Revision Messed Up

13821106:Static said:
The main dude lives around Grand Rapids, MI
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doing a cross country trip and currently in nebraska, should be in grand rapids on wednesday. i know the exact city is Portage, MI. is a brick through the window too harsh?
 
13821142:gaper-raper said:
why is this taking so long to get resolved? Feels like Jiblife will be released before Revision deals with its customers.
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Hate to say it, but it probably never will be resolved...
 
13821144:BWalmer said:
Hate to say it, but it probably never will be resolved...
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I feel like some lawyer should be in on this, I mean if I was a lawyer I would take the case, you would definitely win and make some $$$
 
13821106:Static said:
The main dude lives around Grand Rapids, MI. There was a Colorado partner or rep also named Bill. The Colorado address is just a mail box store (like po boxes).

Lets go to his house see if we can catch him in person and get some answers. NS, you wanna throw down for a couple plane tickets and hotel rooms for an exclusive story?
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Close but not exactly true, as they do not live in Colorado.

I hate seeing this happen to everyone involved, including myself as I have had zero contact back from anyone at Revison as well.

Hoping for the best and everyone gets their gear at the very least, considering I personally backed them for so long.
 
13821087:Sklar said:
He stopped answering my calls and texts, and deleted his personal Facebook and Instagram
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And the story isn't dropped because...?

This is a 24 page thread thats basically been on the front page of Ski Gabber for a few months. People are rightfully pissed the fuck of and this is somehow not newschool skiing news? All for NS media and journalists, but this seems like something everyone would be chomping at the bit to report on, especially where we are now. In June. June.
 
13821173:RudyGarmisch said:
And the story isn't dropped because...?

This is a 24 page thread thats basically been on the front page of Ski Gabber for a few months. People are rightfully pissed the fuck of and this is somehow not newschool skiing news? All for NS media and journalists, but this seems like something everyone would be chomping at the bit to report on, especially where we are now. In June. June.
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Tru.
 
13821173:RudyGarmisch said:
And the story isn't dropped because...?

This is a 24 page thread thats basically been on the front page of Ski Gabber for a few months. People are rightfully pissed the fuck of and this is somehow not newschool skiing news? All for NS media and journalists, but this seems like something everyone would be chomping at the bit to report on, especially where we are now. In June. June.
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It hasn't dropped because I have a full time job, and a life, both of which are not related to Newschoolers.

I wasn't assigned this by Twig or Doug. I'm trying to write this story because I think it needs to be done by someone, and obviously no one else has stepped up to the plate. At this rate, there's a good chance I won't even get paid to write what will end up being a 1,000-3,000 word story, but that's not the point.

Newschoolers has an open content system, you can write the article if you want.

If I'm going to write it, I'm going to take my time, and do it to my standards, especially if I'm not getting paid to do it.
 
13821181:Sklar said:
It hasn't dropped because I have a full time job, and a life, both of which are not related to Newschoolers.

I wasn't assigned this by Twig or Doug. I'm trying to write this story because I think it needs to be done by someone, and obviously no one else has stepped up to the plate. At this rate, there's a good chance I won't even get paid to write what will end up being a 1,000-3,000 word story, but that's not the point.

Newschoolers has an open content system, you can write the article if you want.

If I'm going to write it, I'm going to take my time, and do it to my standards, especially if I'm not getting paid to do it.
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Wrecked,

But honestly we need to let Sklar do his job and get the research done first to write the article, I mean I'm sure he could write an article based on this thread but it would basically be a summary of everything we have already read on here... I'm sure a good article requires background research etc and if bills not responding its kind of hard to get that
 
13821173:RudyGarmisch said:
And the story isn't dropped because...?

This is a 24 page thread thats basically been on the front page of Ski Gabber for a few months. People are rightfully pissed the fuck of and this is somehow not newschool skiing news? All for NS media and journalists, but this seems like something everyone would be chomping at the bit to report on, especially where we are now. In June. June.
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Def agreeing with this.

