The K2 debacle is a big fucking deal.

[saskskier]

Yes, and I was shedding light on the situation. BUT, from the link you provided it says at the start.

"Back in 1995 he built the first twin tip skis out of his parent’s garage, launching LINE as the first of the modern day startup freeski companies & paving the way for dozens of other startups to follow."

No they weren't the first twin tip skis. Nor were they skis.. they were snowblades, and they probably (I don't know - should I research it?) weren't the first snowblades either. Also, coming up with twintips then wouldn't have been to hard, given all the twintip snowboards that were around.

From my assessment, JLev would be called a Fast Follower. Although, I think Sep 2013 is pretty late to start a custom ski shop, there were a bunch around when I was looking. I just asked him what his ideas were to make skiing great again if he were to become the head of this conglomerate... I never intended or wanted to start a thesis like he did. until he averted my question and people started poking at me. Is he a great skier? That'd give him more street cred in my book.. but starting companies and building them up within an industry is definitely a high achievement.

Whether he was the first or not does not have any bearing on the influence he and Line have had on the industry.

Guys like Tanner Hall and Eric Pollard weren't the first freestyle skiers, but they have been some of the most influential in shaping the direction our sport has gone.

JLev is like that, but from business side of things.

 

[JLev]

Yes, and I was shedding light on the situation.

I started making twin tip skis before you were born. You can call them snowblades or skiboards or dual tipped snowboards for each foot like others did at that time that didn't understand where I was going with it. I was actually simply building a ski with an equal height tip on both ends that weren't like all the 207cm standard race skis of the time that everyone else was making and skiing on. I never claimed to invent anything, just pushed skiing as hard as I could in a different direction. This is the 8 min version of my past 18 years doing this

[VIDEO]https://youtu.be/dr5KHJa-BCs[/VIDEO]

 

[Zimmy]

I started making twin tip skis before you were born.

I'm older than you think. Interesting vid though, no mention of other key brands.

But I can see how much of a nightmare it would've been having all those competitors crop up out of nowhere (although it does prove the market) and then having to pull yourself out of debt so often via investors.

Often the best marketing is having a competition people can watch and then having heroes to impress upon others and for them to also copy. (Burton realized this) But personally, I dislike competition and heroes.

But hey, if you want to try my skis you are welcome. I used 125cm skiboards in 2012 and found they were too backseat for my liking, although I did like how nimble they were. The problem with short skis is they lack power when carving and stability on landing. I think my skis solve the former and I have an idea to solve the latter.

 

[loganimlach]

I'm older than you think. Interesting vid though, no mention of other key brands.

But I can see how much of a nightmare it would've been having all those competitors crop up out of nowhere (although it does prove the market) and then having to pull yourself out of debt so often via investors.

Often the best marketing is having a competition people can watch and then having heroes to impress upon others and for them to also copy. (Burton realized this) But personally, I dislike competition and heroes.

But hey, if you want to try my skis you are welcome. I used 125cm skiboards in 2012 and found they were too backseat for my liking, although I did like how nimble they were. The problem with short skis is they lack power when carving and stability on landing. I think my skis solve the former and I have an idea to solve the latter.

My reaction to every single time you post.

[video]https://youtu.be/ZpmIBJ_MKas[/video]

 

[freeskibum82]

You wanna be a rockstar? Grow JSkis to something enormous. Now is your chance with the hole in the market. You sold out of Line and FT years ago, now you want them back?

If he is able to get them at a fraction of what he sold his stake for, its a steal.

its not a bad idea. think of all the NS fanboys that would like FT even more if it were owned by Jskis..

Line could be his large company to mass produce skis for big shops and he could still do jskis as his solo project.

 

[K-Dot.]

I used 125cm skiboards in 2012 and found they were too backseat for my liking, although I did like how nimble they were. The problem with short skis is they lack power when carving and stability on landing. I think my skis solve the former and I have an idea to solve the latter.

Your skis look sketchy as fuck. The video of some dude skiing park on them makes them look about as stable as ski blades on gaper day. And that's just on piste, skiing those things on actual big mountain terrain would be like riding a tricycle down the redbull rampage course.

The problem with short skis is that they aren't suitable for anything more than learning how to ski on.

 

[Zimmy]

The video of some dude skiing park on them makes them look about as stable as ski blades on gaper day. And that's just on piste, skiing those things on actual big mountain terrain would be like riding a tricycle down the redbull rampage course.

