reactor bindings and how LINE salesmen can't even set them up right.

thought i'd pass along for all the reactor haters out here. i was at SIA stratton this week testing '06 skis an it was fuckin funny an sorta shitty that nobody at the LINE tent knew how to set up the reactors except Leventhol it was taking the reps like half hour per pair of skis finally jason did.

 
that's reps for ya. At our shop we got a bunch of cross country skis that the reps we're letting people demo. They were all mounted wrong.

Reps, for the most part, know the book smarts bit of skis, but aren't techies at all.

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freezy read the first post on the subject it was all sales reps for line there no one else cause all the shop were at the thing testin skis for next year

 
Dude you're exaggerating or have no idea what you are talking about.

#1 There were a lot of folks from Trak Sports at the Line booth (guys from Karhu), you probably talked to them and that would explain why they didn't know, it's not their product they were just sharing the booth.

#2 I know 4 guys who were at the booth nonstop and everyone of them can adjust those bindings faster than you can write another line binding hate thread. You obviously talked to the wrong people.

It's undeniable that some bindings have broken but your statements are false and unnecessary. What I can't figure out is why everyone wants to hate on Line for bringing new technology to the table. It's not like they have refused to warranty any and all bindings that have had problems.

They are bringing you a newer safer binding to the market.

 
they may be safe but they pre release so easly and thats why i no longer ski mine i cant trust em

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^I think it should be a rule that if you make that kind of comment you should prove that a certified tech set them up. I've seen a number of people write bad reviews when its probably their fault.

 
i have seen the heel piece blow off three times on three different skiers, for no reason.

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You know what I'm getting sick of? Idiots who don't know shit about a product, and don't even come close to understanding how impossibly hard it is to COMPLETELY REVOLUTIONIZE SKI BINDINGS, yet go out of their way to rip on it at every opportunity.

Just one more reason to call newschoolers.com skiing's cesspool.

Bahahaha... or, you could call it the 'elitist snob' cult. Anyways, my family already owns a country club, so no thanks.

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Monday at stratton everyone at the line booth was doing fine i thought, those bindings obviously take longer to setup than a demo binding because thats not the purpose of them although they can function that way and take a little bit longer to setup. Anyway some of the kids at that booth were just sponsored kids that were helping out a little.

 
And the longest time it took me to get setup on anything was probably 4-5 minutes, and levinthal wasn't the one setting my stuff so i think your 'half an hour' (which i realise you were exagerating on anyway) should be bumped down to about 5 mintes because thats the longest i saw anyone wait on monday.

 
I e-mailed Levinthal about Mike Wilson at the US Open and he told me that he blew out his knee using a Salomon binding. He was trying to tell me that it wouldn't have happened with the reactor, but why was Wilson using another binding in the first place? If the binding is so great and revolutionary, wouldn't a pro rider want to actually use them? Hmmm...

 
Because he doesn't ride for Line anymore.

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Who do you think is paying Mike more to ride their bindings?

Small ass Line Skis?

Or ADIDAS errr... I mean Salomon.

Why do you think he wants to ride another company's binding?

 
like any new product, you need to give it time to develop. for instance, look at the new GTO compared to last years, there are so many improvements it s astonishing. and line is making a ski binding completely from scratch. all ski bindings are basically the same toe piece hell piece seperate with a different twist from each company. line is trying to do something completely new and it will take a few years to get it perfected. so shut the fuck up and buy some rossi's for now

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im glad that more people are starting to come around on the line binding. its a good binding.

'damn son landing switch in pow is like...eating jello with a fork...'
-joemuench
 
are you kidding? they are shittiest bindings ive ever seen/used. in one day, i saw two pairs break- on one the toe piece broke off halfway, and on the other the heelpiece blew completely off. and they prereleased abotu every 5 seconds. and theyre heavy as fuck. i will NEVER use one of those bindings again, EVER.

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see jibskier1260, thats exactly why i use the line binding. i dont want to blow my knee out and im very confident that nothing will happen to my knees in the reactors. i dont believe that the reps didnt know how to set up the bindings, i think your full of shit. to sum it all up, reactors kick ass

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from what i have heard, line reactor bindings have accually had fewer percentage of bindings sales to warrenties then any other binding currently on the market. So for those of you bashing them, i could come on here and bitch out all the problems i have had with marker, atomic, salomon and look.

 
^ that is because most break within 30 days and go in the 'return' category or 'defective' but not 'warrantied'

How can you judge a warranty meter when they haven't even been out for a full year? (1-2 year warranty) I fully support line skis

Making a binding from scratch with the twisting release is nearly impossible.

 
what ev's

'kevin whyed nils pull you out?' 'Cuz i was touchin bitches.' 'No seriously why did he put in scott.' 'Scott doesn't touch bitches.'

Viva Candide
 
sure the reactors have a few kinks in them, but i like mine, havn't had any major problems that i havn't had with any other companies bindings. major props to line for doing what they are doing, and putting something new and innovative out as always.

 
Jck, what are you basing this 'within 30 days' off of?

