THE ELECTION!

“they are filled with hatred, the hatred you experience when a stranger enters your country, blows things up and does everything in a way completely different from yours. Trust me, they are alll ready to die just to see the US suffer (in any possible way)�

Don’t get me wrong, but wasn’t there ill-will towards the US before Bush.

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^^And lineskier10 is right on.

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it sure as hell wasn't as bad as it is now...and yeah tehre was some 'ill-will' but guess who started it....ehm Bush...again, they don't like the name hahah

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and there would be absolutely no ill will if the Big Brother wouldn't try to fix everything like a fuckin elephant, trampling something much more important then this years crops...national pride

EUROPE KICKS ASS
 
yeah vote for Kerry so Europe will like us thats a great idea. Do we control America or do pussies like those French bastards and Spanish who instead of striking back at terrorism they cower and vote for that pussy they have for a leader. Europe is no friend of ours. Tony Blair is. And I say this being from England. When was the last time America needed Europe?

and more, much more than this, I did it my way
 
^europe is a sick but we should not care if Europe 'likes' us or not

and more, much more than this, I did it my way
 
“it sure as hell wasn't as bad as it is now...and yeah tehre was some 'ill-will' but guess who started it....ehm Bush...again�

uh, 911 dude. That was not completely his fault. Other pervious presidencies were also at fault.

“and there would be absolutely no ill will if the Big Brother wouldn't try to fix everything like a fuckin elephant, trampling something much more important then this years crops...national pride�

Oh I see, the US should have done nothing after 911 then? Just roll over and take it like a pussy huh? Thats great “national pride�.

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I'm talking about the pride of the eastern folks...they gotta feel like shit having US troops bombing them every 10 years. I can't solve your shit now, it's pretty bad, I'm saying that the start was wrong and it is only getting worse.

I honestly didn't know what to do after 911, but if anyone thinks that 'war on terrorism' can be won, they are wrong.

It's thinking that by making underage drinking illegal it will disappear...yeah right

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“I'm talking about the pride of the eastern folks...they gotta feel like shit having US troops bombing them every 10 years. I can't solve your shit now, it's pretty bad, I'm saying that the start was wrong and it is only getting worse.�

Historically, nations in the Middle East have done a pretty good job fighting amongst each other. The US is not the “prue evil� force upsetting the blissful balance. If you think that than you are an idiot. We go into the Middle East because we have some sort of intrust in the region.

“I honestly didn't know what to do after 911, but if anyone thinks that 'war on terrorism' can be won, they are wrong.

It's thinking that by making underage drinking illegal it will disappear...yeah right�

That is one of the worst caparisons I have ever heard. Here is a better one. What if someone came into your house and smashed your TV with a baseball bat. Would you just let him off? Would you just say “oh well, it happens�? I don’t know about you, but I would make that person pay for the damage.

From what I can tell from you profile, your temporary address is Whiteface, New York. If you think our country is so completely fucked, go the hell back to Slovakia. Wouldn’t you want to jump of this “sinking ship�?

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hahah...I am planning to go back to Slovakia for sure. First I will make some money here though.

If the person who smashed my TV did so becasue I killed his son or daughter I would understand it.

I never said there was ny peaceful balance in the middle east. that is the point...they do not need it and they are pissed that some big ass super power feels that everyone should eat at McDonald's and go to church...you don't get it, you're country has never been attacked by someone bigger.

they hate you and they will never forget it anyway.

I don't hate the US people, I hate the way the top politicians lead this country and I also hate the way they take away your freedoms...one by one...soon you're going to have cameras in your livingroom just like Winston in 1984

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dude I'm tired, I guess you're gone too now. still gotta do my calc, got class...we'll finish this later, alright?

btw...really it's pretty much irreversible now, but you have to understand why the people do those things to the US, not what they do. Again, I am not saying it's wrong for the US to strike back, BUT it was wrong to fuck with them way back. Either should've erased them all, or not touch anything

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Yeah man, it is late. I think I’ll call it a night. But I have a few things I want to say first.