The skis can't land properly because they are full rocker. They need to be flattened for that. Anyway, the skis float superbly on pow and do really nice S curves, they are just slow. But I want CT to try them. He shoots down like a comet. But no where does it say you have to ski fast on pow. You can go half the speed and do double the jumps (*into a soft landing*) and have a much better feeling overall, with less danger. I can't see that happening, and I can't see JLev heading this conglomerate. It's all gonna turn to shit.

 

[loganimlach]

The skis can't land properly because they are full rocker. They need to be flattened for that. Anyway, the skis float superbly on pow and do really nice S curves, they are just slow. But I want CT to try them. He shoots down like a comet. But no where does it say you have to ski fast on pow. You can go half the speed and do double the jumps (*into a soft landing*) and have a much better feeling overall, with less danger. I can't see that happening, and I can't see JLev heading this conglomerate. It's all gonna turn to shit.

[video]https://youtu.be/ZpmIBJ_MKas[/video]

 

[skierman]

Heart Carve strikes again

 

[.[sanhedrin].]

[video]https://youtu.be/ZpmIBJ_MKas[/video]

Please do this every time!

 

[spreadeagler]

The skis can't land properly.

 

[hemlockjibber8]

Heart Carve strikes again

nice

 

[Zimmy]

Sep 28: Armada picks up $7MIL loan.... “We are pleased to provide a flexible asset based facility to Armada that helps them through their seasonal needs and the revenue growth that they anticipate. We are excited to be their lender as the brand continues to grow.”

Coincidence, or do they know something others don't? Other brands ready to ramp up production too?

 

[sneek]

How are you going to fix the weather and make people more resilient to being injured? I think you just want a cushy corporate job, but I might be wrong.. care to lay out your ideas and reasoning on what you know that other people don't?

hahahahahaha go fuck yourself.

 

[Zimmy]

hahahahahaha go fuck yourself.

The biggest problem with making skis is inhaling all the resin fumes. No joke. Glad I don't do it.

Please start a detox asap.

 

[razors-chaz]

Sep 28: Armada picks up $7MIL loan.... “We are pleased to provide a flexible asset based facility to Armada that helps them through their seasonal needs and the revenue growth that they anticipate. We are excited to be their lender as the brand continues to grow.”

Coincidence, or do they know something others don't? Other brands ready to ramp up production too?

[video]https://youtu.be/ZpmIBJ_MKas[/video]

 

[razors-chaz]

Sep 28: Armada picks up $7MIL loan.... “We are pleased to provide a flexible asset based facility to Armada that helps them through their seasonal needs and the revenue growth that they anticipate. We are excited to be their lender as the brand continues to grow.”

Coincidence, or do they know something others don't? Other brands ready to ramp up production too?

[video]https://youtu.be/ZpmIBJ_MKas[/video]

 

[Zimmy]

[video]https://youtu.be/ZpmIBJ_MKas[/video]

Not really, imagine a whole bunch of firms now cranked up ski production, only to result in an oversupply of skis (and then Newell actually sold k2+line.. and the big snowfalls never came.) Wow!!!

 

[jakeordie]

Sep 28: Armada picks up $7MIL loan

Would be sweet if they're gonna use this to buy Dalbello.

 

[loganimlach]

Not really, imagine a whole bunch of firms now cranked up ski production, only to result in an oversupply of skis (and then Newell actually sold k2+line.. and the big snowfalls never came.) Wow!!!

[video]https://youtu.be/ZpmIBJ_MKas[/video]

 

[sneek]

Please start a detox asap.

lmao I build skis and use fume rated respirators whenever I lay up, even though the resin fumes are technically non-toxic. You are a major tosser and you're bringing fires to this thread that really doesn't need it.

 

[Zimmy]

lmao I build skis and use fume rated respirators whenever I lay up, even though the resin fumes are technically non-toxic. You are a major tosser and you're bringing fires to this thread that really doesn't need it.

For a reply see your first comment in this thread to me.

 

[sneek]

lmao I build skis and use fume rated respirators whenever I lay up, even though the resin fumes are technically non-toxic. You are a major tosser and you're bringing fires to this thread that really doesn't need it.

For a reply see your first comment in this thread to me.

People like you are the reason skiers have a negative connotation in so many people's minds.

 

[Zimmy]

People like you are the reason skiers have a negative connotation in so many people's minds.

Like Rozboon and KneeDrop before him, someone who is in most need of heartcarving, but is ironically the most resistant.

 

[loganimlach]

Like Rozboon and KneeDrop before him, someone who is in most need of heartcarving, but is ironically the most resistant.