And adding this : If NS admins are busy, anyone can write an article and it would be really cool to see a nice segment from someone who was personally wronged by revision. Maybe talk about the steps you had to take to get your money back so others who aren't informed of the thread can get that info from the article. There are WAY too many kids who got screwed here and $300-400 is no pocket change. Besides, get a decent article up about thoughts and opinions, maybe link this thread, throw a poll on it, and let people comment. This is the kinda thing that you want to show up on Facebook so no one gets wronged again when "pre-orders" occur again. Seriously any of you guys who ordered and dealt with the constant delayed email messages could write an article. Just post a link on this thread if you submit it... and, ya know, make sure you spell check.
 
13821254:TheSmokinL said:
Seriously any of you guys who ordered and dealt with the constant delayed email messages could write an article.
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When I reference the email messages I mean the times you tried to contact them & the poor responses you got. Just to show how much effort you put into the situation and all the consideration you made before writing the article.
 
13821254:TheSmokinL said:
Def agreeing with this.

And adding this : If NS admins are busy, anyone can write an article and it would be really cool to see a nice segment from someone who was personally wronged by revision. Maybe talk about the steps you had to take to get your money back so others who aren't informed of the thread can get that info from the article. There are WAY too many kids who got screwed here and $300-400 is no pocket change. Besides, get a decent article up about thoughts and opinions, maybe link this thread, throw a poll on it, and let people comment. This is the kinda thing that you want to show up on Facebook so no one gets wronged again when "pre-orders" occur again. Seriously any of you guys who ordered and dealt with the constant delayed email messages could write an article. Just post a link on this thread if you submit it... and, ya know, make sure you spell check.
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I think what you guys have in mind in terms of an article and what Sklar has in mind are different. I definitely don't disagree with you here. Someone should put the word out. But I think Sklar's approach involved getting answers from Revision so people knew what was going on on Revision's side of things. Or at least that's my interpretation of what's up. I don't know. Don't yell at me.
 
lol I think its safe to assume that if revision isn't responding to the people they owe money to, they sure as hell won't be responding to any inquiries from the NS journalism team
 
13821181:Sklar said:
It hasn't dropped because I have a full time job, and a life, both of which are not related to Newschoolers.

I wasn't assigned this by Twig or Doug. I'm trying to write this story because I think it needs to be done by someone, and obviously no one else has stepped up to the plate. At this rate, there's a good chance I won't even get paid to write what will end up being a 1,000-3,000 word story, but that's not the point.

Newschoolers has an open content system, you can write the article if you want.

If I'm going to write it, I'm going to take my time, and do it to my standards, especially if I'm not getting paid to do it.
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While I totally understand where you are coming from with being busy with a full time job and life outside of NS not allowing you the proper time to create this piece, I'm kind of disappointed you are bringing money into the equation. I realize you said "but that's not the point" in regards to getting paid, but then you went on to mention money again at the end of your comment. If you are passionate about journalism and the the sport of skiing I would assume this story would be personal enough to warrant money not being an excuse. Especially considering the magnitude of the story is likely to provide some decent exposure (in comparison to other ski "news").

I don't want you to take this the wrong way, I really do appreciate you going out of your way to deliver quality content ESPECIALLY on your own dime. I also realize this isn't something that can just be created overnight (but let's not forget this has gone on for months). So maybe I'm directing this comment towards the wrong person. Maybe it's NS at fault for not putting more efforts into getting this piece created? What makes you say "at this rate there's a good chance I wont even get paid."? I would assume that of all the articles for NS to pay out, one of this scope would definitely be compensated. Bishop, chime in here will ya. The people want answers.
 
13821272:Shewlur... said:
lol I think its safe to assume that if revision isn't responding to the people they owe money to, they sure as hell won't be responding to any inquiries from the NS journalism team
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We gotta get Vice to cover this story
 
13821353:Randy_Quench said:
While I totally understand where you are coming from with being busy with a full time job and life outside of NS not allowing you the proper time to create this piece, I'm kind of disappointed you are bringing money into the equation. I realize you said "but that's not the point" in regards to getting paid, but then you went on to mention money again at the end of your comment. If you are passionate about journalism and the the sport of skiing I would assume this story would be personal enough to warrant money not being an excuse. .
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Easy to say when it's not your money. How much funding have you contributed to this cause? You don't even have a green name, so maybe you should take your criticism and turn it inward.
 