Big ass super power feels that everyone should eat at McDonald's and go to church? Now you are just generalizing people. The government does not control corporate America, and religion is not a driving motive of the US government.

They will hate us and never forget it? Hey, if their governments can help control threats to our country, I’m willing to make friends. Unfortunately the countries in the Middle East that we have attacked have not done a good job at that.

You also hate the way our government takes away our freedoms? It’s like 1984? Did you know that the place under the most camera surveillance in the world is central London? Isn’t the UK part of Europe?

Why people in the Middle East hate us? Extremist groups are reasonable. They create the generalization that the US as a group of heartless and ruthless people. Unfortunately many of these extremist groups hold power in the region. They thus have influence over the people. It’s easy to put a face on a problem like lack of freedom and prosperity. They blame it on a nation that has many freedoms and is very prosperous. The extremist groups create and train fanatics to attack our nation. Thus, ani-American terrorism is born. They attack, and we respond. We try to dismantle the extremists. Many of that native people see that an attack directly against all of the people in that nation. It goes even deeper than this. It’s a complicated problem to fix.

Either should've erased them all, or not touch anything? I honestly don’t like that approach. I try to look for a long term solution that benefits the greater good of everyone.

Thats all for tonight, good game buddy.

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Bleh, Typo. Lol, I AM tired.

reasonable

*responsible

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I am just sick of everyone finding a reason that we need to blame OURSELVES for everything that goes wrong. For example: 9/11 happened because of multiple presidencies. WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THAT? It wasnt any presidents fault that 9/11 happened. It was because of pure evil/madness at work and osama bin laden and they found one of our vulnerabilities. I think that we need to hold other people more responsible for their problems instead of always thinking that America is always the problem.

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no, your government approaches issues as though America has NEVER HAD PROBLEMS.

this will be a long term solution, becasue this war of yours will fuckin last a loong time.

And whatever you may think..the extremist groups would not give a shit about 'many freedosm' and the prosperity you have here.

Bush fought to secure the gulf and the steady flow of oil. They fight, becasue of Allah. They are crazy about their religion and the arrogant ways of the 'nation that will lead the world' (Bush's state to the union address 2003 I think)piss 'em off much more than the fact that 16olds have cars here.

Cameras or not, can you make money without paying 10 kinds of taxes? Can you decide what you want to drink or smoke? Can you decide who you want for President (that electoral college system is ridiculous)? If you feel free then try joking about a gun when at an airport. Or just drive down towards NYC and count the cops on the way ( I stopped at 5 within 4 exits and I was scared) Can you 'the people' actually change anything, or just trust the government that they are doing everything for your good. NO they aren't and they will not. You think you could become a president? Haha...if your dad owns an oil company...maybe.

And how the hell did Bush manage to get in Yale and actually graduate? What was his GPA? like 1.5?

that's the stupidest argument...they attack us because we are free and prosperous...yeah, if they watched MTV and THOUGHT like you (or we) guys do, maybe they'd be jealous. But they think in a totally different way. Dood they pray at least 5 times a day and even in battle they take their shoes off. That's the extreme part, not the fact that they blow things up.

The gevernment IS CHRISTIAN here. Check out the 'crusade' against gays, taht Mr. Bush started. The federals are cutting government funds in the states that allow civil unions or even gay marriages. Same with pot for medical use. Same with Sexual Education vs. Abstinence. Porn on public TV? hahaha good joke (we have that back home, but I don't like it, I like to do it heh)

nudity in media? CODE RED! and why? because some whacko is gonna sue everyone becasue he was 'shocked and traumatized' by what? a BOOB? what did the fucker suck on when he was little? what's wrong with boobs on TV? I don't wanna pay 9.89 for PPV channels.

