Rick Santorum

Ah, so this is where the troll shows its true face. I feel bad for not noticing it earlier.

Cool/troll face along now, little Jimmy. Take it easy now, you hear?
 
Seriously? You expect more than this from Mike O? He has made that cancer quote more than once almost verbatem in other threads.
 
Im still confused how this thread has become any sort of a debate. Rick Santorum is a terrible candidate regardless of your views. If you are liberal, well its pretty obviously why you hate him. If you are a conservative, you should do, because this guy isnt conservative in the slightest, hes your typical Republican pretending to be conservative. The dude is just bad. Period.
 
The fact that people can be ignorant enough to blame the rising gas prices on the president is appalling. Gas prices have increased EVERYWHERE, in fact within this thread someone produced evidence that illustrates that our gas prices are actually much lower than many places in the world. And the idea that we should keep on drillin is equally as ignorant. There is no telling what sort of long term effect the mass drilling of oil will have on our planet, not to mention the continues flow of accidents that are associated with the extraction and transportation of oil.

Although i consider myself a staunch liberal, i can usually, at least to a certain extent, understand where the more respectable conservative candidates are coming from. But when it comes to Santorum i am at a total loss. I am beginning to lose faith in a country that will support someone who has made core elements of his campaign revolve around ridicules goals like doing away with the separation of church and state and even something as restricting as banning the distribution of porn.

Just thought id throw in my two cents.
 
DISCLAIMER

i think rick santorum is a baffoon and i'm an agnostic.

but well organized religions are very frequently active in their communities in beneficial ways, and do contribute a lot to charities. there is absolutely no denying that or its value.

and organized religions are the natural endpoint of people with shared beliefs and interests, which you at least claim to be ok with. do you know how many socio-political organizations there are in this country that came about in similar ways? thousands. people with shared values, ideas and goals get together and create organizations within their communities or across communities, its called freedom of association.

how would one end organized religion without trying to prevent people from actively practicing their religion?

i sometimes get frustrated with the influence organized religion has on government too, i live in slc for christ fucking sake, but there is no realistic or beneficial way to go about ending organized religion. people can, however, override the influence of outdated religious ideas in their legislature. you want to promote an atheist cause? you would be a lot better served working with an atheist group or with any other interest group that you believe in than you would be trying to end organized religion.

a much better question, perhaps the one you were looking for, is how to fairly regulate the influence of an overreaching religion, or any other interest group, from swaying the legislature away from the general will?
 
You can't blame him directly for a rise in the price but you can be furious with him for supporting policies that would make it go down. Like approval of more deep sea drilling platforms, the keystone pipeline etc
 
haha clicked on this thread once, and now i'm getting rick santorum ads on the side of ns. time to clear my browsing data
 
Lol.

Threads for when I need to look at something to get my rage out. Honestly radical right wing conservatives frustrate me so much. I have no problem with conservatism, but when it gets so extreme it's bad. Everything in moderation.
 
are you kidding me?

you dont like mit romney just because of what he believes in?

obama was a muslim as a child, do you not like him because of that?

what do you actually know about Mormons? just that some are polygamists? mormons are not what you seem to believe. i just dont get your thinking on this, since you are an atheist we all should be? because is sure what it sounds like.
 
why do you even post here.

i realize you are part of the plague we call nsg, but keep the bullshit to a minimum.
 
Like I said before, as you pointed out yourself, many religions organize to create good things for society, communities, our nearest and dearest and contribute to charities. I didn't deny that, I said exactly just that in my post.

In my opinion what we need, or should do, is to wake up more people to look at their lives, our lives, as a whole with open minds. Sure, to some it may seem like it's a good thing to be a part of a religion, believe in gods and have faith in things that are out of our control. But if religion was barred from the world at this exact moment, by a strange mix of fate, mass memory loss and sudden global destruction of any and all deities to be considered as anything else than mere myths, we would still be here, humans, plants, animals - part of the nature.

Where we would go from there, at this point in modern scientific discovery and invention, only time would tell, but without any religious agendas brainwashing people, controlling corporate and government interests, from the high rises of the Western world to the deepest reaches of the Amazon affected only by missionaries, I believe the world would progress with a tremendous speed with no visible objects blocking the path of discovery and exploration and the simplicity of just being here, without a certain reason, and accepting our own fatality.

