Revision Messed Up

13822526:angrygramps said:
Where do i start.....You act like I'm fucking supporting this dickbag company. Dude fuck that. even thought i was one of the lucky few who got a set they still owe me the second set of skis I ordered, and they fucked over many of my friends too so no need to preach to me. I know the extent of the season ruining screw job that is Revision skis. I don't support them AT ALL.

To you the situation of the athlete doesn't matter because you are not the damn athlete and its fucking easy for us on newschoolers to sit at a computer and armchair quarterback peoples lives and choices. same shit happened when people thought Jonah was ditching RMU for atomic. he got lots of hate for that and is one of the nicest people on skis, all because some kid on a computer thought he was abandoning the "core"....he was literally borrowing the skis because his broke...no sponsor input at all. If you don't know the situation then you don't know what factors are involved in their choice. Just like if a person stays with a cheating, abusive partner (which happens all the time unfortunately in those situations). yes that partner is a complete shitbag asshole and theoretically they shouldn't stay but they do for a plethora of reasons that are impossible to understand unless you are the one making that choice. You (we) don't know the exact situation and how you would act so until you do try to see it from a different point of view. not saying they are right to still be repping, god knows I wouldn't be but who the fuck are we to pass character judgements on people for a fucking instagram post. EVERYTHING depends on situation....just ask spriggs.

Logan is fucking legit for doing that. he had the means (the situation) to hook kids up and he did. If i had some usable sticks laying around this season they would have gone to one of my buddies who got fucked over by Revision, and I'm sure that pretty much everybody on this site would do something similar given the option in that situation.

people make choices based on what they think is best from their viewpoint. it is the difference in viewpoints that causes disagreement.

look up some of the shit that goes down in skateboarding some time....the sponsor drama and business strong-arming that went down when world industries was still under rocco was strait up demonic. they stiffed so many skate shops so many times. do you think rodney mullen supported that? no way...but did he still ride for and co-own world and take the checks? you betcha. does he still deserve respect? undoubtedly. He would probably call that entire side of world industries a mistake but at the time him supporting them allowed the entire company to take off and change an entire industry for the better. not saying that is what is happening here but just food for thought.

PS I know nobody is making that kind of money off Revision....but I also don't make that kind of money off one restaurant job. but I do have have two jobs that both contribute income to my rent and expenses. If I lost either job I wouldn't be able to pay for rent making them both equally important even though neither makes me that much money ya dig?

moral of the story is that you and I probably agree on more things than we disagree on but we'll never see eye to eye because this is an internet pissing match over a slight difference in opinion about some people neither of us really know that well. So yea I guess thats my .02
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You're a fucking moron
 
13822489:B.Gillis said:
I don't know the situation of any athlete but to me that doesn't matter. If you continue to represent a company that has ripped off hundreds of people who look to you as an ambassador of said company then that pretty much says to me that you stand by the actions of the company. You continue to produce edits for the company and tag them on your IG posts while the kids who didn't get their shit sit at home and lick their wounds. Fuck that. Freeskiing is a niche inside of a niche and in my opinion each one of these guys should be considered and ambassador of the community and the sport long before they're considered an ambassador for a company. And that goes for all of us too.

PS - I highly fuckin doubt any of these guys were making enough to pay rent let alone feed themselves for an entire season.
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I know you said the situation doesn't matter to you, but I'll post what I know just for others to consider. I personally don't place any blame on any of the athletes.

Everyone was strung along just as much as the customers were. There were more than a handful of people with contracts worth 2k+. They were led to believe that skis were going to be delivered to customers and to them along with their checks. None of that ever happened obviously. How were they supposed to know that?

If tagging revision was gonna get them 2 grand and some promised future moment then why not just do it. Especially if there were no alternative ski sponsors available. Getting skis from a new brand mid season is hard enough. There certainly wasn't budget laying around to get paid.
 
In response to what was being said above about the athletes

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Are there really any athletes still taking or hashtagging revision anymore? I mean, they're still riding the skis, but that's because they don't have another option at the moment, but I haven't seen anyone post anything to promote the company otherwise in a very long time. They got just as fucked as everyone in this situation. From what I understand, the skis they're on are from the previous seasons post runs (typical for a company to run "next years" skis the year before), they happen to have enough to last a while, but I don't think anyone got paid, or is getting skis that should have gone to a customer first - I might be wrong, but that's what I've heard around.
 
As Sklar has said, we are putting together a piece covering this. We have yet to raise any response out of Bill. Could anyone who reads this and has yet to receive their skis drop me a PM?
 
13822390:B.Gillis said:
This thread really pisses me off and idek anyone personally that's been fucked over. I can say that I have lost alot of respect for those Revision team riders that are still repping revision all over their social media pages
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I haven't noticed anyone tagging revision ski in posts since early to mid season.

