Plot to kidnap Michigan governor Whitmer
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CLQ
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Right wing terrorism has been on the rise in states for the last couple years. Domestic terrorist attacks are super scary and most of them come from the right wing. Instead of being scared of muslims, be scared of those die hard Trump supporters. You are much more likely to be killed by a right wing terrorist than any other sort of terrorist.
ronders_
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14181824:CLQ said:
This is what I've been saying but people get super butthurt. So prepare for the downvotes.
The right wingers are 1) DEADSET serious, 2) sometimes highly trained, 3) in small circles so secrecy is maintained. 4) They are true believers.
They watch an extremely narrow stream of media and take it as 100% truth. And this media just makes them more and more enraged.
Charlie_Kelly
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14181834:ronders_ said:
You ironically describe leftists every time you bring this up.
270on420out
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14181845:Charlie_Kelly said:
D E F L E C T I O N
Charlie_Kelly
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14181846:270on420out said:
B I A S E D
snowfinder
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14181841:r00kie said:
baseless? Do you not know whats going on in the usa?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/nyregion/cesar-sayoc-trump-mail-bomber.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/28/us/charlottesville-car-attacker-sentencing/index.html
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/cr...0201005-bvxpsegp5jdrnkhtlnr42ymmma-story.html
ronders_
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14181845:Charlie_Kelly said:
Yea except the leftists I know actually very much dislike the media. The Right wingers I know pretend like they dislike the media, but they believe their own pundits like gospel. Example Tucker Carlson, OAN. So no, it's not the same.
Let me know when Leftists plot to kidnap and kill Greg Abbott. Bet you'd be reeeeee'ing then
r00kie
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14181849:snowfinder said:
[tag=255817]@CLQ[/tag] claims right terrorism has been on the rise the last couple years, I would like to see some numbers to back that up. Not saying it doesn't happen and I'm certainly not endorsing it. We could also find similar stories that you posted, just going the other way. Would just like to see some facts from someone making statements.
CLQ
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14181841:r00kie said:
"Baseless claim" isn't a buzzword used by the left to discredit right wing talking points, it actually has meaning. The claim is based on FACT. FACTS DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS.
"A report he co-authored recorded 14 terrorist incidents, including attacks and disrupted plots, from Jan. 1 to May 8. Thirteen of them were classified as right-wing, and the other was recorded as being religiously motivated in the context of jihadism."
UN Report:
https://www.un.org/sc/ctc/wp-conten...s_Alert_Extreme_Right-Wing_Terrorism_JULY.pdf
NBC Article:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jihadist-plots-used-be-u-s-europe-s-biggest-terrorist-n1234840
Charlie_Kelly
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14181851:ronders_ said:
Ah so what you posted is just simply subjective. Gotcha.
r00kie
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14181855:CLQ said:
Hey look, clq actually backed up a claim, now let's talk about it. The UN report only mentions rises in concern regarding right-wing attacks and cites some traffic numbers for far right internet communities. That would be like saying skiing must be a dying sport since traffic and NS is lower than it was in the past. The NBC report mentions numbers as high as 90% of terrorism is done by right wing political motivations. While some is for sure done under that ideal, 90% is crazy given antifas damage of late. Would love to see the report on how they got that number.
ronders_
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14181855:CLQ said:
Don't even try. Right wingers could start publicly executing political opponents and they'd still be calling it a "baseless claim" that's "subjective" with "no evidence"
Facts don't care about your feelings, but their feelings don't care about facts.
They have already foregone the conclusion that the Left is inherently evil commies and the Right is the force of good that is gonna cleanse us of these green haired fucks
snowfinder
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https://www.npr.org/2020/09/03/9091...-dhs-officials-comments-on-domestic-terrorism14181875:r00kie said:
Charlie_Kelly
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14181851:ronders_ said:
14181872:ronders_ said:What was subjective? The fact that the FBI stopped a plot to kidnap the governor of Michigan?
Your first post was entirely subjective...
“Yeah bro all the leftists I know love the MSM and their warped reporting of the ‘facts’ and all the right-wingers I know hate the media and don’t trust anything they say”.
Once again I was just responding to how silly that last little bullet point was because it could very easily be applied to both sides, but you act like it’s only “right-wingers”. And you’ve done it in other threads as well. I’m not denying the OP happened lol.