It's a lot of crap and it is in the details, but a lot of details can make a difference.

having a bottle of beer in the car a being arrested for 'posession with the intent to consume' that is not normal and that is not the 'land of the free' either..

ok I got class to go to...alter yeall

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all you people that are voting for kerry because you think it was stupid to send troops to iraq. you must have missed the part that kerry said hes going to try to get them out of iraq in the next 4 years.

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Sid_Vicious >>> How old are you. 'When was the last time America ever needed Europe' ... That is SO stupid...

America NEEDS Europe, ALL the time. Just as well as Europe NEEDS America. We are allies, we are colleagues, partners and friends. We trade! TRADE! WORK TOGETHER. T-O-G-E-T-H-E-R. Thats wy we (Europe, US (And Japan for that sake)) are so rich and prosper!!! Do you realize how much of your paycheck can be traced back to income from national-exports?! If it weren't for the rest of the world, you WOULDN'T have 2 cars pr. family, be able to buy that kickass Sony flatscreen or go to Europe and learn about culture for that sake.

You've really got to look at things from a broader perspective. (And in my oppinion, so does at LOT of Bush-voting Americans). The world is not ABOUT the US. Sure - this election is YOURS. Which is probably the main reason only US Citizens can vote..., but the effect of your choice doesn't only concern you. You have a responsability towards yourself, as well as the rest of the world.

If you decide to accept the fact that you are the most powerful country in the world, you should also assume your responsability and chose a leader who is CAPABLE of interacting with the world outside the US, without creating a mess like it is now the case.

I think the keyword here is 'openminded'. Let's try to work together and vote Bush out. We all know he's there only thanks to his father and the administration... Click here - This is your president

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I am still waiting for anyone to make an argument for Kerry that isnt 'because he isnt bush'. Do you realize how stupid that is? Whats to say that Kerry would do any better job than bush. That stupid comment about a fork in the road and you know one is going to end in a crash, that is stupid too. What you are failing to realize is that President Bush has had the hardest time to be a president since the second world war. I mean think about it. When was the last time that a president had to respond to a direct attack on American soil? I personally am glad that we have a president that has the balls to do something about it and not just trying to sweet talk about it (read 'reach a diplomatic solution). Terrorists are never going to be reasoned with. The only way they work is through strength and I for one am glad that we bombed the shit out of em. They deserved it. As for Iraq, you are forgetting that we spent over 8 years to try and reach a diplomatic end to the stuff going on there. It was Saddams choice whether the Coalition went in or not. Dont you remember all the requests the UN made to Iraq to just come in and see what was going on only to be DENIED every time? What were we to try to think when he was doing that? The last time I checked, anyone that trys to hide something means it probably isnt good. Bush had to make a judgement call and especially when he saw thousands of americans die a year earlier, he made the move to protect america. I respect him for that. He knew going into it that it wasnt going to be the most popular thing to do, but he felt it was the right thing to do. ITS CALLED HAVING VALUES. That is why I think that he is the best, not only for our country, but for the world as well. Kerry does not have the deep convictions that are necessary once a tough call needs to be made. There are many times where the right thing to do isnt necessarily the most popular thing. Kerry will always do what he think will be the thing to protect his popularity when the rubber meets the road. That is why he is working so hard to focus on his Vietnam record. He wants to overshadow his voting record so that people wont see that he totally lacks any substance or beliefs. America is starting to find this out and that is why the President is gaining a huge advantage in the race and Kerry is self destructing.

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I am casting my vote for myself, my family, and my fellow Americans. Sorry, but I do not put Europe higher then my family and my country. When it comes down to it in regards to Europe, You need us more then we need you. I realize that we are the last great superpower, but I am not going to jeopardize that in order to appease European relations. Do you think in terms of what America thinks when you elect your key official, whatever that may be, I don't think so, so it is mutual.

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^watch out on that on. America really wouldnt be where it is without our european allies.

