Salomon's lost?is it really their lost??

pocket-rocket

pocket-rocket

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People think that The departure Of JP and JF to Armada is a big lost for Salomon, they're right,but those people also think that salomon are very sad about that.the biggest market of salomon is the race.Salomon found new athletes to remplace those jibber.....some RACERS. I personnaly think that the departure of JP and JF is a big lost for the sport, in the point of view of the research. Salomon has the budget to do research that company such as Armada doesnt, thats why they came with the teneighty, and then the pocket rocket, and the Pilot system, and the Space frame.

The sponsorship budget allowed to JP and JF as been redirected to the race,so the R&D does.

Their departure create a disinterest to the newschool by salomon, and i guess that we should show to Salomon that we like what did, and appreciate it, it is your job to find your own way to show them, but beleive me, the newschool market is quite small for salomon, they wouldnt care that much if everybody stop buying their twin, they;ll just make more gs, slalom super G and Downhill skis.

its our lost if we stop buying their twins,they might bring some technologies that line and armada can use after.

it was just some words that passed trough my head..take the part of it that you like...leave the rest..

thanks!

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i just got my next year skis..1080's stayed the same, except that a 151, blue, is coming out, so if you want to wait because they will be on sale, dont, they will stay the same price, cuz they are the sames skis next year...

anyways...

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You are one of two things....

You either work for Salomon and are trying to rebuild yourself or you are not a freeskier. If you do work for them....big mistake....no skier wants to buy a ski that doesnt support the sport and are only in it for the money...such as you say. And if you dont work for Salomon, you dont care about the sport too much yourself and dont believe in the progression of it. So, go put on a pair of Salomon GS skis and jump on a race course bud cause you dont fit in here!!

Big BIG loss for Salomon!!!

 
what more can salomon do? Make skis that absorb all the shock and save your legs?

My girlfriend told me to shove my skis up my ass
 
just because solomon lost two important riders doesn't mean that they are giving up on the sport. They (jf & jp) left because they wanted to (I think), not because solomon told them to find someone else to ski for. our sport isn't going to die because of this. In fact a new company has emerged with some kick ass riders. let it be.

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i think that Salomon definitely does not care as much as they should about their freestyle department. they could really rake it in (more than they do already) if they put some effort into showing appreciation to athletes. but, like pocket-rocket said, racing for Salomon is their primary interest. look at Salomon skis over in Europe...racing goes off over there, and nearly everyone skis Salomon. in my opinion, let Salomon do as they will, they're doing a good service to the racing aspect of skiing, and leave the freestyle to such companies as K2 and Armada...those companies know how to treat their athletes. look at K2, they've had Seth Morrison on board for quite awhile, and I dont see him leaving any time soon. as well, they've picked up skiers such as Pep, which really shows they care about the future of freestyle skiing. look at how K2 shows their support on the hill, sponsoring such camps as HIGH NORTH, which is run by Shane Szocs, a K2 athlete. to sum it up, some companies will do better in some departments than others. appreciate what Salomon HAS done, not what they havent. lets not forget who came out with the first twin tip ski. maybe it's time that Salomon passes on this legacy to another company....who knows.

 
No matter how much money a company has, it doesn't mean jack shit unless it is put in the right direction. It is assured that with armada the money will be put in the right direction and it has already been shown that salomon will not do so.

And what he meant was that the market for race skis is larger than for freeride skis, and he's absolutely right. It's bullshit, but it's right. Things WILL change.

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HEY PEOPLE!!!

salomon still has mike douglas, vinnie dorian, cr johnson, candide, sarah burke... those names are at the top of our sport in pushing this movment to the next level....

as told to me by a ski shop owner (and i bet he's right) salomon has sold more twins than any other ski manufacturer over the past few years, hands down. it is their loss to loose jf and jp, but they still have a newschool market and that is not going to dissappear. i want to see market figure to support the theory that salomon is investing more heavily in racing if this is what some believe. also, what kind of just market reseach could conclude that newschool isn't profitable? do you know how much we've exploded onto the scene in the past 5 years??? there are more skiers than boarders on the mountain now again, and more skiers in the parks too. I should also note that the development of parks and pipes has increased dramatically since the beginning of the newschool movement, beyond what snowboarding could have done. kids don't aspire to be racers anymore, they want to go big and go home with the hotties.......

