Skiing is in a good place rn.

[JAHBRADOR]

I have been following snowboarding content pretty closely for the past few years. I am always blown away every fall by the amount of quality ’amateur’ movies that come out that really do a really good job.

I have been pretty let down by skiing content over the past few years, but this year I think has been especially good for high quality amateur content: Child labor, ski carnage, buldoz, suede, strictly, FSWL etc.

All of these have been way better than any of the regular MSP/TGR big boi movies and I think it’s really nice to see skiing becoming more stripped back and raw.

 

[BigmoneyMatt]

With street skiing coming to a golden age can we really call those amateur?

 

[Yung_Gnarley]

so true. love how easy it is for kids to make full films and how seriously they take the projects. frankly. the number of timeless free ski movies coming out is suddenly overwhelming

 

[JAHBRADOR]

With street skiing coming to a golden age can we really call those amateur?

I would say any movie that doesn’t make any money off of the movie itself is ‘amateur’. I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of the street riders aren’t getting paid, probably just on flow/gear deals.

**This post was edited on Dec 7th 2020 at 2:47:55pm

 

[eheath]

With street skiing coming to a golden age can we really call those amateur?

What makes right now the golden age of urban skiing?

 

[VT_scratch]

With street skiing coming to a golden age can we really call those amateur?

please elaborate on your thoughts of skiing "coming to a golden age"

 

[mikemac]

Carnage buldoz and strictly were so ill and prime examples of why I love this site, so many kids out there just chasing the feeling and sending so hard just for the passion of it.

I definitely respect the talented athletes and filmers in those big production houses but they’re starting to feel somewhat canned, like no matter how dope the videography and skiing there’s too much corporate marketing, product placement, and staged stuff. But I understand it’s a business and I definitely support those guys making a living skiing.

maybe that’s why I’ve always been more of a TC/Level1/4bi9/NS guy vs MSP/WME/TGR nothing really against their legacy I guess I’m just always rooting for the underdog.

it’s super cool to see a new crop of talented film crews coming up right now.

 

[MarkusFin]

For real man, I love to joke about the cliches "it's a lifestyle maaan", but filming is definitely a whole ass lifestyle, and I'm loving how much effort people are willing to put into something that gives them negative return economically. People are out here working fulltimejobs, spending thousands on cameragear, cars, skis, just to be able to create 15 minutes of ski-content.

I have so much respect for those that are able to craft full length movies, because I know that there is so much work and time behind it.

**This post was edited on Dec 7th 2020 at 5:08:34pm

**This post was edited on Dec 7th 2020 at 5:09:06pm

 

[mikemac]

For real man, I love to joke about the cliches "it's a lifestyle maaan", but filming is definitely a whole ass lifestyle, and I'm loving how much effort people are willing to put into something that gives them negative return economically. People are out here working fulltimejobs, spending thousands on cameragear, cars, skis, just to be able to create 15 minutes of ski-content.

I have so much respect for those that are able to craft full length movies, because I know that there is so much work and time behind it.

**This post was edited on Dec 7th 2020 at 5:08:34pm

**This post was edited on Dec 7th 2020 at 5:09:06pm

nailed it w “negative return economically” hahaha culture > profit

 

[BLandz]

That Ranch Revolution edit went hard. I think ig fucked everything up I don’t even follow a lot of my fav pros cuz they post nonstop basic clips. The game is oversaturated with content cuz of ig hopefully ppl realize its a waste sooner than later. Snowboarding is 10x worse tho. Ever watch TommieB?

 

[eheath]

nailed it w “negative return economically” hahaha culture > profit

IMO its about a balance of culture and profit, but the profit side is dwindling in skiing.

 

[JAHBRADOR]

IMO its about a balance of culture and profit, but the profit side is dwindling in skiing.

I agree that there should be a balance, however, I think that’s their is a certain passion and creativity that can be seen in theses videos. I could be wrong but I feel like a lot of these crews I mentioned may only be around for a few years and then they all go do something else/get real jobs or whatever.

I think that’s the beauty of all these crews is that none of it is forced and there is no pressure to ‘create content’. Whatever happens, happens, and these movies are a representation of that. All the crews I mentioned make me feel like I could be sitting right there with them at the spot. I love content that is relatable like that.

A perfect example would be the HG skis crew putting out two movies and then calling it quits. Eat the Guts will go down in history forever.