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BigJ, you just don't get it. If you're voting for your family and so on... The question about chosing Kerry or Bush becomes even MORE relevant. For your FAMILY'S and AMERICAS sake, you should consider relations to Europe. They ARE VERY important aspects of your everyday life.

ANd by the way. You said that the US is a superpower, that's is exactly why YOU should consider your choices in regard to other small countries, more than smaller countries should consider you. Your election simply has a bigger effect on the world market.

And to say that Europe need the US more than the US needs Europe is simply arrogant and narrowminded. Try reading my previous post one more time, all of it this time.

Just a small Economic Cost/Benifit calculation:

If we decide that both parties will do equally good on the domestic politics.

The known Benifit of chosing bush = approx: '0'. (To some though, it might seem a benifit to throw more money into national defence.)

The known benifit of chosing Kerry = '0'. (Although it is known that this possibly will raise the confidence from europe and increase demand for American products)

The known cost of chosing bush = Worse relations with europe. And most likely a fall in the US Dollar resulting in less money to the Americans.

The known cost of chosing Kerry = aprrox '0'., since he has assured the US that he wont put national security any lower than Bush.

Benifit(Bush) = Benifit(Kerry)

Cost(Bush) > Cost(Kerry)

Therefore Kerry is the wisest choice.

This should answer the question about why arguments are more AGAINST Bush than FOR Kerry. Even in lack of better candidates, Bush still comes out as the worst possible choice.

I have too much time...

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This one is for -=koLLac=-

“no, your government approaches issues as though America has NEVER HAD PROBLEMS.�

Interesting, elaborate.

“this will be a long term solution, becasue this war of yours will fuckin last a loong time.�

How many conflicts do you know of that were resolved overnight?

“Bush fought to secure the gulf and the steady flow of oil.�

There are more factors than starting this war over oil. Including terrorism and overthrowing a dictator. But of course oil was one of the driving motives of this war. If you disagree with that than you are being naive. We have an international intrust in the oil because there is NO substitute for this resource. I don’t know about you but I would rather not have the oil in the control of a ruthless dictator.

“And whatever you may think..the extremist groups would not give a shit about 'many freedosm' and the prosperity you have here. They fight, becasue of Allah. They are crazy about their religion and the arrogant ways of the 'nation that will lead the world' (Bush's state to the union address 2003 I think)piss 'em off...

...that's the stupidest argument...they attack us because we are free and prosperous...yeah, if they watched MTV and THOUGHT like you (or we) guys do, maybe they'd be jealous. But they think in a totally different way. Dood they pray at least 5 times a day and even in battle they take their shoes off. That's the extreme part, not the fact that they blow things up.�

They fight for Allah because they don’t know any better. Unlike the free would (US, Europe, etc.) common people of the Middle East don’t have the luxury of accessing information. Very few people have regular access to TV’s and computers, if at all. Everyone has one reason or another for attacking America. Most of them don’t know any better. As I said before the leaders have a great influence over the people. And the leaders generally DO have access to information, and are usually more educated than the common people.

“Can you make money without paying 10 kinds of taxes?�

Moron! That is your most ignorant comment yet. Everybody pays taxes. They keep the government financed, the keep the water running, they keep the power going, they maintain the roads...I could go on, but it would be to long.

“Can you decide what you want to drink or smoke?�

Sure you can. I can smoke and drink if I want to. Sure, the drinking age is older here, but I can still get a beer.

“If you feel free then try joking about a gun when at an airport.�

You obviously don’t travel very often. It’s not THAT bad.

“Or just drive down towards NYC and count the cops on the way ( I stopped at 5 within 4 exits and I was scared)�

Police are there to protect and serve. Their job is to keep people safe. Good one.

“Can you decide who you want for President (that electoral college system is ridiculous)?...

....Can you 'the people' actually change anything, or just trust the government that they are doing everything for your good. NO they aren't and they will not. You think you could become a president? Haha...if your dad owns an oil company...maybe.�

You clearly have very little understanding about how our governmental system works. I suggest you read up a little more.