 
Thanks detective for reading my post with a good view, instead of viewing it in the view of someone whos bitching...

just meant that if salomon is putting the budget of freestyle in race instead of getting new newschoolers...

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because they lose 2 doesnt mean that their products are going to suck or anything, who the hell cares, like someone just said they still have douglas, burke, dorian... the list goes on, they still have people riding for em. They will still be at the top of the market with snowboards, and skis, and everything else they can monopolize.

 
pocket-rocket is reliable and respectable, and no way in hell should he have to prove it to you by gettin a sales report. its tru, salomon has. when a newbie goes into a shop and asks for twins they send him/her right to the salomon 1080's, not to line or k2...(armada in the future).

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i don't believe that the $ used to sponser JP and JF has gone into racing. i don't see that at all. salomon has a strong newschool program... someone will have to prove it to me with figure before i believe it. sorry, i like proof (is that a bad thing?)

 
But who here cares? We're skiers and as long as companies old or new are developing new skis or improving old skis we'll be tryin' 'em out and talking amongst ourselves to get the best ones. As long as that's happening the manufacturers will be trying to suit our needs. If Salomon's suck we can check out Dynastar, Line, Elan, Armada, K2, Rossi, Head, etc.

There's too much at stake for Salomon not to keep developing new shit. And I hate fucking typing.

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lets face it, newschool doesnt really make up a large part of salomons market

but yeah i think that JP and JFs loss isnt gonna change the sport at all

 
haha a lot of you guys are a fucking joke. Your so caught up in your little world that you refuse to see that there's anything else. In case you didn't know (and no I'm not going to get you an 'annual report' to prove it) racing has a much much much much larger development than freeskiing in every company that is involved with racing. Example, Bode Miller. 3 million dollar contract over three years with rossignol...think there is one freeskier with a contract like that? sorry but no.

Thats just a tiny little fact we have to live with for now, it will change but for the moment it is a reality. Not because jp or jf left, but because thats how it's always been. THey may have those few skiers left and they may be the sickest skiers ever, but what is being said by those two extremely talented and important figure heads of our sport leaving the one company that they made literally millions of dollars for, is that salomon does not respect their athletes like they should. If you care about the sport and wish for it to progress, don't support the company that doesn't support the game. If we all buck up and don't take the shit, the shit will cease to exist. Success in numbers my friends.

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There are alot of old foggies out there who race. I think the average person would see us as crazy people and think that racing is alot more tamer. Some people are just chicken shit. Newschoolers has alot of market potential is adds can get out to the general public. The average person thinks moguls is as extreme as skiing gets.

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Reedy is right... we must remember that 95% of the general public still doesn't know that skiers can go backwards... and probably a good 80% of all skiers think it's crazy. Twin-tips are such a tiny, tiny part of the market it's incredible. Yet it has soooo much potential. Anyway, the way I've heard it, J.F. and J.P. left Salomon because the company wasn't giving as much attention to freestyle as it had been in recent years. The formation of Armada may be a loss to Salomon, but it is a huge gain for the freeskiing world.

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Reedy is right... we must remember that 95% of the general public still doesn't know that skiers can go backwards... and probably a good 80% of all skiers think it's crazy. Twin-tips are such a tiny, tiny part of the market it's incredible. Yet it has soooo much potential. Anyway, the way I've heard it, J.F. and J.P. left Salomon because the company wasn't giving as much attention to freestyle as it had been in recent years. The formation of Armada may be a loss to Salomon, but it is a huge gain for the freeskiing world.

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Salomon rules, they kill Line and Armada. Lets see they came out with the 1080, which is what kick started this whole sport, they came out with the Pocket Rocket, first fat twin, they had the first sponsered 'newschool' team and helped establish that. Oh, Oh my they are soo evil and bad, who gives two fucking shits if more money goes into race, they can put their own damn profits where they goddamn feel like. I couldn't care less if they put more money into race skis, and I couldn't care less if they continue to do so, they already make good twins, what the fuck else do you want. They also were the first company so put a shock absorbing sole in a boot for 'newschoolers'. Then Line came and jumped on the band wagon because ski boards died, and Armada, Armada hasn't even done anything yet except for put out a freaking website, but they are sooooooooo superior to Salomon, aren't they, because they put out a website, as of yet Armada hasn't done shit all for our sport, where as Salomon has basically built this whole fucking sport for you whiners.