It's not like it's some crazy conspiracy between them and the company.

Hell, there were people in this thread who still thought they might get their skis in april, a few who did. For the most part nobody thought this would end up as fucked as it did.

It was a bad situation with some hope, that went even more south, and ended up completely fucked.

Athletes that were riding for revision now have to find a new ski company for next year. It's not as if they're all hanging with bill in Fiji or something.

The whole situation ended so badly it's still hard to believe.
 
So I've had an entire conversation with whoever runs the "revislonskis" Instagram account through a instant DMs. they claimed to be Bill. has anyone else had this happen? it was basically an informal interview. would you guys be interested in seeing what "Bill" had to say or no? I can almost guarantee that this account is fake and it is almost certainly not Bill but the conversation is fairly comical.
 
Doest anyone know if Bockmeister has any info on anything that we don't? Not saying she's tied with the company, I believe she did do a few graphics and maybe wants to chime in?
 
13824800:Swandog7 said:
Doest anyone know if Bockmeister has any info on anything that we don't? Not saying she's tied with the company, I believe she did do a few graphics and maybe wants to chime in?
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I HIGHLY doubt she has any additional info, when all the skiers they support have ZERO contact or information.

I was one of the few who had a direct relationship with Bill (not tied to revision) and have ZERO additional information. He won't respond to any of my texts or emails either.

He's a really good dude who I've known for over 5 years, and one that I never thought would do anything like this which is why is so disheartening to not know the explanation of it all. I was waiting for him to come out and say "hey we messed up big time and we know it, we'll refund everyone their money" or something like that. Unfortunately we may never know the real story behind all of this.

**This post was edited on Jul 2nd 2017 at 11:38:22pm
 
site is finally down, and all instagram handles have now been deleted.....You guys are not getting your money back, but revision will never sell skis again. I hope there is some accountability for the people that made the decisions for many people never getting their product or money.
 
13824830:VanMelle said:
I HIGHLY doubt she has any additional info, when all the skiers they support have ZERO contact or information.

I was one of the few who had a direct relationship with Bill (not tied to revision) and have ZERO additional information. He won't respond to any of my texts or emails either.

He's a really good dude who I've known for over 5 years, and one that I never thought would do anything like this which is why is so disheartening to not know the explanation of it all. I was waiting for him to come out and say "hey we messed up big time and we know it, we'll refund everyone their money" or something like that. Unfortunately we may never know the real story behind all of this.

**This post was edited on Jul 2nd 2017 at 11:38:22pm
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right there with ya Judd. Crazy disappointed and still confused
 
Might it be a case of depression, mental health, family crisis? It's hard not to roast someone when they bone so many people and don't say anything except enough to fuck over people's CC claims, but what is the story behind Bill?
 
13824948:hemlockjibber8 said:
Might it be a case of depression, mental health, family crisis? It's hard not to roast someone when they bone so many people and don't say anything except enough to fuck over people's CC claims, but what is the story behind Bill?
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yeah im pissed I didnt get my skis but it seems weird that the dude pretty much vanished
 
I've had the same problem you did. Been waiting for my skis for 10 months. Good to know i wasn't the only.. i guess. So since i'm canadian you guys can do 1.3x $ to what you guys paid. 500$.. Guess i'll have to start shopping new skis. again. This sucks..
 
13824798:iggyskier said:
Yeah...http://www.skis.com/on/demandware.s...lt/Search-Show?simplesearch=Search&q=revision

Coincidentally, skis.com is a Michigan company.

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I contacted them, and their ski buyer responded saying that they got the skis from a 3rd party liquidator and typically this means the "brand had not paid the production and/or warehousing bills for [the skis], but we never know the exact circumstance"

So it sounds like they never paid the manufacturer to begin with.

Does anyone know if Bill is even alive anymore? Idk how you can go under the radar this long with that amount money missing in an industry like skiing where everyone knows each other.
 
13825163:a_burger said:
I contacted them, and their ski buyer responded saying that they got the skis from a 3rd party liquidator and typically this means the "brand had not paid the production and/or warehousing bills for [the skis], but we never know the exact circumstance"

So it sounds like they never paid the manufacturer to begin with.
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The one thing I will add, as a ski manufacture, is that we never ship skis overseas if payment has not been made in full. I highly doubt the factory in China would ship the skis to the US without payment. Given the custom documents that are available online, you can see the info for the ski shipment that came over in Feb and the receiving company was Revision, so I doubt that would be the case if it was a 3rd party liquidator.
 