 

[nellyyy]

HeartCarve, you make me feel young and alive

 

[Jesse_]

I'm still pretty new to newschoolers but wtf is with this heartcarve guy?! Like what?

 

[haggis_hunter]

I wish Rubber Maid had bought Hart Carve... If any ski company needs shutting down by some ruthless private equity types....

 

[Zimmy]

I wish Rubber Maid had bought Hart Carve... If any ski company needs shutting down by some ruthless private equity types....

I hope some Dare to Heartcarve 16/17 submissions come in before these companies shutdown. It'd hopefully make these Newell execs think twice about what they're going to be missing out on by shutting these companies down and all the fresh growth potential as a new breath of life is injected back into skiing and slope-tramming. I also hope they submit vids themselves.

What are they gonna do when Rozboon and Tdollo have about-faces on how wrong they were about it all.

If you try to emulate your modern ski hero, you won't get a fraction of the love back that you've given out. Then translating that into hate is just silly.

16/17 will be huge.

 

[pghjibber]

Interesting... now K2 is gonna license their name for outerwear to some random unconnected brand after pissing away countless thousands of dollars on in-house R&D and making bold claims they were gonna launch on their own like 2 SIA ago
https://sgbonline.com/k2-outerwear-launching-fallwinter-2017/

 

[razors-chaz]

I hope some Dare to Heartcarve 16/17 submissions come in before these companies shutdown. It'd hopefully make these Newell execs think twice about what they're going to be missing out on by shutting these companies down and all the fresh growth potential as a new breath of life is injected back into skiing and slope-tramming. I also hope they submit vids themselves.

What are they gonna do when Rozboon and Tdollo have about-faces on how wrong they were about it all.

If you try to emulate your modern ski hero, you won't get a fraction of the love back that you've given out. Then translating that into hate is just silly.

16/17 will be huge.

 

[pghjibber]

good update from outside mag for those who care
http://www.outsideonline.com/2135721/k2-chopping-block-and-could-spell-trouble-other-snow-brands

sad state of affairs - whether its skiing or action sports in general, being under control of a publicly traded company doesn't work in our space

 

[skiznuts]

The only problem is how many fucking companies k2 owns and how they's be affected

 

[KneeDrop]

Like Rozboon and KneeDrop before him, someone who is in most need of heartcarving, but is ironically the most resistant.

Fuck yes. I couldn't be happier that I made such an impression. I talked to you, in what, like 3 threads around a year ago? guess I really touch on an insecurity eh?

Your shit sucks, you suck, if you didn't have videos I'd be certain you're just trolling.(I'm still unsure)

 

[Zimmy]

The only problem is how many fucking companies k2 owns and how they's be affected

[img=]http://freepubtrivia.com/media/2012/12/K2.jpg[/img]

Wanna name your company after one of the most difficult to climb and most lethal mountains in the world? Too bad for them, and those who sold out to them.

 

[Zimmy]

Fuck yes. I couldn't be happier that I made such an impression. I talked to you, in what, like 3 threads around a year ago? guess I really touch on an insecurity eh?

Your shit sucks, you suck, if you didn't have videos I'd be certain you're just trolling.(I'm still unsure)

The only nerve you have touched was with that avatar.

[img=]http://images.newschoolers.com/images/17/00/40/59/79/405979_50w_50h_zc.png[/img]

Do you actually ski with a paddle and broad-rimmed hat?

[img=]http://www.mountbakerexperience.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Screen-Shot-2014-02-06-at-7.57.03-PM.png[/img]

If only K2 latched onto this years ago.

 

[wrichmond]

good update from outside mag for those who care
http://www.outsideonline.com/2135721/k2-chopping-block-and-could-spell-trouble-other-snow-brands

sad state of affairs - whether its skiing or action sports in general, being under control of a publicly traded company doesn't work in our space

Thanks for keeping the updates coming

 

[wrichmond]

Also, Seth is rocking some new skis. DPS?
https://twitter.com/sethmorrison1/status/807751194471006208

 

[KneeDrop]

The only nerve you have touched was with that avatar.

Do you actually ski with a paddle and broad-rimmed hat?

1) it's called a lurk, it's no paddle, and yes I have used one.

2) it's called a cowboy hat, and yes I wear one all summer long

3) I have yet to combine them, but I will. And you can bet your ass when I do I'll ski circles around you.

4) I am the best skier on the mountain. Any mountain.

 

[Zimmy]

I am the best skier on the mountain. Any mountain.