“The gevernment IS CHRISTIAN here. Check out the 'crusade' against gays, taht Mr. Bush started. The federals are cutting government funds in the states that allow civil unions or even gay marriages. Same with pot for medical use. Same with Sexual Education vs. Abstinence. “Porn on public TV? hahaha good joke (we have that back home, but I don't like it, I like to do it heh) nudity in media? CODE RED! and why? because some whacko is gonna sue everyone becasue he was 'shocked and traumatized' by what? a BOOB? what did the fucker suck on when he was little? what's wrong with boobs on TV? I don't wanna pay 9.89 for PPV channels.

It's a lot of crap and it is in the details, but a lot of details can make a difference.

having a bottle of beer in the car a being arrested for 'posession with the intent to consume' that is not normal and that is not the 'land of the free' either..

ok I got class to go to...alter yeall�

You country is part of the Christian world too my friend. And we are better about pornography than you Europeans. I was in a gas station in Germany a year ago and I noticed the porn magazines were next to the coloring books on the rack. Also I was watching late night TV in Sweden, A porn film came on right after a Garfield cartoon. And I was in London a few years ago and they had pron on the BBC at 8 PM.. Your peoples causality towards sex makes me laugh. And stop trying to grasp at obscure things. Your arguments are getting weaker.

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This one is for Kotelet

“America NEEDS Europe, ALL the time. Just as well as Europe NEEDS America. We are allies, we are colleagues, partners and friends. We trade! TRADE! WORK TOGETHER. T-O-G-E-T-H-E-R.�

Actually, I for the most part agree with you on that one.

“You said that the US is a superpower, that's is exactly why YOU should consider your choices in regard to other small countries, more than smaller countries should consider you. Your election simply has a bigger effect on the world market.�

Stupid. We are a superpower because we have that kind of effect on the world. What other election in the would has this scope of magnitude? If is not that big of a deal, than why should you care? Why would you start this thread?

“The known cost of chosing bush = Worse relations with europe. And most likely a fall in the US Dollar resulting in less money to the Americans.�

You mean a worse relationship with France an their lap dogs. Did you know that one of the reasons that the dollar fell was because of your Euro currency?

I just love how you tried to make an electoral choice so simple. Because it is not. You only touched on two of many other issues that a president faces. Electing the president of a superpower is a tough choice, you obviously don’t understand that. Who’s not looking at a broader perspective? There is more to being US president than pleasing Europe.

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Its not about pleasing Europe. Its about not disturbing them and their markets. Like it's about not disturbing the middle east and disturbing any other country in the world. Bush has not been able to act on anything without causing uproar in many parts of the world. Previous presidents have strangely enough been quite good at this (Clinton I.E.)

I admit that my Cost/benifit calculation is not at all complete. But it was to show, that if you want to keep it simple, the facts are there. If people say they feel both candidates are just as good, the best thing would be to look at what candidate is the least bad, in this case that would be Kerry. To chose Bush is soo bad for international markets and relations that I simply can't see how he's going to make up for that on other levels.

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One more thing.

“watch out on that on. America really wouldnt be where it is without our european allies.�

That goes hand in hand. Europeans would all be Nazis if it weren’t for their American allies.

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Your fist paragraph goes back to some of the things I have said earlier. I value my nations security over the “balance� of other nations around the world. My nation has been threatend and attacked. I am not for sitting back and taking that kind of crap.

Bush may or may not be bad for the market. Clinton didn’t have to deal with 911 or the rise of the Euro. You can’t really make a justifiable comparison of the two.

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This argument is just ridiculous. Who the hell cares? One candidate has the IQ of a monkey, and the other is a pseudo-vet who had his wrinkles puffed out. Niether candidate seems intelligent to me. I must say,I don't trust an in-articulate monkey nor do I trust someone who cares to have his wrinkles removed. Therefore... as a liberal, I must vote this year based on my loyalty to the democratic party.