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jck8487, dude thats a stupid comment to make, what factual evidence do you even have to back that up as, or is it just opinion based

 
Talked to my girl from NH who was in Stratton:

Broken Reactor count - 3 at Stratton

- 4 at X-Games pipe for Josh Bibby, did anyon notice he was on Salomon's on the last run? They ran out of Reactors.

 
what the fuck. are you guys serious about all those pros demolishing numerous pairs of bindings a day/night. i find that incredibly hard to believe. pros crash cleaner and less often than us, that doesnt make any sense.

'damn son landing switch in pow is like...eating jello with a fork...'
-joemuench
 
that 'this is how many bindings that the pros have broken' shit doesnt mean anything to me. Pros are also alot better than most people and ski alot harder. i demoed the binding and i thought it was sweet. i bet that half the people that fuck theirs up didnt have a shop set them up for them. i know they have the whole 'quickmount' thing, but you should still have a shop set the dins and shit for you. i tried them, the rep knew exactly what he was doing, set it up for me, and i rode them fine. they seemed solid.

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if josh bibby did infact break 4 sets of line bindings i find it pretty impressive that he still made it to the pipe finals. i dunno but someone breaking 4 sets of bindings and still makin it would seem like something the announcers might touch on when he was up... but maybe not. i still wanna try some reactors but to whoever said making a twisting releasing binding was impossible then i guess line did the impossible cause the reactors seem to release like they say they do now line just has to work on making them stronger. line continues to be an amazing inovative ski company and who knows maybe at some point all skis will have a 4 hole mount system like line and more bindings will have a twisting release feature... it may just redefine ski technology

 
i'll back my bro b-wald on this one...........youknow, i was a disbeliver 2 years ago ,myslelf....but you better not knock it at this point..........think about the general concept, the design, what its trying to accomplish.....pretty fuckin ingenious if i say so myself......it may have a few things to work out it the next few years, but i bet you'll be dying to have that binding, or a design much like it a year or two from now.....

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'but you better not knock them at this point'

what is wrong with you guys??? why are you defending a product that is obviously not of high quality?

yes, it is a very cool idea with the quickmount thing and the twisting release or w/e, but the bottom line is that it doesnt matter how revolutionary these bindings are if they fall apart on a daily basis. they are heavy, make your boot about 10 inches away from the ski, and fall apart like its nothing. maybe you guys will believe me when you see someone break a pair.

i will NEVER ride those bindings again, for even a run.

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ecfreeski, your just a pussy. there too heavy??? ya they are heavy but when you ride the they feel just as heavy as any other binding but all the weight is directly underfoot so theres no swing weight at all. look at the look p12s. the toepiece and heelpiece make it so there is swing weight, and i know because i had them for a season. LINE WINS on that one.

does any other bindings pivot with the toe and heel? NO. im almost positive that nobody has gotten a knee injury riding the line binding, correct me if im wrong though. so i guess line wins on that one too.

yes, they may break but they still kick ass. ive broken them but i still ride them. they are the best bindings EVER. and its more like a few CM off the top of the ski. its not really that much higher than the look p12 lifter.

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ecfreeski you are retarted, have you ever even ridden a pair? the weight is so negligable because i couldnt tell the difference between my p10's on my skogens from the reactors on my chronics, the chronics also being heavier skis. weight doesnt really mean shit all skis and bindings are within a certain range that shouldnt affect anybody over 14.

i would bet my life on it that the technology in these bindings is adapted throughout the ski industry and will eventually become the standard for which all bindings are manufactured on.

stop ripping on line for sticking thier necks out and trying something new that, is and will forever be succesful so long as skiing exsists.

'damn son landing switch in pow is like...eating jello with a fork...'
-joemuench
 
ecfreeski.....just for the record, how many pair have YOU broken? Not someone you know, saw or heard of.

Also, I've always refrained from making this point because I don't feel like dealing with all the hate that goes with it but I'm going to now.

How many of your favorite pros have been put out of action with knee injuries? Now stop and think about what binding they were riding at the time of their injury. The trend that you will see in freeskiing is that most of the serious knee injuries are on everyone's beloved Look/Rossi bindings.

Candide, and Pep come to mind right away. Sit and think about it a little and I'm sure you can think of quite a few more.

My point is this. I'm heavier than 90% of you guys and wreck really hard a lot. I have not broken a Line binding yet, but have broken several others. Even if I do break one, my skiing and ability to keep doing so because I don't have a serious knee injury is more important than some broken gear.

 
yes i am such a pussy. that is completely relevant here too.

the weight is not my problem. its the low durability of the bindings that i hate, the weight is just an added bonus. if my post made it seem like my problem was the weight, well then i apologize for being a pussy.

someone asked if i have actually broken a pair, not just heard about it, so here is my story with reactors: i rode a pair for about 30 seconds, and they prereleased landing switch on my first run. and before you give me the 'oh you probably landed switch shitty' etc bit, i can assure you that no other binding, even my old salomons, would not have released then.

about 2 hours later the kid i am riding with breaks the toe piece on his, without even falling. i dont even know what broke it.