That's bulls### and u know it. But feel free to enter D2C 16/17 and show the world how great you are. Cough. Cough.

But to really make that comp/exhibit/zoo work, it requires prizes, and for that I am asking K2 (in particular those fine Newell execs) to provide me with a shipping crate or two of all their soon-to-be deadstock, which I can dish out over the next few years to winners and participants of D2C.

K2-RIP.. Long Live Heartcarve!!

How ironic that one of the best things Newell can do for skiing and snowboarding is to shut down K2 and all its subsidiaries.. that is if my idea is viable.. which I believe it to be.

 

[Hugh_Conway_jr]

1) it's called a lurk, it's no paddle, and yes I have used one.

2) it's called a cowboy hat, and yes I wear one all summer long

3) I have yet to combine them, but I will. And you can bet your ass when I do I'll ski circles around you.

4) I am the best "skier" on the mountain. Any mountain.

Telemark isn't really skiing... I am sure you are great at it ... whatever it is .. but,

Its like a Stand Up Paddle boarder referring to themselves as a surfer.

 

[Hugh_Conway_jr]

1) it's called a lurk, it's no paddle, and yes I have used one.

2) it's called a cowboy hat, and yes I wear one all summer long

3) I have yet to combine them, but I will. And you can bet your ass when I do I'll ski circles around you.

4) I am the best "skier" on the mountain. Any mountain.

Telemark isn't really skiing... I am sure you are great at it ... whatever it is .. but,

Its like a Stand Up Paddle boarder referring to themselves as a surfer.

 

[Hugh_Conway_jr]

1) it's called a lurk, it's no paddle, and yes I have used one.

2) it's called a cowboy hat, and yes I wear one all summer long

3) I have yet to combine them, but I will. And you can bet your ass when I do I'll ski circles around you.

4) I am the best "skier" on the mountain. Any mountain.

Telemark isn't really skiing... I am sure you are great at it ... whatever it is .. but,

Its like a Stand Up Paddle boarder referring to themselves as a surfer.

 

[Hugh_Conway_jr]

1) it's called a lurk, it's no paddle, and yes I have used one.

2) it's called a cowboy hat, and yes I wear one all summer long

3) I have yet to combine them, but I will. And you can bet your ass when I do I'll ski circles around you.

4) I am the best "skier" on the mountain. Any mountain.

Telemark isn't really skiing... I am sure you are great at it ... whatever it is .. but,

Its like a Stand Up Paddle boarder referring to themselves as a surfer.

 

[C_dub]

update?

 

[tomatonater]

Telemark isn't really skiing

Idk dude. There's a dude at my hill that can destroy the park on a pair of tele's

 

[KneeDrop]

Telemark isn't really skiing... I am sure you are great at it ... whatever it is .. but,

Its like a Stand Up Paddle boarder referring to themselves as a surfer.

How did I not see this? Went fishin for a kook and caught a quadruple-conway.

Let's say, hypothetically, I am objectively better than you at sliding down snowy hills with skis on my feet. What would you call it?

If I'm not really a skier, it must be extra painful when I'm better at it. You might wanna #stopskiing

 

[Hugh_Conway_jr]

How did I not see this? Went fishin for a kook and caught a quadruple-conway.

Let's say, hypothetically, I am objectively better than you at sliding down snowy hills with skis on my feet. What would you call it?

If I'm not really a skier, it must be extra painful when I'm better at it. You might wanna #stopskiing

I am sure that you are awesome. and hands down a way better telemark skier than I am ...besides, I am hack at everything I do, so you can put you cock away and stop bumping your chest brah.

If you were a world class unicyclist, it would not make you a better than Mountain biker than me.... just saying.

apples, oranges.

Free the heel bro.

 

[KneeDrop]

If you were a world class unicyclist, it would not make you a better than Mountain biker than me.... just saying.

And in this, you are correct. Because one wheel does not equal a bicycle.

Skis=skis, however

 

[Zimmy]

Went fishin for a kook

Telemarking is like K2.. but as is in Canoes. And they are both on their last legs. And Heartcarving is like Newell in that respect.

[img=]http://kayakadvisors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Intex-Explorer-K2-Kayak-reviews.jpg[/img]

It's not if, but when. People will eventually see through that jackass attitude.

[img=]http://tapouillo.free.fr/telemark/600/Image11.jpg[/img]

I predict a small remnant will remain, but mainly for narcissist who just want to be different for the sake of being different and then want to be worshipped for it.