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You my friend are a useless contribution. Anyone who has just read your mindless dribbling is now less intelligent. May you die a thousand deaths at the beacks of seagulls.

Armada listens to their athletes and will put the money they profit back into the athletes whom make their company great. Salomon will put their profits back into the pockets of the fat executives who ski maybe 4 times a year on carving skis...

So basically you can eat a dick up.

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im pretty sure jf and jp left because they felt armada could do more for the sport. (i think) it wasnt because salomon let them go, or because they would be making more money at armada, if it was then there probably in the wrong business anyway. they did it because they feel armada will listen to them and put a push on newschool again. it seems like we've been coasting for a while but not really pushing any farther. anyway im sure armada will make great skis because they will listen. but so does salomon and every other company. thats part of their athletes jobs. anyway to me it dosnt really matter. i like armada for the fact that they are trying to give the sport some momentum but for me i just ride what i like. first pair of twins it was the 1080, and the next pair will be the new 1080. not because of some stupid brand loyalty and im not gonna automatically just go and grab a pair of armadas im just gonna ride what feels good and what i can get for a good price.

 
Its been proven that most new innovations come from small or newish companies so it don't mean shit if salomon don't invest. Look at LINE the've created some new binding. Bring on the any new specialised twin companies. Anyway if the sport takes off the big companies like salomon will jump back on the band wagon just like they did with snowboarding.

 
Hey Reedy, You have to remember that all of what you have said has been happening for a long time already, and yet look at the way twins have developed. Racing is alot more popular but companies are still improving their free ski products. This should be obvious, look at last years compared to this years.

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Last time I checked, running a business was about making as much money as possible. Not about trying to please small bunch of skiers who like to ski backwards and jump. Of course when these skiers are older than they will be driving the market, but when you are out on the hill, ya see kids between 13-25 who are going to be buying the race skis, or carve skis when their older as you do newschoolers. Even in that age range 13-25, newschoolers are still a small percent. Ya, but anyway, I think what Armada is doing for the sport is good, of course, it's great, but that dont mean everything that Salomon has done so far to create this sport is garbage and should be forgotten. Who knows where 'newschool' would be if Salomon Japan had said no to Mike Douglas about the first 1080 ski, it certainly wouldn;t be where it is today.

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so because 'salomon created the sport' its ok for them to make tens of millions of dollars and for the athletes who TRULY created the sport to make tens of thousands? And then when their 'image' isn't what salomon wants to see, pay them less? Thats all fine and dandy right cuz that just business right?

yay for america!

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Yay for America? Or one peticular American's way of thinking? Don't forget that Salomon is a French company.

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Ya, you got a good point. But Salomon did give Candide a huge contract. Anyway, I dont even own Salomons, never have and probably never will, I'm just trying to say that they did help us alot at the start. Ya, I'm not against Armada. Line bug me though, they try to charge like $80 CAN. for a hoodie, and there skis are expensive as any others, but they claim they are helping us soo much. K2 is the smartest and are doing the most for us right now, not only are they paying a large, well rounded team, there putting out lots of quality twins, Enemy, Pistol, PE, AK Enemy, AK Launcher and their also keeping the prices reasonable, anyway, I forgot my what my point was.

 
There are so many sides to this arguement. Where to start. Ok, First of all, skiing IS changing. The newschool movement is a new direction for ski companies to expand, but that does not mean that they can forget about what got them there. Salomon is a wintersport company, with everything from snowboards to snowblades to clothing. Armada is a NEWSCHOOL company. Of course all of their money is going to be directed back into the newschool movement, where else would it go? As far as the racing side of it goes, I think Salomon is scared. I race, so i can tell you first hand that Salomon has basically lost the racing market in North America. The canadian team all but dropped Salomon, especially the mens side. Even on the world cup. There are still a lot of racers on Salomon that are doing well, but there are more people switching to other companies than are switching onto their product. Salomon should be scared that they are losing grip on an area of the market that they once dominated. As far as JP and JF, we don't know what went on in that board room when the decision was made for them to part with the company. Granted, Salomon does have a history of not treating the athletes that developed the company's image as well as they should, but it is big business. Shane McWannabe is right. Business's bottom line is dollars, not pleasing a narrow segment of the market. Athletes come and athletes go, and that is just something that is part of any sport. I live in edmonton, alberta, canada, and Wayne Gretzky, the greatest hockey player that ever lived, was traded out of our city in the prime of his career because of money. At the high end of sport in general, people's sentiments are relatively unimportant.