 

[silent_giraffe]

I was thinking of this exact thing yesterday haha. I was at copper on saturday and I just thought that the skiing community is alive and well despite corona. So many skiers out there hyping each other up and having a good time, lots of positive vibes. I've been out of the scene for a bit and it was good to see it thriving still

 

[207]

lol man skiing already peaked. I'll give it to you that in the last few years maybe we've seen some good crews and content but it's nowhere near 08-2014ish.

 

[twerkphone64]

There’ll always be someone doing something cool

lol man skiing already peaked. I'll give it to you that in the last few years maybe we've seen some good crews and content but it's nowhere near 08-2014ish.

 

[OCoffey]

lol man skiing already peaked. I'll give it to you that in the last few years maybe we've seen some good crews and content but it's nowhere near 08-2014ish.

Just the outfits already peaked

 

[BLandz]

lol man skiing already peaked. I'll give it to you that in the last few years maybe we've seen some good crews and content but it's nowhere near 08-2014ish.

Idk I agree that skiing peaked in the sense that it was probs more lit during that era than ever before but im almost certain that it will peak again harder than ever. Everything comes and goes in cycles and I predict that within the next ~4 years ish there will be a new golden age.

But what do I know im just a lizard man living in another lizard mans body, disguised as a transgender man.

 

[XC]

lol man skiing already peaked. I'll give it to you that in the last few years maybe we've seen some good crews and content but it's nowhere near 08-2014ish.

This is a tired, cynical, and reactionary opinion. There's always some dude, "iN tHE gOOd Ol DAys!"...

I am never at a loss for finding something new and creative. Riding snow continues to amaze me and those that make edits will too. Until I die. Always has and always will.

 

[Obie.]

What makes right now the golden age of urban skiing?

Park Benches

 

[rojo.grande]

Park Benches

forgot picnic tables

 

[4FRNT]

Couldn't agree more! So hyped to see the longer format (5-15 minute) movie/edit reemerging as popular media outlet. So much more valuable in my opinion than the clip of the day on social media. So rad to see SO much good long format content getting pumped through NS right now. Keep it up everyone!

 

[dan_c_ski]

It’s sick to see the mentality of so many up-and-comers being “fuck it, we can put out our own film/content and do it better” That’s what has made all of this year’s free films so rad imo. Skiers bringing their unique visions to life, instead of the homogenized TGR nonsense that we’ve seen a million times.

 

[BigPurpleSkiSuit]

What makes right now the golden age of urban skiing?

I'd agree with him. Real ski being in the X games, and we keep getting crazier and crazier parts; all kinds of street oriented ski films, young guns and oldheads alike.

 

[eheath]

I'd agree with him. Real ski being in the X games, and we keep getting crazier and crazier parts; all kinds of street oriented ski films, young guns and oldheads alike.

Real ski has been a thing for like 5 years now, that's not tied to 2020 at all. Id say we had crazier urban parts in the past, I dont think that necessarily defines a golden age, but I think I would consider the golden age of urban when the winch was introduced to skiers/snowboarders, that changed urban forever and made it possible to do insane shit, that was like 10 years ago.

 

[Mayrandpodcast]

Real ski has been a thing for like 5 years now, that's not tied to 2020 at all. Id say we had crazier urban parts in the past, I dont think that necessarily defines a golden age, but I think I would consider the golden age of urban when the winch was introduced to skiers/snowboarders, that changed urban forever and made it possible to do insane shit, that was like 10 years ago.

Yep totally agree, imo a golden age would be around 2012 when people were doing insane urban. Wild tricks, creative stuff, dangerous stuff. + at that point soo many productions were doing urban movie or at least segments. Poor boyz, level 1, stept, 4bi9, field, chaoz, PVS, ESK, PYP, Meatheads and so many others.

also there was actual hype. i mean stept's the eighty six trailer has 106k view just on vimeo, you don't see numbers anything close to that nowadays.

 

[SuspiciousFish]

Idk I agree that skiing peaked in the sense that it was probs more lit during that era than ever before but im almost certain that it will peak again harder than ever. Everything comes and goes in cycles and I predict that within the next ~4 years ish there will be a new golden age.

But what do I know im just a lizard man living in another lizard mans body, disguised as a transgender man.

I have been with skiing since the beginning of the whole New School movement and have to say this era actually has more stoke than even the "Golden Era". There was more money and hype back in the day but it was mostly at the top for Pros. There were some dope edits for sure on NS etc but for actual movies you really only had PBP, MSP etc. This caused a divide in skiing where unless you were a top tier Pro it was hard to get your name or content out there. Stept was probably the notable exception to this and I think they really carried the torch for the smaller crews we have now.

