobody on here knows whether the gov't had any hand in this so stop bitching at each other because YOU DON'T KNOW EITHER WAY.
Capt.Flannel
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and there will always be somebody who knows more about the topic than you (be it international relations, terror cells throughout the world, etc etc etc) so whatever you say, somebody will be able to think of some insight that can prove your theory wrong. So, be my guest, and keep arguing, but this argument will never end.
skicraze123
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i watched it some of the things they stated do make me wonder like the pillers broken the same why it would look if demolition devices where planted there but there are also many things that could be wrong
mad_540_trix
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personally, i'm gonna go with the opinion of the guy with the Ph D in Materials Engineering from MIT, plus the president of the American Society of Civil Engineers. They're a lot smarter than any idiot doing research on the internet.
god damn miscratch you suck...i'm sure you'll say these sites are "biased" too but how about credible at least?
http://911scholars.org/ (make sure you look at who they are)
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
also, lets ignore the WTC's for a second and focus on the pentagon. once again i know you will attack the credibility of this site(and it's author) but just ingore your preconcieved notions of everyone who questions the "offical" 9/11 story being crazy, and study these photos.
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight77.html check the links at the top, espically the building damage and the inside damage.
so even if you don't believe the WTC was a controlled demolition, if one aspect of 9/11 was staged, it all had to be in some way.
something else i want to touch on, bush is way too stupid to orchestrate this himself, but he knew. the u.s government is also way too bloated, and unorganized to have a major role. check this site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century (read it all) and tell me that this quote, "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor." isn't at least shocking to hear? it may not ultimatley tie into the whole scheme of things, but just seeing it written is shocking. this goes way above our country, ever heard of the Illuminati? if not, just read some about them, and their practices, then think about their possible involvment in these terrible attacks.
i have the utmost respect for all those who lost their lives in these attacks, and i feel for me it goes beyond proving some kids on a skiing website wrong. it is about the moral implications of what happened in our country, and that we have been lied to for years about what actually happened. so form your own opinions, but the overwhelming evidence of outside involvment is just to hard to ignore.
http://911scholars.org/ (make sure you look at who they are)
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
also, lets ignore the WTC's for a second and focus on the pentagon. once again i know you will attack the credibility of this site(and it's author) but just ingore your preconcieved notions of everyone who questions the "offical" 9/11 story being crazy, and study these photos.
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight77.html check the links at the top, espically the building damage and the inside damage.
so even if you don't believe the WTC was a controlled demolition, if one aspect of 9/11 was staged, it all had to be in some way.
something else i want to touch on, bush is way too stupid to orchestrate this himself, but he knew. the u.s government is also way too bloated, and unorganized to have a major role. check this site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century (read it all) and tell me that this quote, "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor." isn't at least shocking to hear? it may not ultimatley tie into the whole scheme of things, but just seeing it written is shocking. this goes way above our country, ever heard of the Illuminati? if not, just read some about them, and their practices, then think about their possible involvment in these terrible attacks.
i have the utmost respect for all those who lost their lives in these attacks, and i feel for me it goes beyond proving some kids on a skiing website wrong. it is about the moral implications of what happened in our country, and that we have been lied to for years about what actually happened. so form your own opinions, but the overwhelming evidence of outside involvment is just to hard to ignore.
MitchPee
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It IS biased. Radical belief is a form of BIASED news sources.
Moral implications or common sense? You decide. I have shown many times why 9/11 wasn't staged. Explained the hole in the pentagon. Until someone actually takes a part of my argument, I'm done trying to defend against people who just have no common sense.
Moral implications or common sense? You decide. I have shown many times why 9/11 wasn't staged. Explained the hole in the pentagon. Until someone actually takes a part of my argument, I'm done trying to defend against people who just have no common sense.
PurpleSkier
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http://www.alternet.org/story/47679/
The Rise of Christian Fascism and Its Threat to American Democracy
By Chris Hedges, Truthdig
Posted on February 8, 2007, Printed on February 10, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/47679/
Dr. James Luther Adams, my ethics professor at Harvard Divinity School, told his students that when we were his age -- he was then close to 80 -- we would all be fighting the "Christian fascists."