13821353:Randy_Quench said:
While I totally understand where you are coming from with being busy with a full time job and life outside of NS not allowing you the proper time to create this piece, I'm kind of disappointed you are bringing money into the equation. I realize you said "but that's not the point" in regards to getting paid, but then you went on to mention money again at the end of your comment. If you are passionate about journalism and the the sport of skiing I would assume this story would be personal enough to warrant money not being an excuse. Especially considering the magnitude of the story is likely to provide some decent exposure (in comparison to other ski "news").

I don't want you to take this the wrong way, I really do appreciate you going out of your way to deliver quality content ESPECIALLY on your own dime. I also realize this isn't something that can just be created overnight (but let's not forget this has gone on for months). So maybe I'm directing this comment towards the wrong person. Maybe it's NS at fault for not putting more efforts into getting this piece created? What makes you say "at this rate there's a good chance I wont even get paid."? I would assume that of all the articles for NS to pay out, one of this scope would definitely be compensated. Bishop, chime in here will ya. The people want answers.
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So he should be an investigative reporter for free. Dude cut contact with Sklar. What the hell can he do?
 
13820411:snowfinder said:
Just would like a follow up to said comment.
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obviously a lot has changed since then. whole situation is fucked and I doubt most people will be getting their skis ever. I never got mine, but I've seen a few out in the wild. Even if they do show up, at this point it doesn't matter. I feel really bad for everyone involved in this. Customers and athletes especially.

I'm trying to learn from every experience and proceed accordingly. This one is tough cause it certainly shakes up some strong beliefs I've held. I'll continue to support rider owned brands. I'll be more strict in my assessment of that, more to the tune of what EO was saying in the beginning of this thread.
 
13817175:Karkoskier said:
Took them 5 days to send me this after I called them out for not responding in 24hrs.

"We hereby inform you that we have received your inquiry. We are sorry to hear you have not received your ordered skis nor refund. We are getting this handled for you , researching and looking forward to resolving it for you.

Best,

Revision Skis"

And again now 5 days without a response.

What the fuck is there to research? lol It's not a fucking term paper, it's do you have a record whether or not you mailed my skis I ordered to my address? They obviously have a record of all our credit cards which they charged and took our money over a half of a year ago so I don't see why it's so hard to keep track of who you did and didn't ship skis to.

Pretty sure they're just gonna forever keep sending us shit that says they're working on it so that they can avoid any lawsuits by saying they're working to fix the problems.

RIP to my $380

Also maybe they just blocked me, but pretty sure they deleted both their Instagram and Facebook accounts. Burn in hell Revision Skis.
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Still no response a month after getting their this response from their Fresh Desk problem solver bull shit.

It's June now... by august it will have been a whole year since I gave them my money for skis I never got.

I've given up all hope.

Way to go Revision you scammed me! RIP to my $380 all I wanted was to rep your skis this season and have fun on them, but I guess taking my money, lying to me, ignoring me, giving me hope, lying to me again, and now ignoring me again is all you gave me.
 
I have been lurking on this topic since I ordered my revision skis in November last year. Their customer service team was absolute crap in helping me at all or keeping me updated.

After not hearing back from them for a while, I filed a claim in April with my credit card company that Revision didn't fulfill their service obligation and I was refunded in full.

I just got an email today from my credit card company that they have recharged me the full amount because apparently, Revison has a 120 day dispute policy, and since it was 153 days until I filed the claim with the credit card company, I still had to pay the full amount for skis I never received.

Did anyone else have this problem? I am trying to talk to my credit card company because I received an email from Revision a month before I filed the claim saying that I would receive an email shortly when they ship my skis (which they never did). I feel like because revision sent me that email, I should have 120 days to file the claim from that time (which I did).

I am honestly at a loss for words for this company. I have never dealt with a more horrible business than Revision Skis.
 
step one. Start a company offer a ridiculous warranty that gets hoard of new customers on board.

step two. Next year raise prices on pre orders, exclude preorders from order refund policy, keep promising customers skis until the normal 120 day period on most major debit/credit card companies to get transactions refunded.

step three. Profit?
 
13821598:Karkoskier said:
Still no response a month after getting their this response from their Fresh Desk problem solver bull shit.

It's June now... by august it will have been a whole year since I gave them my money for skis I never got.

I've given up all hope.