Now that the big production is dying down, we are seeing a lot more small crews take a center stage which is awesome. I think it motivates skiers to know they can get a crew and a cheap camera that can record at a quality that was reserved only for Tier 1 productions 10 years ago and put together a really good movie. That and all the smaller ski companies we have now putting out edits, its really been dope to see. Sure, you dont have the big insane Tanner vs Dumont showdowns with Target and Nike sponsorship but all that was so bonkers it was hard to relate to as a normal skier as opposed to the more real amateur movies out today.

 

[Young_patty]

I’d say we just came out of a golden age tbh. The content is all there but the caliber of skiing in it sure isn’t.

 

[Yung_Gnarley]

I’d say we just came out of a golden age tbh. The content is all there but the caliber of skiing in it sure isn’t.

maybe it's because Saga isn't cool enough for you

 

[eheath]

I’d say we just came out of a golden age tbh. The content is all there but the caliber of skiing in it sure isn’t.

What are you saying here? Like less high level content, more amateur caliber content? Or the overall caliber of skiing is lower?

 

[TRVP_ANGEL]

mfs be saying "skiing is in a good place" even tho gucciman7 hasnt dropped an edit in 2 years

[video]889867[/video]

**This post was edited on Dec 8th 2020 at 1:07:01pm

 

[JAHBRADOR]

mfs be saying "skiing is in a good place" even tho gucciman7 hasnt dropped an edit in 2 years

[video]889867[/video]

**This post was edited on Dec 8th 2020 at 1:07:01pm

Isn’t this just Carson Kerr?

 

[Young_patty]

What are you saying here? Like less high level content, more amateur caliber content? Or the overall caliber of skiing is lower?

Naw like way more amateur content/ content in general but I’d say the caliber of skiing in them isn’t as good.

I think the last golden age we came out of was like ~2012-2017, maybe we’re heading towards another rn but I think most of these new groups are still too new/ fresh to really say we’re in a golden age- maybe give it a couple years

 

[JAHBRADOR]

Naw like way more amateur content/ content in general but I’d say the caliber of skiing in them isn’t as good.

I think the last golden age we came out of was like ~2012-2017, maybe we’re heading towards another rn but I think most of these new groups are still too new/ fresh to really say we’re in a golden age- maybe give it a couple years

I would much rather watch your average joe whipping dub backies in pow and catching tip, than watch someone who is in the us ski team go into BCC and build a jump to do a dub 14 he has done 1000 times before.

idk, I guess you could say it’s all about THE VIBES.

 

[eheath]

Naw like way more amateur content/ content in general but I’d say the caliber of skiing in them isn’t as good.

I think the last golden age we came out of was like ~2012-2017, maybe we’re heading towards another rn but I think most of these new groups are still too new/ fresh to really say we’re in a golden age- maybe give it a couple years

Gotcha, I think the overall level of skiing is at a peak but I agree with you about content. It's mostly social medias fault, we had great distribution systems and content streams before social media, now its 5-10 second this and that.

 

[PG_EDA]

I have been following snowboarding content pretty closely for the past few years. I am always blown away every fall by the amount of quality ’amateur’ movies that come out that really do a really good job.

I have been pretty let down by skiing content over the past few years, but this year I think has been especially good for high quality amateur content: Child labor, ski carnage, buldoz, suede, strictly, FSWL etc.

All of these have been way better than any of the regular MSP/TGR big boi movies and I think it’s really nice to see skiing becoming more stripped back and raw.

I couldnt agree more! I had the pleasure of spending sometime with the Suede crew this winter, and I cant hype them enough! I mean Anton, Joel, Oliver, and Benjamin are all Level 1 Super Unknown Finalists, hell Oliver even took it home a couple of years back. The spend so much time out producing crazy quality content with a lot of skate influence. Not to mention Emil Larsson the producer has a silver from X-games Real Ski with Peyben. A lot of the guys on Suede are on flow deals and work all summer so they can stack shots. They really pour out their hearts at every spot.

 

[GrandThings]

I've watched the new Child Labor movie about 400 times. This is all I have to say.

 

[SuspiciousFish]

Gotcha, I think the overall level of skiing is at a peak but I agree with you about content. It's mostly social medias fault, we had great distribution systems and content streams before social media, now its 5-10 second this and that.

Speaking of which is the SLVSH SLAPP app still a thing? I remember back when they pushed that but I have not heard anything about it in a while.