The warning, given 25 years ago, came at the moment Pat Robertson and other radio and television evangelists began speaking about a new political religion that would direct its efforts toward taking control of all institutions, including mainstream denominations and the government. Its stated goal was to use the United States to create a global Christian empire. This call for fundamentalists and evangelicals to take political power was a radical and ominous mutation of traditional Christianity. It was hard, at the time, to take such fantastic rhetoric seriously, especially given the buffoonish quality of those who expounded it. But Adams warned us against the blindness caused by intellectual snobbery. The Nazis, he said, were not going to return with swastikas and brown shirts. Their ideological inheritors had found a mask for fascism in the pages of the Bible.
He was not a man to use the word fascist lightly. He had been in Germany in 1935 and 1936 and worked with the underground anti-Nazi church, known as the Confessing Church, led by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Adams was eventually detained and interrogated by the Gestapo, who suggested he might want to consider returning to the United States. It was a suggestion he followed. He left on a night train with framed portraits of Adolf Hitler placed over the contents of his suitcases to hide the rolls of home-movie film he had taken of the so-called German Christian Church, which was pro-Nazi, and the few individuals who defied the Nazis, including the theologians Karl Barth and Albert Schweitzer. The ruse worked when the border police lifted the tops of the suitcases, saw the portraits of the Führer and closed them up again. I watched hours of the grainy black-and-white films as he narrated in his apartment in Cambridge.
Adams understood that totalitarian movements are built out of deep personal and economic despair. He warned that the flight of manufacturing jobs, the impoverishment of the American working class, the physical obliteration of communities in the vast, soulless exurbs and decaying Rust Belt, were swiftly deforming our society. The current assault on the middle class, which now lives in a world in which anything that can be put on software can be outsourced, would have terrified him. The stories that many in this movement told me over the past two years as I worked on "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America" were stories of this failure -- personal, communal and often economic. This despair, Adams said, would empower dangerous dreamers -- those who today bombard the airwaves with an idealistic and religious utopianism that promises, through violent apocalyptic purification, to eradicate the old, sinful world that has failed many Americans.
These Christian utopians promise to replace this internal and external emptiness with a mythical world where time stops and all problems are solved. The mounting despair rippling across the United States, one I witnessed repeatedly as I traveled the country, remains unaddressed by the Democratic Party, which has abandoned the working class, like its Republican counterpart, for massive corporate funding.
The Christian right has lured tens of millions of Americans, who rightly feel abandoned and betrayed by the political system, from the reality-based world to one of magic -- to fantastic visions of angels and miracles, to a childlike belief that God has a plan for them and Jesus will guide and protect them. This mythological worldview, one that has no use for science or dispassionate, honest intellectual inquiry, one that promises that the loss of jobs and health insurance does not matter, as long as you are right with Jesus, offers a lying world of consistency that addresses the emotional yearnings of desperate followers at the expense of reality. It creates a world where facts become interchangeable with opinions, where lies become true -- the very essence of the totalitarian state. It includes a dark license to kill, to obliterate all those who do not conform to this vision, from Muslims in the Middle East to those at home who refuse to submit to the movement. And it conveniently empowers a rapacious oligarchy whose god is maximum profit at the expense of citizens.
We now live in a nation where the top 1 percent control more wealth than the bottom 90 percent combined, where we have legalized torture and can lock up citizens without trial. Arthur Schlesinger, in "The Cycles of American History," wrote that "the great religious ages were notable for their indifference to human rights in the contemporary sense -- not only for their acquiescence in poverty, inequality and oppression, but for their enthusiastic justification of slavery, persecution, torture and genocide."