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i didnt read all of them, but i just want to point out that if the rest of the world doesnt like a country; and that country does not do anything to improve its international standing it would crumble. Esspecially if the citizens didnt care what anyone else thought about them. The USA cant survive without international support, unless it takes over other countires. Just imagine what would happen if Canada were to cut off the water, electrical, wood products going to the USA. Parts of the USA would be in blackout, with not nearly enough water. While the USA is the most powerful country in the world, they really have to watch what they do, for this reason, though at least now after invading iraq the USA doesnt have to worry about the basis for western economy, oil.

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Quinny...I didn't even have the energy to finish reading your stupid post.

your arguments are like copied from Bush's speeches...

SO WHAT if there is porn next to coloring books.

DO I NEED A FUCKIN GOVERNMENT TO DECIDE WHAT IS GOOD FOR ME? HELL NO!

'they don't know better' AHAHAHAHAHA! they know and they, just like you, think that porn is bad. Becasue those are their basic values. They don't want internet and they don't want americans in their country CAN'T YOU GET IT? They were, as far as they think, better off with an islamic dictator, than with western troops.

screw you, I will not react to any of your posts anymore, because we will obviously never agree on this issue. You deal with your shit fighting all the countries in the world and we will enjoy our freedom where people are trusted to have enough brains to choose what they wanna watch.

And duh...I do travel a lot, if I'm in the US now, and will be in Europe at least 2 before September next year.

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and something bout the economics...

the dollar was much stronger in the first years of Euro, but with Bush's crusades sucking up a lot of money it has hit historical low...

and someone said that Bush had values....no, Bush wanted the war; and so did Saddam. but Saddam, being longer in the business knew that it would be kinda like Vietnam...and here you are, you have it. I'm happy that I got around the draft in Slovakia...they might actually decide to help you haha

EUROPE KICKS ASS
 
and cops protect everything from anything and everyone from anyone...one thing they do not care about are civil liberties.

I can picture it already...people will sail to the new world to experience freedom hahahahahaha!

EUROPE KICKS ASS
 
I understand that US European relations are important, but you seem to think that on the day after the election all tie will be cut. Now I am going to look out for me and my own, being that I have family in the military and I don't want to see some liberal ass rag coming in and putting troops on food stamps like Clinton did. I want to be safe working in my office building which has already been scouted by questionable Pakistanis with video cameras and expired visas. I want to know that my brother is going to be safe in DC, because an airplane was already flown into his office in the pentagon once. Son, these things are close to home for us, they are decisions that we have to live with everyday. My family could really use the money from tax cuts and we also want perfection from terrorism. No, I am not afraid of terrorism right now because the fact that I know the man at the helm means business, and he will protect us at all costs regardless of how many people bitch and scream about it. I don't want some pussyfooting liberal to be in office, making my family pay more taxes when he doesn't even have a stance on anything. I know Bush, and he knows what he is doing, and he is not going to fuck around or take any shit from some European nation or any other nation for that matter. Yes, we need the trade, but son, don't tell me this bullshit that the EU would be good and happy even if they lost us as a partner in trade. And that would not even happen in the first place, it is very naive to believe that a continent would cut off ties due to the president who isn't endangering them. And forgive me if i might seem selfish in putting America's best interests in front of Denmark's, but you are a sovereign nation too, get your own damn leader and worry about your own damn business. Don't tell me how to vote, you don't have to live with the decision that we make.

And yes, the EU needs us more then we need them, and don't even try to say otherwise. We both need each other but really, there is a reason that we are called a superpower, both economically and in every other fashion.

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you can please some of the people all of the time or all of the people some of the time.. but..

you can't please all the people all the time.

Eat. Sleep. Breathe. Ski.

 
there's a big difference between not taking any shit from anyone and ignoring the good of the country and the world to fulfill your personal agenda.