We are born into this world, for few seconds, for a hundred years, who knows, but I believe that we are merely just that - births of a certain evolved species that rose to conquer most of the known Earth out of sheer luck and opportunity of adaptation. As we gain conscience, and subsequently grow knowledgeable, some of us might need to believe in something greater, still, without any previous existing religion on this day and ask questions, seek answers as to why we are here and what's our purpose. But, without organized religion and arbitrary indoctrination, we might have more of a fighting chance to surpass our limits as humans and learn.

Learn that there might not be a simple answer, beginning nor end to our existence - and we would be satisfied with that, continuing to try and find where exactly our beginnings may lie without looking out for a greater purpose or being behind it all.

I'm not an atheist in an extreme sense, I would call myself a romantic agnostic - I can't deny the probability of there being life outside our little spot in the universe nor can I deny there actually being some kind of force or immense being that created us all, who watches over our every step, from cradle to the grave. But I simply cannot believe in that, as I am a realist and I appreciate life for what it is, a simple existence in a world with billions of other beings around us.

 
Seriously, just copy and paste what you say here to Google Translate or another program with a vocalizer, and you might just realize how silly most of the stuff you say really sounds.

 
I'm a little confused. Will you explain to me how organized religions benefit communities and contribute to charities without there being individual people involved? Because I understand that a lot of individual people like to do good work, but I don't see how the concept of an organized religion has anything to do with it. So if you could help me out with that I'd appreciate it.
 
individual people are involved, not sure where you think i said otherwise, but when organized as a group they become more effective. read robert putnam's "bowling alone: the collapse and revival of american community." very interesting book in a lot of different ways, but one of the things he talks about is how religious organizations are an extremely important foundation to american community. churches are some of the last remaining common places that people gather together regularly and form connections to people across their community.

think about jewish community centers and all the good they do for members of their community, whether jewish or not.
 
i did too, and cringed HARD. If you believe that, then you should really consider ridding yourself of your reproductive abilities for the greater good of humanity
 
we dont need police either. or a society. or any organizations for that matter. all we need are individual people, right? they will act and do good independently, right?

the thing is, people wont be motivated to do good on a large scale unless their community is doing so as well. its an over simplified view of people, and the world to say otherwise.

 
Yesssss now I've created an off-topic shitstorm. Good going NS, particularly Mike-O, you seem to be the fire starter master lol.
 
is oil a commodity?

does oil harvested in the US get sold competitively on the international market?

Does america pay some of the lowest prices in the world for gas?

so without govt intervening a fuck-ton, how can we make the price of oil lower?
 
wasn't being 100% serious...

but most of the time, yes, they actually do. Government protects their jobs/companies/cooperations that they work for. They use up more infrastructure when they have a business that relies on transportation of goods. They consume the most energy.

why allow there to exist an exponentially growing gap between the ultra-wealthy/wealthy and the poor/lower classes?
 
good. I agree with him.

Rising prices will help really drive the point home that we can't be dependent on oil. Chu knows this, Obama knows this, I know this, you should know this.

Drilling our own oil will fuck us over in the long run. Not that you conservatives care much about the future anyways...

 
lol typical libertarian argument. it always boils down to the federal reserve. ALWAYS
 
does the government only protect the rich with these? or are those things that everyone benefits from? the upholding of contracts, courts, police, a military, etc.

they consume the most energy? what the hell is that supposed to mean?
 
This article has some interesting ideas http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/molyneux1.html

Keeping in mind that it's nearly impossible to predict what would rise out of a truly free market, without government interference. I imagine there will be far better systems anyone alive can imagine. Just like serfs in the middle ages could never have predicted modern systems.
 
It depends on what you mean. If you mean anarchy as in mohawked hooligans and mad max bikers, no haha. If you mean anarchy as people interacting in a non-coercive environment, yes
 
I don't mean either. I mean a situation in which there is no counterbalance or restrainer to business. I don't know if you mean by "truly free market" that there would be no government at all, or just a government that does basic things like water, sanitation and police work, or what.
 
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