Adams saw in the Christian right, long before we did, disturbing similarities with the German Christian Church and the Nazi Party, similarities that he said would, in the event of prolonged social instability or a national crisis, see American fascists rise under the guise of religion to dismantle the open society. He despaired of U.S. liberals, who, he said, as in Nazi Germany, mouthed silly platitudes about dialogue and inclusiveness that made them ineffectual and impotent. Liberals, he said, did not understand the power and allure of evil or the cold reality of how the world worked. The current hand-wringing by Democrats, with many asking how they can reach out to a movement whose leaders brand them "demonic" and "satanic," would not have surprised Adams. Like Bonhoeffer, he did not believe that those who would fight effectively in coming times of turmoil, a fight that for him was an integral part of the biblical message, would come from the church or the liberal, secular elite.
His critique of the prominent research universities, along with the media, was no less withering. These institutions, self-absorbed, compromised by their close relationship with government and corporations, given enough of the pie to be complacent, were unwilling to deal with the fundamental moral questions and inequities of the age. They had no stomach for a battle that might cost them their prestige and comfort. He told me, I suspect half in jest, that if the Nazis took over America "60 percent of the Harvard faculty would begin their lectures with the Nazi salute." But this too was not an abstraction. He had watched academics at the University of Heidelberg, including the philosopher Martin Heidegger, raise their arms stiffly to students before class.
Two decades later, even in the face of the growing reach of the Christian right, his prediction seems apocalyptic. And yet the powerbrokers in the Christian right have moved from the fringes of society to the floor of the House of Representatives and the Senate. Forty-five senators and 186 members of the House before the last elections earned approval ratings of 80 to100 percent from the three most influential Christian right advocacy groups -- the Christian Coalition, Eagle Forum, and Family Resource Council. President Bush has handed hundreds of millions of dollars in federal aid to these groups and dismantled federal programs in science, reproductive rights and AIDS research to pay homage to the pseudo-science and quackery of the Christian right.
Bush will, I suspect, turn out to be no more than a weak transition figure, our version of Otto von Bismarck -- who also used "values" to energize his base at the end of the 19th century and launched "Kulturkampf," the word from which we get culture wars, against Catholics and Jews. Bismarck's attacks, which split Germany and made the discrediting of whole segments of the society an acceptable part of the civil discourse, paved the way for the Nazis' more virulent racism and repression.
The radical Christian right, calling for a "Christian state" -- where whole segments of American society, from gays and lesbians to liberals to immigrants to artists to intellectuals, will have no legitimacy and be reduced, at best, to second-class citizens -- awaits a crisis, an economic meltdown, another catastrophic terrorist strike or a series of environmental disasters. A period of instability will permit them to push through their radical agenda, one that will be sold to a frightened American public as a return to security and law and order, as well as moral purity and prosperity. This movement -- the most dangerous mass movement in American history -- will not be blunted until the growing social and economic inequities that blight this nation are addressed, until tens of millions of Americans, now locked in hermetic systems of indoctrination through Christian television and radio, as well as Christian schools, are reincorporated into American society and given a future, one with hope, adequate wages, job security and generous federal and state assistance.
The unchecked rape of America, which continues with the blessing of both political parties, heralds not only the empowerment of this American oligarchy but the eventual death of the democratic state and birth of American fascism.
Chris Hedges is the former Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times and the author of "War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning."
The Rise of Christian Fascism and Its Threat to American Democracy
By Chris Hedges, Truthdig
Posted on February 8, 2007, Printed on February 10, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/47679/
Dr. James Luther Adams, my ethics professor at Harvard Divinity School, told his students that when we were his age -- he was then close to 80 -- we would all be fighting the "Christian fascists."
The warning, given 25 years ago, came at the moment Pat Robertson and other radio and television evangelists began speaking about a new political religion that would direct its efforts toward taking control of all institutions, including mainstream denominations and the government. Its stated goal was to use the United States to create a global Christian empire. This call for fundamentalists and evangelicals to take political power was a radical and ominous mutation of traditional Christianity. It was hard, at the time, to take such fantastic rhetoric seriously, especially given the buffoonish quality of those who expounded it. But Adams warned us against the blindness caused by intellectual snobbery. The Nazis, he said, were not going to return with swastikas and brown shirts. Their ideological inheritors had found a mask for fascism in the pages of the Bible.