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BigJ >>> I respect the fact that you take a stand, and have somewhat valid arguments. I respect the fact that you want to fight for what you believe in. After all, to say that all people that vote for Bush are fucking idiots would be like saying I'm more intelligent than about 150 million people all together. Which is most certainly not the case.

But your attitude towards other nations... Your exaggerated American pride - saying you are a superpower-nation in all ways just makes me want to vomit. That must be one of the main reasons Americans are so hated in parts of the world. And fuck it if you don't give a damn what people think. It's still disgusting whether you like to accept it or not. If you want to talk about qualities: Start talking about morals and ethics, Kyoto deals, Co2 gas emmission, pollution, crime, drugs, environmental deals and nature-parks. How much a superpower are you then? What about culture? Do you know anything about any culture or any artist that isn't called Yogi Bera or Bruce Willis? Saying you are a superpower in all ways is like the worlds fattest man showing off. Or the High School Bully thinking that people really respect him because no one dares to stand up to him. Honestly, One thing is to be proud of who you are and where you live, another is to be arrogant and cynical. I never implied that Europe would cut of trade with the US because of some election; what Im saying is, that the US holds more than just a economic responsibility towards themselves and the world, they also hold a MORAL RESPONSIBILITY. A term that might be vague to you, even when it should be the keystone of any nation that calls itself 'The land of the free'.

Getting back to your point about Bush taking care of your interests, I suggest you take a look at Fahrenheit 9/11 (If you haven't already), even if you've heard it's liberal crap. It might just give a whole new perspective.

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Wow, you have gotten me all wrong, all I said that European relations was not my prime concern when electing a president in such a turbulent time. Personally, I am a fan of surrealism when it comes to art, I enjoy Dali a whole lot, I am also a fan of Van Gogh, Bosch, and Mattiste. I am in favor of more 'liberal' ideals when it comes to the environment and drugs, but the Kyoto protocol was totally unrealistic and would have done huge amounts of damage to our economy while giving a free ride to developing nations. And as for a superpower, I believe that you used those words before I did, and since you had already agreed that the US was indeed a superpower then I saw no argument. As for Fahrenheit 9/11 , I was there on opening night, yes I was drunk, but I was there regardless. Sorry, but I am not the ignorant Neanderthal redneck that you may think that I am. And if it helps, I have seen the anti-americanism first hand in Europe, you don't need to show it to me or tell me about it.

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'Soberity is not an option.'

Drivin that Train
 
hmmm I think that people dogging on the president because he isnt intelligent only proves the stupidity of the person saying it. Do you really think that you can run the USA, the most influential country in the world and have 'a 1.75 GPA' as was said earlier? If you really think that, you are retarded. Maybe he needs a little help on grammer, but he is smart, as is Kerry. You will never get to that kind of level just by being lucky. Both are intelligent so you cant decide your vote on that.

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Worrying is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but in the end, it doesnt get you anywhere. Write that down.
 
-=koLLac=-:

If you are to lazy to finish reading my posts, than please shut up. I take the time to read your words. I would think you would have the common courtesy to read mine. You are correct, I will never agree with you. That is because you are raving like a paranoid 13 year old. I decide for myself what is good for me, not my government or my president. They are leaders, not controllers. And what makes you trust you government any more than ours?

And about your “they don't want internet and they don't want Americans in their country�...that crap. We are not going to be there forever anyway. Show some foresight kid. And might I ask, have you ever been to a Middle Eastern county? Or a third world country? Because I have. Most people do want what western technology brings. It’s called progress in civilization, and many do want it. Basic values have little or nothing to do with advancement.

You say they were, as far as they think, better off with an Islamic dictator, than with western troops? HA! Does that make it right if the can do better but they don’t now it? We are trying to help those people. I guess you think Saddam wasn’t such a bud guy after all. I guess you the kind of person who doesn’t care if other people are oppressed.

You are blind to common sense.

Oh yeah, you still never said why or how I am a puppet of Bush.

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I can tie my shoes. My parents are very proud.
 