 

[eheath]

Speaking of which is the SLVSH SLAPP app still a thing? I remember back when they pushed that but I have not heard anything about it in a while.

Pretty sure they shut it down last year, didn't want to pay to operate it anymore, never really took off for them.

 

[Young_patty]

I would much rather watch your average joe whipping dub backies in pow and catching tip, than watch someone who is in the us ski team go into BCC and build a jump to do a dub 14 he has done 1000 times before.

idk, I guess you could say it’s all about THE VIBES.

Eh, to each their own. At this point I’d rather see something I haven’t seen before in an edit than an ok skier with *good vibes*

 

[JAHBRADOR]

Eh, to each their own. At this point I’d rather see something I haven’t seen before in an edit than an ok skier with *good vibes*

I feel like seeing something truly original and you have never seen before is pretty rare, so with that mentality, you are likely to be disappointed with most things that you watch.

 

[Obie.]

also there was actual hype. i mean stept's the eighty six trailer has 106k view just on vimeo, you don't see numbers anything close to that nowadays.

Solid points. The release of Stept’s trailers were like an annual holiday for me.

 

[Young_patty]

I feel like seeing something truly original and you have never seen before is pretty rare, so with that mentality, you are likely to be disappointed with most things that you watch.

True that

 

[hi_vis360]

Real ski has been a thing for like 5 years now, that's not tied to 2020 at all. Id say we had crazier urban parts in the past, I dont think that necessarily defines a golden age, but I think I would consider the golden age of urban when the winch was introduced to skiers/snowboarders, that changed urban forever and made it possible to do insane shit, that was like 10 years ago.

While the winch has its time and place, I think it's been super over used in the past 10 years. Im honestly less and less impressed by XXL winch features in the street, sometimes it just kinda looks like a trick from a slopestyle comp but in a different setting. That's why we are seeing a lot of street skiers like Billy Wesson using the winch less and less, and people trying to make street skiing more accessible. The winch opened up possibilities but it also made street skiing less accessible, kinda like helicopters in the backcountry. I think the next 10 years of street skiing will be a lot more low key, DIY vibes, and a lot more people will do it cause they don't feel like they need to go do some crazy stept shit.

The future of skiing is fewer helicopters and fewer winches, more touring and natty speed. I'm stoked for it

 

[GrandThings]

While the winch has its time and place, I think it's been super over used in the past 10 years. Im honestly less and less impressed by XXL winch features in the street, sometimes it just kinda looks like a trick from a slopestyle comp but in a different setting. That's why we are seeing a lot of street skiers like Billy Wesson using the winch less and less, and people trying to make street skiing more accessible. The winch opened up possibilities but it also made street skiing less accessible, kinda like helicopters in the backcountry. I think the next 10 years of street skiing will be a lot more low key, DIY vibes, and a lot more people will do it cause they don't feel like they need to go do some crazy stept shit.

The future of skiing is fewer helicopters and fewer winches, more touring and natty speed. I'm stoked for it

Wait you couldn't relate to ABM's double-corks off trash can lids??? /s

 

[eheath]

While the winch has its time and place, I think it's been super over used in the past 10 years. Im honestly less and less impressed by XXL winch features in the street, sometimes it just kinda looks like a trick from a slopestyle comp but in a different setting. That's why we are seeing a lot of street skiers like Billy Wesson using the winch less and less, and people trying to make street skiing more accessible. The winch opened up possibilities but it also made street skiing less accessible, kinda like helicopters in the backcountry. I think the next 10 years of street skiing will be a lot more low key, DIY vibes, and a lot more people will do it cause they don't feel like they need to go do some crazy stept shit.

The future of skiing is fewer helicopters and fewer winches, more touring and natty speed. I'm stoked for it

I mean if you use a winch only to do huge features only then sure that's repetitive, but a winch can be used for slow, techy stuff too. Its 100x better than a bungie and easier to setup/transport than a drop in. Sure kids going out in the streets don't have a winch, but thats not what we're talking about, we're talking about urban skiing from a content perspective, where IMO the first few years of having nice winches was the golden era of urban skiing.

I think comparing a winch to a heli isn't really that accurate, winches aren't necessary for urban skiing, while the type of skiing you do heli skiing, a heli is basically necessary, you could hike/skin but you only see a few ppl actually doing that on huge mountains that you might use a heli to get to the summit.

