i think it was you asking about waterproffing on shutout and ondeck, shut out is 5000 waterproffing so you get kinda wet, my bro had one and he looked soaked but said he was dry underneath(mix of rain and snow whilst skiing), on deck is insulated and is 10000 so its double, i have no experience in rain or snow with that but do have one and its warm in the winter so might not be the best for spring, maybe a og logo would be good since its lighter but still 5000