13825168:iggyskier said:
The one thing I will add, as a ski manufacture, is that we never ship skis overseas if payment has not been made in full. I highly doubt the factory in China would ship the skis to the US without payment. Given the custom documents that are available online, you can see the info for the ski shipment that came over in Feb and the receiving company was Revision, so I doubt that would be the case if it was a 3rd party liquidator.
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So are you thinking Bill sold all the remaining stock to skis.com to get back some cash?
 
13825170:Sharko said:
So are you thinking Bill sold all the remaining stock to skis.com to get back some cash?
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Honestly, most of what I could add here would be either rumor or conjecture and I don't feel that is appropriate. I am only comfortable sharing what I know for sure, which is from seeing a custom document for a sizeable shipment of skis around mid-February. I don't know anything else about Revision or what happened to those skis once they got into the US, except that it appears about 50% of them ended up for sale at Skis.com, based upon the quantities Skis.com is listing and the details of the custom document.

Besides that, your guess is as good as mine.
 
13825172:iggyskier said:
Honestly, most of what I could add here would be either rumor or conjecture and I don't feel that is appropriate. I am only comfortable sharing what I know for sure, which is from seeing a custom document for a sizeable shipment of skis around mid-February. I don't know anything else about Revision or what happened to those skis once they got into the US, except that it appears about 50% of them ended up for sale at Skis.com, based upon the quantities Skis.com is listing and the details of the custom document.

Besides that, your guess is as good as mine.
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He sold the skis twice is my guess , once with the pre order then again to skis.com.
 
Wasnt there an original shipment where the manufacturer fucked up and didnt use the correct materials? Could these be those skis?
 
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not the same industry but relevant
 
July and still no deetz?

Fuck. The old NS would have had his adresses, social security, pictures, bank account info, travel itinerary, etc by now.

Very dissapoint.
 
13825384:theabortionator said:
July and still no deetz?

Fuck. The old NS would have had his adresses, social security, pictures, bank account info, travel itinerary, etc by now.

Very dissapoint.
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iflip is good at that
 
13825384:theabortionator said:
July and still no deetz?

Fuck. The old NS would have had his adresses, social security, pictures, bank account info, travel itinerary, etc by now.

Very dissapoint.
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Yeah like 2 years ago we would've been able to bring him down. Those members are sadly not as present as they once were.

I'm just waiting for the Feds to get him like they got whitey bulger, years after his shit and sentenced for life x2.

How the fuck couldn't he just come clean and disappoint us from the first incomplete order? not like the skiing community doesn't understand small companies can fail.
 
13825302:angrygramps said:
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not the same industry but relevant
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Not really at all
 
13825458:angrygramps said:
Thanks for your helpful insight. Care to explain?
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How to start a company possibly, aka just go to a trade show VS. Actually build a company and actually sell shit just to fuck people over a few years later
 
13825459:TheClap. said:
How to start a company possibly, aka just go to a trade show VS. Actually build a company and actually sell shit just to fuck people over a few years later
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did you totally miss the part about how hard it is to work with these overseas factories and get a decent product? That directly relates. Also revision likely started exactly like that-a guy went to a trade show thinking "how hard can it be?" And was too thick to to know that the answer is pretty damn hard
 
13825462:angrygramps said:
did you totally miss the part about how hard it is to work with these overseas factories and get a decent product? That directly relates. Also revision likely started exactly like that-a guy went to a trade show thinking "how hard can it be?" And was too thick to to know that the answer is pretty damn hard
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Yes I did watch the whole thing and yes it not relate. Reread the thread and how revision started making skis, they were sketchy from the beginning
 
13825463:TheClap. said:
Yes I did watch the whole thing and yes it not relate. Reread the thread and how revision started making skis, they were sketchy from the beginning
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Dude I fucking understand the situation. In fact I still havnt gotten a set that I ordered and likely never will. I also have a set of the first years model so I'd say I'm pretty well aware of the company history. I can see the thought process now " let me invest 4 years of my life, lie to friends and family and customers, make skis, find investors, make sure I can never work in the ski industry again, and assemble a huge team, just to scam what is likely less than 100k in sales from the least profitable and smallest part of skiing"

He screwed us and needs to answer for it but there are easier ways to full on scam people out of a lot more money.
 
13825464:angrygramps said:
Dude I fucking understand the situation. In fact I still havnt gotten a set that I ordered and likely never will. I also have a set of the first years model so I'd say I'm pretty well aware of the company history. I can see the thought process now " let me invest 4 years of my life, lie to friends and family and customers, make skis, find investors, make sure I can never work in the ski industry again, and assemble a huge team, just to scam what is likely less than 100k in sales from the least profitable and smallest part of skiing"

He screwed us and needs to answer for it but there are easier ways to full on scam people out of a lot more money.
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He found some suckas and licked them

Revision skis = Blac chyna
 
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