4 hours later i watch another kid with reactors fall off a rail, and the entire heelpiece blows off. there is absolutely no excuse for this. it was not even a hard fall.

i support line as much as possible, and i am not just ripping on these bindings because everyone else does. as i said BEFORE, the CONCEPT is good, but the durability sucks ass and there is no arguing that. and the elevation off the ski is negligible, but why would u want that?

bottom line: i'll stick with my p12 jibs

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'yes, they may break but they still kick ass'

i'm truly curious, how can you still feel safe riding these bindings after they broke on you?

i would love a binding that prevented knee injuries, but not if it means i cant even trust the damn things to not break.

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the way i see it is this.

ALL bindings break or malfunction at some point.

Every time somebody has a problem with the line binding somebody feels the need to come on NS and rip it apart.

lets estimate that we get about one thread a dat concerning the line bindings problems which is overly generous to compensate for all of the complaints not posted. out of the 7000 pairs of bindings sold this season that only adds up to 5.21 percent of the people having problems. the industry standard is between 4 and 5.

enough said

'damn son landing switch in pow is like...eating jello with a fork...'
-joemuench
 
Let me first off give a huge thanks to those of you who have respect for and faith in a product and a company that is not trying to follow the status quo. Our only intention with the binding project is to bring a product to the market that offers a skier something new. A choice in release technology, the mounting system, and ski binding design overall. For the record, ski binding release technology at its root has not changed in over 20 years. Lateral release at the toe, vertical release at the heel.

Knee injuries among skiers has gone up since the late 70's while skier participation numbers have declined in total. Further, we've been drilling holes in skis since the 19th century to attach our feet. Snowsports bastard child snowboarding figured out years ago that its stronger, affords the rider more options, allows the rider the freedom to own more than one board w/o having more than one set of bindings, and is just plain smarter to have inserts than wood screws.

I'm the first to admit that our product isn't the best it will ever be right now. Of course we'll learn over the years how to make it better, lighter, stronger, cheaper, but for now at least we're trying.

For the record, our binding doesn't fall apart when you look at it. To the contrary, the numbers to date are quite impressive. With over 4,000 pairs of bindings out ther right now, we've seen less than 200 individual bindings reported with a breakage/warranty issue. That means we have less than 2% failure rate right now. I'm sure some people have had problems with their binding stripping out...that's what over 40% of our returns are right now. If that's the case, we know why that's happening and we're already taking steps to improve upon it. Additionally, we're working with DuPont (world's leader in plastics) to ensure that our molding parameters and actual plastic mix are the absolute best they can be.

With regards to height, I seem to recall a few years back baseless snowboard bindings were all the rage. Every shredder that was worth anything claimed that they needed to feel the snow under their feet. Where are baseless bindings now? They've been replaced with bindings with built in rise, toe and heel ramps, all for more powerful riding and leverage. Of course there's a limit to how high you can go, but a little lift isn't bad.

With regards to weight, if you'd never skied and I handed you a ski boot you'd laugh at me and call me crazy for suggesting you ski in a such an archaic, heavy, piece of equipment. However, as we all know, the weight is under your foot and you don't feel it. Same with our binding. The real issue regarding freestyle ski peformance is swing weight. Luckily, Line builds skis with full length macro-block wood cores. That means we have no plastic tip fill in the ends of skis to slow down your spins. Instead you have ultra light wood.

All in all, I'm totally stoked with the way the first year of the binding has been going. What I'm struggling with is why people on this website have such a hard time accepting that the current bindings are the market are the end-all diety of ski binding design. I wonder how some of you would have reacted eight years ago when people started making skis with a turned up tail on the end for going backwards. Perhaps you would have said skis are fine how they are, these companies making twin tips are crazy...or maybe not.

Peace,

Jordan Judd

Product & Team Manager

Line Skis

 
I have the bindings, and in my opinion, I dont like them at all. I had them set up at a shop, and the dins were all good and stuff. The first run I ate shit from prereleasing on a knole. So I had to turn up the din about 3 more numbers then its supposed to be just so i wont release landing switch. And now the metal where the screws go is cracking. Every other run in the park i have to tighten the middle screws so it doesnt wobble to much. Thats just my opinion, and they were set up just like they're supposed to be.

 
wait u talkin bout the reactors? ya they suck i wouldnt be surprised if someone couldnt figure out how to put them on...jk wat fuckin tards all u do is put in 4 fuckin screws

 
Deezl, I know you were trying to make a point but you were a little off.

Candide was on Salomon when he tore up his knee.

Pep Fujas was on K2/Marker when he tore up his knee.

As someone said earlier Mike Wilson was on Salomon when his knee was torn up.

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Sometimes I ride my friends Chronics with Line bindings and even though he has already broken a pair, I am still convinced that the Line Bindings will be binding future. When i ride his skis i can't even notice the height/weight of them, and the swingweight is next to nothing, they seem really solid, just hopefully they make them stronger.

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-Formerly ~Public-Enemy~
 
To the kids that complain about having to tighten their screws all the time:

Now you know what its like to be a snowboader...So start carring a tool with you.

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