 
And again the point is missed. I've told it how it is, I'm done here.

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this pocket-rocket character is the biggest poser in existence

my intire crew waited for his ass at the bottem of the hill and beat the shit out of him. i broke his poles agianst a tree, and we snapped one of his skis. fucker got uppercutted so much. he was bleeding from his eyes and shit, crying like a little pussy. i busted out a body slam on his ass and broke both of his arms. the ski patroler broke up the fight and clipped all of our tickets. we where gonna beat the shit out of the patroller but my mom came to pick us up.

~mommy~
 
for the people dissing Line... they made there first twin tip ski, the Ostness Dragon, the same year the teneighty came out... don't hate Line, they are doin everything they can for the newschool movement with their meger profits by supporting up and coming skiers like you and me.

 
Reedy said it perfect and Jakes, the Ostness Dragon was still a prototype while the 1080 had been out a whole year already, one and a half seasons including the prototypes the boys got at the first US Open. As far as R+D budget of JF and JP, that is a joke. They were given the new 1080's and told, 'Here is your new ski.' No input on graphics, construction, anything. Again, this is a reason they wanted a voice..in Armada.

 
doesn't salomon have other skiers that can contribute to the r&d i donno i always thought more people the jp and jf rode salomons i could be wrong though

 
yes, what kind of a pro model is one, that the rider had no input in?

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well if salomon are going to make race skis and turn away from the newschool so be it!! No one buys salomon skis, boots, bindings etc... only support the companies that support us.

Personally if what you say is true - i will tell everyone that asks which ski is best not to go with salomon because they are shit. Word of mouth is more influential than any tv commercial or magazine ad

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Hey Shane Mcwannabe, you're right when you said K2 is helping out by making cheaper prices. One thing that helps them do that is they are they only company to make skis in the the great over-populated country of China. Next time someone busts out K2, just think about the chinese dude who made your skis for a buck a day. I'm not saying the company sucks or anything, or don't by PubEnemys(cause they're really sick), im just trying to let you not be ignorant.

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Also, FYI, Salomon is a sports company, not just a winter sports company. They also make some sick inline skates.

Baker is right about K2 also. The fact that they run the risk of supporting sweat shops by having their skis manufactured in an extremely opressive, communist country (which stands against everything that the US was meant to be) overrides the fact that they sponsor a newschool freeheeler or that they make sick skis - or even that they have good prices.

Some things are worth the money, IMHO, even if it is just for philosophical reasons.

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now look at those poor 5 year old kids working in the k2 sweat shop in china. i have never seen such a primative and dangerous work place. no one should buy k2 skis after seeing how badly they treat their sweat shop workers who im sure only make pennies a day.

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They're ya have it,

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nice picture, is that on the k2 website?

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China has more problems than sweatshops. Kindly read my ENTIRE post instead of harping on one point.

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forgive me if im bein incredibly stupid but.....

i dont see how its a bad thing if two of the most innovative, talented and progressive skiers ever wanna leave their big internationl mega company and form their own core company that will pander to their own and other riders needs. Similarily if salomon want to keep producing top quality skis (cos the new 10's rock) and use their international customer base and well recognised name to sell twin tips thus promote the sport while still supporting some of the biggest skiers in the game. Whether jp and jf were forced out or decided to leave, at the end of the day you've still got armada a new core comoany with supposedly great skis and a kick ass team, and a company that is thinking the right way. Youv also still got an established ski manufacturer producing good quality, good looking (no matter what you say, image is vital to the ski/snowbaord industry) skis which can and will sell to a wider customer base worldwide. It also seems unlikely that salomon would redirect all of there focus now toward racing seeing as how they had the foresight to predict the rise of a newschool industry when they created the twin, you have to beleive that they understand that no matter how long it takes this is the direction that skiing is taking (just look at snowbaordings example)and what it will become, and maybye then they will learn to treat their team a bit more decently.

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Dont hurt yourself with all that thinking.

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