He was not a man to use the word fascist lightly. He had been in Germany in 1935 and 1936 and worked with the underground anti-Nazi church, known as the Confessing Church, led by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Adams was eventually detained and interrogated by the Gestapo, who suggested he might want to consider returning to the United States. It was a suggestion he followed. He left on a night train with framed portraits of Adolf Hitler placed over the contents of his suitcases to hide the rolls of home-movie film he had taken of the so-called German Christian Church, which was pro-Nazi, and the few individuals who defied the Nazis, including the theologians Karl Barth and Albert Schweitzer. The ruse worked when the border police lifted the tops of the suitcases, saw the portraits of the Führer and closed them up again. I watched hours of the grainy black-and-white films as he narrated in his apartment in Cambridge.
Adams understood that totalitarian movements are built out of deep personal and economic despair. He warned that the flight of manufacturing jobs, the impoverishment of the American working class, the physical obliteration of communities in the vast, soulless exurbs and decaying Rust Belt, were swiftly deforming our society. The current assault on the middle class, which now lives in a world in which anything that can be put on software can be outsourced, would have terrified him. The stories that many in this movement told me over the past two years as I worked on "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America" were stories of this failure -- personal, communal and often economic. This despair, Adams said, would empower dangerous dreamers -- those who today bombard the airwaves with an idealistic and religious utopianism that promises, through violent apocalyptic purification, to eradicate the old, sinful world that has failed many Americans.
These Christian utopians promise to replace this internal and external emptiness with a mythical world where time stops and all problems are solved. The mounting despair rippling across the United States, one I witnessed repeatedly as I traveled the country, remains unaddressed by the Democratic Party, which has abandoned the working class, like its Republican counterpart, for massive corporate funding.
The Christian right has lured tens of millions of Americans, who rightly feel abandoned and betrayed by the political system, from the reality-based world to one of magic -- to fantastic visions of angels and miracles, to a childlike belief that God has a plan for them and Jesus will guide and protect them. This mythological worldview, one that has no use for science or dispassionate, honest intellectual inquiry, one that promises that the loss of jobs and health insurance does not matter, as long as you are right with Jesus, offers a lying world of consistency that addresses the emotional yearnings of desperate followers at the expense of reality. It creates a world where facts become interchangeable with opinions, where lies become true -- the very essence of the totalitarian state. It includes a dark license to kill, to obliterate all those who do not conform to this vision, from Muslims in the Middle East to those at home who refuse to submit to the movement. And it conveniently empowers a rapacious oligarchy whose god is maximum profit at the expense of citizens.
We now live in a nation where the top 1 percent control more wealth than the bottom 90 percent combined, where we have legalized torture and can lock up citizens without trial. Arthur Schlesinger, in "The Cycles of American History," wrote that "the great religious ages were notable for their indifference to human rights in the contemporary sense -- not only for their acquiescence in poverty, inequality and oppression, but for their enthusiastic justification of slavery, persecution, torture and genocide."
Adams saw in the Christian right, long before we did, disturbing similarities with the German Christian Church and the Nazi Party, similarities that he said would, in the event of prolonged social instability or a national crisis, see American fascists rise under the guise of religion to dismantle the open society. He despaired of U.S. liberals, who, he said, as in Nazi Germany, mouthed silly platitudes about dialogue and inclusiveness that made them ineffectual and impotent. Liberals, he said, did not understand the power and allure of evil or the cold reality of how the world worked. The current hand-wringing by Democrats, with many asking how they can reach out to a movement whose leaders brand them "demonic" and "satanic," would not have surprised Adams. Like Bonhoeffer, he did not believe that those who would fight effectively in coming times of turmoil, a fight that for him was an integral part of the biblical message, would come from the church or the liberal, secular elite.
