I don't know who decided on 8k waterproofing, but by doing so they eliminated the whole PNW as potential customers. and WHY is there a pocket in the center of your chest? I don't think this has a real function, it just looks stupid. FD did the pants right though...
and warmth has nothing to do with quality. the most technical jackets available are as warm as a garbage bag, skiers who know outerwear don't care about warmth, they layer.
I don't need smuggs to tell me which is the best for the price
trewSagaLDCFD
^in that order
and the only one of these that will last longer than 2 seasons is trew.