Way to go Revision you scammed me! RIP to my $380 all I wanted was to rep your skis this season and have fun on them, but I guess taking my money, lying to me, ignoring me, giving me hope, lying to me again, and now ignoring me again is all you gave me.[/QU

Last paragraph word word word word. Was so keen to rep Revision in Switzerland. Instead I've been shafted by Bill "Mandingo" Wanrooy
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I just want to put out there, its super sketchy how you can just go on their website and buy a pair of skis right now like nothing is wrong. Kinda messed up for the unsuspecting consumer.
 
13821805:aroge said:
Last paragraph word word word word. Was so keen to rep Revision in Switzerland. Instead I've been shafted by Bill "Mandingo" Wanrooy
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What skis did you order and where in Switzerland? If you don't get your money back and you don't have cash for skis next winter I can try hook you up. I got skis from 174-184.
 
13821730:AdornFasten said:
I have been lurking on this topic since I ordered my revision skis in November last year. Their customer service team was absolute crap in helping me at all or keeping me updated.

After not hearing back from them for a while, I filed a claim in April with my credit card company that Revision didn't fulfill their service obligation and I was refunded in full.

I just got an email today from my credit card company that they have recharged me the full amount because apparently, Revison has a 120 day dispute policy, and since it was 153 days until I filed the claim with the credit card company, I still had to pay the full amount for skis I never received.

Did anyone else have this problem? I am trying to talk to my credit card company because I received an email from Revision a month before I filed the claim saying that I would receive an email shortly when they ship my skis (which they never did). I feel like because revision sent me that email, I should have 120 days to file the claim from that time (which I did).

I am honestly at a loss for words for this company. I have never dealt with a more horrible business than Revision Skis.
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That blows man.

I still can't believe how fucked this whole situation is.
 
13821807:03gade said:
I just want to put out there, its super sketchy how you can just go on their website and buy a pair of skis right now like nothing is wrong. Kinda messed up for the unsuspecting consumer.
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yeah that's pretty egregious
 
I say we sneak into the revision factory at night and hook up a set of jumper cables to their backup generator, then catch him unawares when he comes in the next morning and get to work. Nothing like 480 volts of electricity straight to the nipples to get those skis on fedex next day delivery.
 
13821829:-SnowSnoli- said:
What skis did you order and where in Switzerland? If you don't get your money back and you don't have cash for skis next winter I can try hook you up. I got skis from 174-184.
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I ordered Talismans to Verbier. That would be amazing if you could man. Where are you in Switzerland?
 
people who didn't get their shit should be blowing up every form of social media revision skis has....their instagram page is devoid of many negative comments it should have.
 
13822394:hippystinx said:
people who didn't get their shit should be blowing up every form of social media revision skis has....their instagram page is devoid of many negative comments it should have.
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People have and Revisions deletes the comments and blocks the user.
 
13822390:B.Gillis said:
This thread really pisses me off and idek anyone personally that's been fucked over. I can say that I have lost alot of respect for those Revision team riders that are still repping revision all over their social media pages
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For real!! Lost a lot of interest/respect for guys I follow on Instagram still tagging them in their posts. Any skis they got from them this season were basically stolen from me and everyone else.

If they somehow come back next season.... then any "pro" who gets their new skis is just as big of a crook as Revision IMO.
 
13822390:B.Gillis said:
This thread really pisses me off and idek anyone personally that's been fucked over. I can say that I have lost alot of respect for those Revision team riders that are still repping revision all over their social media pages
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Not saying that your opinion is wrong but tbh unless you personally know their situations (and maybe you do, I don't) this is kind of a fucked up viewpoint. like what if they have a contract to fulfill and this guy is the type to sue. what if they rely on that sponsorship to make rent and are having trouble finding another program to get on. I mean it blows and revision deserves to be way the fuck out of business or in civil suit but the athletes can't 100% be held accountable for this stuff. They signed up to be ambassadors based on what the company did in their first 3 years of business. They had no more clue than anybody else this was gonna happen and might be caught in a bad spot. It looks really bad to completely abandon a sponsor in general, and id hope this industry would understand them breaking their contracts but generally any breach of contract is not viewed as a good thing and those guys have very little to nothing to do with the business side of things
 
13820878:ozzywrong said:
go do a shitty backflip off a 2 foot jump while changing your tampon !! That would be really impressive
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shameful. You waited nearly a full page worths of post to construct that epic burn.
 