His critique of the prominent research universities, along with the media, was no less withering. These institutions, self-absorbed, compromised by their close relationship with government and corporations, given enough of the pie to be complacent, were unwilling to deal with the fundamental moral questions and inequities of the age. They had no stomach for a battle that might cost them their prestige and comfort. He told me, I suspect half in jest, that if the Nazis took over America "60 percent of the Harvard faculty would begin their lectures with the Nazi salute." But this too was not an abstraction. He had watched academics at the University of Heidelberg, including the philosopher Martin Heidegger, raise their arms stiffly to students before class.
Two decades later, even in the face of the growing reach of the Christian right, his prediction seems apocalyptic. And yet the powerbrokers in the Christian right have moved from the fringes of society to the floor of the House of Representatives and the Senate. Forty-five senators and 186 members of the House before the last elections earned approval ratings of 80 to100 percent from the three most influential Christian right advocacy groups -- the Christian Coalition, Eagle Forum, and Family Resource Council. President Bush has handed hundreds of millions of dollars in federal aid to these groups and dismantled federal programs in science, reproductive rights and AIDS research to pay homage to the pseudo-science and quackery of the Christian right.
Bush will, I suspect, turn out to be no more than a weak transition figure, our version of Otto von Bismarck -- who also used "values" to energize his base at the end of the 19th century and launched "Kulturkampf," the word from which we get culture wars, against Catholics and Jews. Bismarck's attacks, which split Germany and made the discrediting of whole segments of the society an acceptable part of the civil discourse, paved the way for the Nazis' more virulent racism and repression.
The radical Christian right, calling for a "Christian state" -- where whole segments of American society, from gays and lesbians to liberals to immigrants to artists to intellectuals, will have no legitimacy and be reduced, at best, to second-class citizens -- awaits a crisis, an economic meltdown, another catastrophic terrorist strike or a series of environmental disasters. A period of instability will permit them to push through their radical agenda, one that will be sold to a frightened American public as a return to security and law and order, as well as moral purity and prosperity. This movement -- the most dangerous mass movement in American history -- will not be blunted until the growing social and economic inequities that blight this nation are addressed, until tens of millions of Americans, now locked in hermetic systems of indoctrination through Christian television and radio, as well as Christian schools, are reincorporated into American society and given a future, one with hope, adequate wages, job security and generous federal and state assistance.
The unchecked rape of America, which continues with the blessing of both political parties, heralds not only the empowerment of this American oligarchy but the eventual death of the democratic state and birth of American fascism.
Chris Hedges is the former Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times and the author of "War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning."
MitchPee
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Fascism-a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
That definitely sounds like the American government to me.
That definitely sounds like the American government to me.
srwinnsuco
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finally someone who understands that we should not be bikkering about some buildings that fell but instead the greater threat to our freedoms by the christain right, the neoconservatives and the zionists and isreali lobby and also the world banking system...
Capt.Flannel
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I may or may not be making this up (correct me if I'm wrong) but after every big bombing/terrorist act, many groups claim it was them. Such as after 9/11 (I was a freshman in HS, so I kind of payed attention), didn't multiple groups claim responsibility for it? I vaguely remember hearing that Osama would be held accountable because his claim was the most credible.
Am I far off?
Am I far off?
Capt.Flannel
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It'll turn into another JFK thing; people will bitch about whether it's true or not until records are released in 25 years. THEN, people will take that new evidence that still doesn't PROVE anything, and bitch some more.
Capt.Flannel
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Really? I swear that I remember multiple groups claiming 9/11. It's common among other terrorist attacks, how is it that I'm supposedly so far off this?
Its fun to believe in conspiracy theories, isnt it? But come on, you may think you're all great detectives and that the government secretly orchestrates mass murder upon its citizens... but be serious, please. This is taking it too far.
I agree with, even applaud, people who go against the crowd and ask the questions that need to be asked (like why the towers structurally werent able to withstand the planes, where lots of gold/money went during the attack that is now 'lost', ect). This event does need to be fully investigated, and I'm sure that on that day, at least someone saw an opprotunity to use the situation to their advantage. Someone probably was able to transfer their company money to a private account before the records were all lost and the evidence destroyed.
