Shit's getting intense in Israel

I live in a town that's like 40% Jewish and my FB stream is overflowing with IDF propaganda, I'd like to point out that the conflict is clearly two sided, Israel isn't a victim if anything they're the opposite. (1 Palestinian has died for every Israeli that has.)(1,000 children have died in Palestine in 10 years due to Israeli air strikes and missiles.) I just wish that they would stop their dumb conflict and quit killing innocents on both sides.

FUCK WAR
 
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The way I see it is the fact that Israel is a lone state surrounded by people who hate the Jewish peoples far more than the Nazi's did. The Israels have to be aggressive or else there will be repeat of the bloody period in the 1960--70's where they were faced with attack on many sides. It's a difficult conflict to understand and there aren't any excellent solutions to the problem.
 
Who's going to get involved? At worst Iran and other anti- Israel countries back Palestine, the U.S. backs Israel, Israel wins (again) and wipes out Iran's nuclear program with the U.S.'s help. What powerful country is going to back Iran etc. in that war? Russia? China? They'd lose to NATO unless nukes are used and they don't have anything to gain from backing Palestine.
 
so much fucking ignorance in this thread

also there is no way WW3 is going to be started because israel and palestine are fighting... what else is new? this has been going on for decades. no one in the middle east is powerful enough to start a world war, and it's not like israel is just gonna nuke some developed country. PERHAPS if russia or china get involved things could escalate, but right now that doesn't seem too likely. there will surely be internal conflict in the middle east, but don't expect any earth shattering wars that affect the western world in any way other than the potential backing of israel.
 
damn bro, hope you don't get called up for service, please do keep us updated on the situation, it's always interesting to hear it from someone who lives there !
 
Jihadis going apeshit and the oil supply becoming affected comes to mind, other than that not much except genocide which isn't all too likely.
 
Our military is by far the strongest and the best in the world. Even if we make extreme budget cuts. What good is spending more money going to accomplish? Don't listen to presidents that are for increasing military spending. There is BIG business in war and they are trying to deceive you man. The military industrial complex is taking advantage of you and everyone else who is a citizen of the United States of America. Don't be so ignorant. Listen to Eisenhower.
 
very true, oil is the biggie there for the western world. however, not ALL of the world's oil comes from the middle east around 40% though). also, you have to think that one of those countries would recognize the opportunity if other middle eastern countries weren't selling oil, and keep a supply going in order to charge more and make a much larger profit. oil is very interesting
 
my response made it sound like i don't think that would be a big deal, i didn't mean to give that impression. any impact on the middle eastern oil market would be huge for the rest of the world. though again, it's hard to see a country like qatar shutting down their industry..
 
20% of the oil we consume in the US comes from the middle east.

as the more developed country, i think israel has the responsibility to be the bigger man and not react to some of the provacations. No one thinks Israel actually want to honestly negotiate with Palestine...they are doing it to simply appease the rest of the world.

I have read some really interesting stuff on AlJazeera about this conflict lately. It seems palestine has done more "terrorist" type stuff, but Israel has put in place policies meant to hold down the palestinian people, and to not let them thrive.
 
Damn those Paki's are good actors, or this guy is the next jesus and just resurected.

2:12, he is on the verge of dying, 2:42, he is very much alive.

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I'm drunk, the "L" and "K" are very close together on a keyboard and I'm wrestling with bears, oh please forgive me for a silly mistake.
 
i straight up did not make that connection. my apologies haha, it's just that pakis is a recognized terms and shit so i was like wtf
 
there is no reason to believe that it is not. and in shock? Thats absurd. Of course people will fake shit on camera to make their side look better or the other side worse
 
could you see what was happening there? how is it absurd to postulate that he might have been near an explosion and been affected by it? sure he could be fine but have you ever had a rocket explode next to you?
 
whats more likely..a rocket exploded next to him and hes knocked out from the shock or that he and his jew hating buddies saw an oppotrunity to make the jews look bad and ran with it.

Have you had a rocket explode near you? Dont ask stupid questions. The most reasonable answer is usually the right answer. Use your brain
 
not to mention he had no damage to his khaki coat. I gotta assume a rocket blows next to you and youre gonna have some scars to show it.
 
i'm sorry, we seem to simply have two different viewpoints. do you seriously think he is thinking about anything other than surviving the fucking apocalypse that is going on behind him and that he has most likely been experiencing for the past week (and potentially past years)? your comment is extremely ignorant, and typical of someone who does not understand what the fuck is going on there. it isn't a publicity stunt, it's not about the news in the same way it is here in the US (if you're from the US). i used the word "postulate" for a reason. i dont know what happened, but i'm sure he didn't think "fuck the jews i'm gonna act dead so that the news crews will get another shot of someone being carried away." there have been hundreds of those shots. the film crews run around shooting shit they see, i just don't understand how you could possibly think that this dude and his "jew-hating buddies" would set up this stunt in the middle of a war zone and hope the camera turns their way.
 
i mean it's just real shit happening in real-time right there. i can't comprehend how you would think a random civilian would just decide to do that. you really think every single palestinian is a conniving piece of shit?
 