13822450:angrygramps said:
what if they rely on that sponsorship to make rent and are having trouble finding another program to get on.
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Maybe one or two riders were getting a check from Revision, everyone else was flow.
 
13822489:B.Gillis said:
Your response is just a joke right? I mean the only thing you said that actually makes sense is that the athletes can't be held 100% accountable for this type of stuff. I never said that they should be held accountable for anyone not getting their shit. I said I have lost alot of respect for those who continue to rep revision on their social media accounts.

This entire situation is a pathetic ass joke. This company has fucked over god even knows how many people. How many kids had their entire season ruined because of this? How many smaller ski companies will feel the ripple effect of Revisions actions?

I don't know the situation of any athlete but to me that doesn't matter. If you continue to represent a company that has ripped off hundreds of people who look to you as an ambassador of said company then that pretty much says to me that you stand by the actions of the company. You continue to produce edits for the company and tag them on your IG posts while the kids who didn't get their shit sit at home and lick their wounds. Fuck that. Freeskiing is a niche inside of a niche and in my opinion each one of these guys should be considered and ambassador of the community and the sport long before they're considered an ambassador for a company. And that goes for all of us too.

That shit that Logan pulled is what I'm talking about. Dude comes out of left field to try and salvage a situation that he has no business in trying to salvage, but he's a true member of this community. Same goes for the guy a few posts above me offering up some of his sticks to someone who got fucked.

PS - I highly fuckin doubt any of these guys were making enough to pay rent let alone feed themselves for an entire season.
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Where do i start.....You act like I'm fucking supporting this dickbag company. Dude fuck that. even thought i was one of the lucky few who got a set they still owe me the second set of skis I ordered, and they fucked over many of my friends too so no need to preach to me. I know the extent of the season ruining screw job that is Revision skis. I don't support them AT ALL.

To you the situation of the athlete doesn't matter because you are not the damn athlete and its fucking easy for us on newschoolers to sit at a computer and armchair quarterback peoples lives and choices. same shit happened when people thought Jonah was ditching RMU for atomic. he got lots of hate for that and is one of the nicest people on skis, all because some kid on a computer thought he was abandoning the "core"....he was literally borrowing the skis because his broke...no sponsor input at all. If you don't know the situation then you don't know what factors are involved in their choice. Just like if a person stays with a cheating, abusive partner (which happens all the time unfortunately in those situations). yes that partner is a complete shitbag asshole and theoretically they shouldn't stay but they do for a plethora of reasons that are impossible to understand unless you are the one making that choice. You (we) don't know the exact situation and how you would act so until you do try to see it from a different point of view. not saying they are right to still be repping, god knows I wouldn't be but who the fuck are we to pass character judgements on people for a fucking instagram post. EVERYTHING depends on situation....just ask spriggs.

Logan is fucking legit for doing that. he had the means (the situation) to hook kids up and he did. If i had some usable sticks laying around this season they would have gone to one of my buddies who got fucked over by Revision, and I'm sure that pretty much everybody on this site would do something similar given the option in that situation.

people make choices based on what they think is best from their viewpoint. it is the difference in viewpoints that causes disagreement.

look up some of the shit that goes down in skateboarding some time....the sponsor drama and business strong-arming that went down when world industries was still under rocco was strait up demonic. they stiffed so many skate shops so many times. do you think rodney mullen supported that? no way...but did he still ride for and co-own world and take the checks? you betcha. does he still deserve respect? undoubtedly. He would probably call that entire side of world industries a mistake but at the time him supporting them allowed the entire company to take off and change an entire industry for the better. not saying that is what is happening here but just food for thought.

PS I know nobody is making that kind of money off Revision....but I also don't make that kind of money off one restaurant job. but I do have have two jobs that both contribute income to my rent and expenses. If I lost either job I wouldn't be able to pay for rent making them both equally important even though neither makes me that much money ya dig?

moral of the story is that you and I probably agree on more things than we disagree on but we'll never see eye to eye because this is an internet pissing match over a slight difference in opinion about some people neither of us really know that well. So yea I guess thats my .02
 
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