But thats petty crime compared to what these crazy conspiracy theorists are claiming. Mass murder exacted by our government? Our administration is incapable of handling anything, let alone planning and acting our a scheme and keeping it all secret. Its a nice idea, and yeah, makes for great fiction, but thats all it will ever be.
I agree with, even applaud, people who go against the crowd and ask the questions that need to be asked (like why the towers structurally werent able to withstand the planes, where lots of gold/money went during the attack that is now 'lost', ect). This event does need to be fully investigated, and I'm sure that on that day, at least someone saw an opprotunity to use the situation to their advantage. Someone probably was able to transfer their company money to a private account before the records were all lost and the evidence destroyed.
But thats petty crime compared to what these crazy conspiracy theorists are claiming. Mass murder exacted by our government? Our administration is incapable of handling anything, let alone planning and acting our a scheme and keeping it all secret. Its a nice idea, and yeah, makes for great fiction, but thats all it will ever be.
srwinnsuco
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well ok lets worry about 3,000 lives, but that also means we should worry about the 650,000+ iraqi lives that have been lost so far
SharfSchutze
Member
Wow... Foilers are on every message board I guess...
There is nothing conclusive that proves it was a conspiracy. For instance, just the sheer amount of people who would have to keep quiet over the past five and a half years. That would never happen , especially when there are leaks about everything. Deep throat anyone?
There is nothing conclusive that proves it was a conspiracy. For instance, just the sheer amount of people who would have to keep quiet over the past five and a half years. That would never happen , especially when there are leaks about everything. Deep throat anyone?
srwinnsuco
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yea i'm trying to infer that society needs a huge change from the course we are on right now.
ThaLetterM.
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america like...sucks and junk.
SharfSchutze
Member
Like that was so articulate and you know like junk.
jimmychung
Active member
yeah they do, that would be great.
and i cannot believe you brought this shit back. i'm so fucking sick of all of this shit. none of this crap has any credibility. i'm not going to waste my time and debunk all the "controversy" right now, just use the search bar and look for where this shit has been owned in the past.
how is this new? it makes all of the same shaky points that have no substantial evidence, nothing be speculation and bullshit. you realize this is what terrorists are shooting for? causing us to question our government and such? way to fuel the fire, fuckers.
and i cannot believe you brought this shit back. i'm so fucking sick of all of this shit. none of this crap has any credibility. i'm not going to waste my time and debunk all the "controversy" right now, just use the search bar and look for where this shit has been owned in the past.
how is this new? it makes all of the same shaky points that have no substantial evidence, nothing be speculation and bullshit. you realize this is what terrorists are shooting for? causing us to question our government and such? way to fuel the fire, fuckers.
skier_boy26
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It's interesting you should say that, which nicely highlights some flaws in that line of thinking (it usually goes hand-in-hand with hatred to the administration and the belief of the government role in 9/11).
You're basing that 655,000 figure on that epidemiology survey from last year, right? That study was based on something around 1,800 households being surveyed (in Iraq) and is unlike any other survey regarding the death toll in Iraq. It is far, far higher than anything else published (from any group, private, British, U.N, etc.). Furthermore, many of those people are being killed by fellow Iraqis; Sunni killing Shiite or visa versa. It's insane how much information you take in and spit right back out.
You're basing that 655,000 figure on that epidemiology survey from last year, right? That study was based on something around 1,800 households being surveyed (in Iraq) and is unlike any other survey regarding the death toll in Iraq. It is far, far higher than anything else published (from any group, private, British, U.N, etc.). Furthermore, many of those people are being killed by fellow Iraqis; Sunni killing Shiite or visa versa. It's insane how much information you take in and spit right back out.
almostaskier
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you're a horrible person.
you dare say that you are living in a police state when you live in the effing USA? do you know what a police state IS?
How come you aren't in prison being tortured for your opinion right now?