Hmmmmm. Quinny, I think way too much of this debate has been based on the War in Iraq and the War on Terrorism. Let's forget what Bush is doing to 'help' people in other nations and take a look at what he's done on the home front. First, let's start with poverty. For instance, we'll look at the Census Bureau's report, the one that was released early in hopes that the shock would wear off by the time the election rolled around.

1. Poverty levels among children are at their highest in ten years. An increase this past year from 12.1% to 12.5%. (Mind you, this has been the trend during Bush's Presidency.)

2. The poorest 20% of the population make less money than the year before.

3. Minorities are making less money.

4. Less people have health care insurance.

And hell, we'll look at the economy in general.

1. The dollar sucks on the world market.

2. Unemployment is high.

3. Gas prices suck. What's up with that?!?!?!?! Figured those prices would have dropped now that we essentially run Iraq.

I'm not saying that Kerry would without a doubt do better. But as a Democrat, I like to look at Clinton's campaign. He improved social welfare during his presidency. He was certainly a terrible husband, but I think personal and business lives should always be seperate.

Now, if you can come up with reasons that I should not hold Bush partially to blame for how terrribly the economy is doing. I'd like to hear them. But I don't want to hear things from Bush's campaign or any Kerry bashing. Just want to see if you care about the poor and hungry, the sick and dying.

Dave from the *NORTH EAST*
 
And hey Kollac, if you wanted more anti-Bush fodder, you got it. Although that wasn't my sole intention.

Dave from the *NORTH EAST*
 
yah its seeming endless if you dig, and find out what the media doesnt tell you

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'There will never be a new past'

'good now you understand, you all hate each other' - stewie
 
Gas prices are high, ha. Ask bigrich or kotet what they pay for a liter.

Politicaly Active Since 1992

'Soberity is not an option.'

Drivin that Train
 
Alright I couldn't read the 2nd page because I don't have time.

Bush didn't go awol. You can't go awol in the National Gaurd. Bush couldn't have even entered service in Vietnam. Gues what his dad's job was...Head of the CIA. Now, what would happen if ol W got in the hands of those communists dumbasses...They could use him. Bush wouldn't have been able to fight anyways, as for his service in the national gaurd, he simply did not have assignment to do.

Lighters and scissors on planes...?

Lighters won't do shit. If you've ever ben on an airplane, you'll notice the little sprinklers above your head. Nothing from a match will cause a fire bigger than what those things can handle(remember they don't allow gas or falmmable stuff)

scissors, I can see being banned from flights if fingernail clippers are. Besides that, it's not bush's job to handle it.

Facts about Kerry:

He was absent from 76% of senate intelligence meetings. He sure cares about his country, dosen't he?

 
no, bush skipped out of service, it's a fact. someone just came out last week or something saying they helped him out with the paperwork.

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Chappelle's Show Cult...BITCHES
 
Ahhh ever heard of metaphor? It was not meant literary when I said I never finished reading your posts, don't cry.

Well...if you have been to third world countries then you must've noticed that the gap between them and us is soooo big that the 'help' will not work out anyway. By that I mean that once the US troops withdraw from the middle east, another dictator will emerge and you guys can play the global officer again.

What makes me trust my government more than yours? That question is worded wrong, becasue I never said I trusted mine more than yours. I trust yours in that I know it will take away more liberties very soon. I know mine's too busy filling their pockets to care about the people. At least I feel free at home. Again...it's in the details, it's mostly enforcement of rules and laws. Here you have a rule for everything and, hell, they are all enforced. Wherever I got I bump into a sign what I can't do. You can;t even have, or go to a, party without getting busted. And if I decide to go for a walk at night I get stopped by a nosy cop?!

screw it man, you as a conservative have to see how your country is changing into a Nanny State and that is happening under a republican LMAO!

(umm and yes..I couldn't take it not to reply haha)

I'm not just being a little punk...I really feel this way

EUROPE KICKS ASS
 
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