/you think every civilian is associated with hamas? why wasn't he out bombing then? a distinction needs to be drawn for many of you here
 
Yes, dont ask me for a source because i saw it a few days ago but it was on a reputable site bu t the Palestinians have been faking injuries when there are international news people around so as to make israel look horrible
 
inb4 "TLDR" but I gotta spill some insight here as most of you'd expect.

That part of the world is such a shitshow. It's been 60+ years of just downright total war. (okay, fine... it's been like 3000 years...)

Here's the thing as I see it.

First of all, Hamas is not exactly a terrorist organization. They are a militant political power party. There are members of Hamas that might be especially militant, but I think the definition of 'terrorist organization' is more along the lines of al qaeda or small groups with intent to inflict terror and chaos to bring down the establishment. Hamas is probably more a step above that of the ETA in Spain, or the PIRA in Ireland, where they actually have political control, and ambitions beyond that of just killing their rivals. In fact, a group like al Qaeda's main goal is more along the lines of causing chaos and terror, in order to PROMOTE the ascension of a group like Hamas, or the Taliban to power.

Now, on that note, Hamas is actually a Taliban-like organization, where they have goals to implement sharia law and nationalism amongst their supporters (Taliban is Pashtun, whereas Hamas is Palestinian) Hamas is also intrinsically different than the Taliban in that they are fundamentally Sunni oriented, and the Taliban is a more broad islamist movement, and far more strict on the sharia law bullshit.

It's kinda funny how Hamas works though... they totally spit in the face of the PLO and Fatah support (Yasser Arafat was Fatah/PLO), even though both sides share just about exactly the same fucking goal - which is anti-zionist, bring back the pre-mandate Palestine, and oust this whole 'Israel' thing... Hamas seems more keen to politically and militarily crush their Fatah opponents in order to press their military measures, and As much as they do have ideas on economical issues and support funding social programs like schools and whatnot, they are far more knee-jerk when things go down that even remotely freak them out... Every 'truce' hamas extends to Israel, Israel immediately rejects it because it knows that that's just a bunch of bullshit, and Hamas is far from likely to live up to their word.

They are no terrorist organization, but they are a political party of mega bastard-machines hellbent on instilling their power and influence on the region... and they are by no means willing to sit down and have a chat with Israel like that of Arafat, who, though he was still a bit of a bastard when it came to influencing a 'gung-ho' attitude amongst palestinians, he at least got some productive things done that made SOME peace, whereas Hamas has done nothing but cause bullshit, because they are fully intent on war and use of military power. That's actually probably why Arafat lasted so long, was never arrested by Israel or assassinated, because Israel would much rather have a guy like him in power of Palestinian affairs rather that batshit militant fuckers like Hamas.

As for how good they are at military shit? Lets just say this much. Most of their rockets are either home made- unguided shit that makes the explosion montage in that "October Sky" movie look motherfucking productive. - or monkey copied iranian/soviet designs that are about 3 degrees of separation away from the soviet ones that actually worked - in the 50's or 60's.. Their guidance is hilarious, and the safest place to be during a rocket barrage from hamas? Right smack on the fucking target where they are aimed, because they land anywhere but.

for the hundreds of rockets shot off, only 27 have landed in urban israeli areas, and 60 or so have landed in densely populated areas of gaza itself and have caused far more palestinian casualties than Israeli. If I were a Hamas military commander, i'd call an immediate cease fire - in self-defense of my own land...

The Germans probably had better rocket command... in world war ONE...

As for Israel, sure there's the whole bullshit argument of "who took who's country and land" but ultimately, it comes down to the fact that both sides have their idiots, and they've both thrown enough stones at each other that nobody can point the finger anymore as to who's at fault. They're both at fault. They both suck, and the biggest part of that suck, is that they are a black hole vortex of bullshit for the rest of the world, and the biggest powder keg waiting to light ablaze since Franz Ferdinand...

and just for good measure, lets just do a quick introduction on what the fuck this "Gaza" place is..

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http://www.vice.com/vice-news/crime-and-punishment-in-the-gaza-strip-part-1
 
but the source making the accusations is a pro israeli site, even this herald sun site says "Whether the "HonestReporting" website is actually just sprouting pro-Israeli propaganda itself is not clear."
 
Has anyone else heard the comparison between modern Middle East and post-Reformation, pre-Enlightenment Europe? Heard that one on friday from my history teacher, very interesting...
 
Thanks Dingosean for the insight, theres a ton of ignorant bullshit on this thread. Heres a video I saw posted on FB that I think can give some of the people from the anti-zionist point of view some information about what is really going on.

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yeah man, right...nazis gave tons of food to the jews while killing them..

not...

yeah, that's right, an israeli delivery of food and medicine just arrived to gaza a couple of hours ago
 
that video is bullshit, i stopped when he said no arab states recognize israel.

also for retards, my above post was trolling.

defending israel is already difficult enough but using the zionist narrative is straight reet, in that context its picking sides in a religious conflict which is an absolute no go. fuck palestine, fuck israel

 
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