What about actually being in danger of being executed or locked away forever for your opinion in China? Know about Nazi Germany? What about what the Taliban inflicted on Afghanistan?
you damned self centered piece of crap, get over yourself.
you dare say that you are living in a police state when you live in the effing USA? do you know what a police state IS?
How come you aren't in prison being tortured for your opinion right now?
What about actually being in danger of being executed or locked away forever for your opinion in China? Know about Nazi Germany? What about what the Taliban inflicted on Afghanistan?
you damned self centered piece of crap, get over yourself.
srwinnsuco
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it doesnt matter if it is sunnis killing shiites, they wouldnt be killing each other if we were not there. thats my point my man. and yeah that survey even if it is not 100% correct does have a lot of truth to it. Any way you look at it to many people are dying for shitty reasons and it needs to change so suck my balls.
ThaLetterM.
Active member
yeah and like..i was like, totally mimiking the average person who states their totally untrue opinions...and junk
SharfSchutze
Member
Are you looking at the same Afghanistan war that I am?
suji.fnacks
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this is 2007 now, happend in 2001, people cant keep there mouth shut anymore. You dont think any info would be let out already? Come on now, whoever believes in the conspiracy theory are just listening to what they hear and believe it, if i sang a song about me being god its the same thing. Look at your fucking sources, its all personal opinions. show me some creditable sources on the conspiracy theory, not some online video from youtube
srwinnsuco
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maybe the towers were taken down with thermite instead of a controlled demolition. I'm sure thermite could melt through steel beams fast enough to make the towers collapse how they did. maybe that could explain the molten metal at the bases of the towers....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7231843493488769585&q=thermite&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7231843493488769585&q=thermite&hl=en
suji.fnacks
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no some little faggots are going to believe that story, how about the extreme heat explains the motlen metal asshole
srwinnsuco
Active member
yea extreme heat from a thermite reaction
asshole
asshole
charmander
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this whole video is a load of shit ok get over it.
thats like saying charmander went and torched the place
ur a dumbass
thats like saying charmander went and torched the place
ur a dumbass
suji.fnacks
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or from a 110 story building catching on fire, maybe that
Capt.Flannel
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ya? What other explanation is there? Terrorists? phhh
almostaskier
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or an EFFING PLANE FULL OF KEROSENE MIXED WITH OFFICES FULL OF HIGHLY COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS?
seriously, it's not like the planes hit and the towers immediately collapsed... the planes hit, they smoldered and burned, then fell.
Did everyone plan it so that the floors immediately below had the thermite? those dudes flying the planes landed right above the thermite charges? how skillfull of them!
seriously, it's not like the planes hit and the towers immediately collapsed... the planes hit, they smoldered and burned, then fell.
Did everyone plan it so that the floors immediately below had the thermite? those dudes flying the planes landed right above the thermite charges? how skillfull of them!
Capt.Flannel
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I agree with you. Note this for the history books.
Mezmerize19
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okay im 42 minutes into and it convinced me there where bombs. NOW its not telling me who put it there
SilkyJohnson
Member
Sorry to bring this back but i can end it
In order to kill that many people you have to have courage, conviction, and be able to complete a task, three things the US government doesn't have
In order to kill that many people you have to have courage, conviction, and be able to complete a task, three things the US government doesn't have
suji.fnacks
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make a strong arguement then so we can flame it
NickMartini
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This video is sooo dumb. They say like "No other biulding has fallen like that from fire, how could the towers fall?"
then like 2 minutes later they say "The towers were uniquly biult differently than any other biuldings"
Yeah...... fucking dumb asses
then they say "All these biulding burned for like 4 days and didnt fall, how could the twin towers burn for like 90 minutes and fall"
How about the fact that a fucking plane ran into them? and completely fucked up the stuctural design + all the heat
then like 2 minutes later they say "The towers were uniquly biult differently than any other biuldings"
Yeah...... fucking dumb asses
then they say "All these biulding burned for like 4 days and didnt fall, how could the twin towers burn for like 90 minutes and fall"
How about the fact that a fucking plane ran into them? and completely fucked up the stuctural design + all the heat