Also, I think comparing professional level urban to what some random kids do in the streets with their friends is also not that accurate, I totally get what you're saying about making urban skiing "more relatable/accessible" but top tier urban skiers using winches doesn't discourage some kid from hitting urban, most kids watching these parts and wanting to ski urban will never step to something big enough to even warrant a winch. Now you're saying that less big features/features that require a winch would be more entertaining because its relatable? The level of relatable features in the streets isn't like the park, kids will step to anything in the park but anything relatable in the streets would not be impressive enough for a professional level segment/video.

 

[hi_vis360]

Wait you couldn't relate to ABM's double-corks off trash can lids??? /s

I actually liked ABMs real ski and I think that he has a really creative style, nobody does those weird grinds and grabs he does. Everybody tries to paint him as a classic slope jock, but he's always been passionate about street skiing if you've followed his career.

as far as dubs and trippples go, I think it's pretty wack if it's done with one of those god awful looking spread eagle safety grabs. I'm so tired of seeing skiers huck dubs and trips with a spread eagle safety. And yes, that includes Henrik. But like Henrik, I don't hold it against ABM for doing them, it's a problem bigger than any 1 skier.

 

[SuspiciousFish]

I actually liked ABMs real ski and I think that he has a really creative style, nobody does those weird grinds and grabs he does. Everybody tries to paint him as a classic slope jock, but he's always been passionate about street skiing if you've followed his career.

as far as dubs and trippples go, I think it's pretty wack if it's done with one of those god awful looking spread eagle safety grabs. I'm so tired of seeing skiers huck dubs and trips with a spread eagle safety. And yes, that includes Henrik. But like Henrik, I don't hold it against ABM for doing them, it's a problem bigger than any 1 skier.

Im going to chime in here on the Spead Eagle Safety. Please, lets put a stop to that one. They look stupid and I swear every edit had one with off axis backflip etc.

 

[hi_vis360]

anything relatable in the streets would not be impressive enough for a professional level segment/video.

I can vibe with most of what you're saying except for this. If this was true, then why have crews like the bunch that hit smaller, more relatable features become so popular? Or LTC, with their whole build something out of nothing vibe? Do you not consider the bunch/LTC professional level content?

 

[hi_vis360]

Im going to chime in here on the Spead Eagle Safety. Please, lets put a stop to that one. They look stupid and I swear every edit had one with off axis backflip etc.

I just want to see someone dub7 with a tweak mute

 

[eheath]

I can vibe with most of what you're saying except for this. If this was true, then why have crews like the bunch that hit smaller, more relatable features become so popular? Or LTC, with their whole build something out of nothing vibe? Do you not consider the bunch/LTC professional level content?

I think you're underselling the "smaller hits" the bunch and LTC are doing, like if you spend any time on this website you'd see tons of kids on here can't even spin out of a rail or do 360, even the "small hits" that are more relatable you say are still way above the level of most kids watching.

That being said, most people in both the bunch and LTC hit huge features/tech features/shit nobody would step to, but yes I do consider them professional, that doesn't mean you can't hit something smaller and more relatable, I just think saying someone doing a kfed on a 10 stair down rail is better content than LJ backflipping onto a concrete pillar is just inaccurate.

**This post was edited on Dec 8th 2020 at 5:44:13pm

 

[hi_vis360]

I think you're underselling the "smaller hits" the bunch and LTC are doing, like if you spend any time on this website you'd see tons of kids on here can't even spin out of a rail or do 360, even the "small hits" that are more relatable you say are still way above the level of most kids watching.

That being said, most people in both the bunch and LTC hit huge features/tech features/shit nobody would step to, but yes I do consider them professional, that doesn't mean you can't hit something smaller and more relatable, I just think saying someone doing a kfed on a 10 stair down rail is better content than LJ backflipping onto a concrete pillar is just inaccurate.

**This post was edited on Dec 8th 2020 at 5:44:13pm

I'm just kinda confused now lol, when I say "relatable" I'm pretty much mean smaller/less speed. Nothing to do with technicality or difficulty. I just think that seeing someone do a crazy trick on a picnic table is more relatable cause anyone can go try it. They might not be able to do it, but they could at least try, or work their way up to it. Whereas a giant winch trick is impossible for anybody without a winch.

Also I'm not saying one is "better content" than the other. I think they both have their place in skiing, but the crazy winch stuff has just been a little overdone in the past 10 years IMO. I think that for the past 5 ish years people have gravitated towards content that features smaller more tech-y maneuvers cause they can say "hey! there is a 10 stair down rail in my town, maybe I will try that!"

**This post was edited on Dec 8th 2020 at 6:46:14pm