Charlie_Kelly
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14181880:ronders_ said:
Hahahaha you are just as bad as you claim us to be and you don’t even see it. It’s hilarious.
Charlie_Kelly
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14181893:ronders_ said:
“Baseless claims” “subjective”. Fuck outta here Ms. Passive Aggressive.
They’re about as truthful as Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo. I’m really having a hard time figuring out if you are actually delusional or not.
ronders_
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14181894:Charlie_Kelly said:
I'm glad you think they aren't trustworthy. I have multiple family members who have gone off the deep end and believe everything the right wing pundits say. It's bad, to the point they are very difficult to talk to about anything. That's why I have the view on that that I do
Charlie_Kelly
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14181903:ronders_ said:
Understandable. I don’t subscribe to the MSM on the whole because they are incredibly biased in their reporting. CNN is just as bad as Fox imo.
270on420out
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14181921:Charlie_Kelly said:
Ok so now I’m curious. What’s your idea of an unbiased news outlet?
Charlie_Kelly
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14181926:270on420out said:
AP and Reuter’s come to mind.
CLQ
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14181875:r00kie said:
"When anti-fascists are linked to violence, it's typically fistfights and vandalism at protests. In fact, domestic terrorism numbers show that far-right extremists killed at least 38 people last year. For antifa, the death toll was one - the attacker himself, Van Spronsen. Shortly before his death, he posted an album online. He called it his manifesto."
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/22/8943...pe-the-story-behind-antifas-only-fatal-attack
Michigan_Sucks
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14181824:CLQ said:
No way in hell is this guy, one of the 6 arrested, Right Wing
ronders_
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14181939:Michigan_Sucks said:
I don't think an anarchy flag tells that he is or is not on the right or left, more like radical libertarian ("anarchism will lead to the natural order through the survival of the fittest, the weak will perish" )
Anarchism is kind of like a third dimension that can be added onto the political spectrum
We're just gonna have to wait for more info
CLQ
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SuspiciousFish
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14181880:ronders_ said:
Antifa/BLM literally assassinated a Trump supporter in Portland.
Antifa/BLM executed a teen in CHAZ Seattle
Antifa/BLM Murdered an 8 yr old girl in CHAZ Atlanta
Antifa/BLM murdered a Black Trump supporter in Milwaukee
Antifa/BLM Murdered a lady in Indiana for saying "All Lives Matter"
A crazy leftists tried to assassinate the President with Ricin
How many people have been killed and damage done by right wing extremists in the last few years? I dont see right wing extremists burning down businesses or harassing people in cars and shutting down roads or threatening people with bats in restaurants or throwing rocks at houses or marching through residential zones late at night playing loud music and yelling at people.
The group who tried to kidnap the governor are anarchists btw.
CLQ
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14181955:SuspiciousFish said:
All faux news bullshit points. "Literally assassinated" as in the Trump supporter went running at someone spraying pepper spray and the man defended himself. It's almost like you don't even care about the second amendment rights and why people should own guns.
Anyway in the last few years? Dozens have died from right wing terrorist attacks.
2020: Kenosha Shootings 2 dead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest
2019: El Paso Walmart, targeted because a high amount of minioritys shopped there. 23 dead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_El_Paso_shooting
2018: Pittsburg Synagogue shooting, 11 dead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting
2017: Charlottesville Car Attack, 1 dead, 28 injured
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville_car_attack
[video]https://youtu.be/czc428jdZgo?t=17[/video]
The left has not had anything even remotely close to any of that in recent times, riots are not acts of terrorism. The right is full of terrorists.
Charlie_Kelly
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14181960:CLQ said:
Did I miss the part in your Wikipedia article post that said Rittenhouse was right-wing?
steeze_louise
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There is no such thing as a unbiased news source, Almost all media today just preys on peoples confirmation bias, expose yourself to both sides news sources. Often times both sides will come up with reasonable points but will also come up with unhinged theories. They are all trying so hard to score points over each other and by doing so they are exposing their own lies. Everyone is convinced that the "other side" is evil, which is completely retarded. I personally am not scared of right wing extremists at all because the right can call them out and will not support them, The feds have effectively shuts them down. OP case in point. I am more worried about the left because leftist people in power will refuse to go after their own side and they will not shut them down. The mob burns down cities and get praised for "social justice". ANTIFA is a terrorist organisation they project their own traits on others because they cant admit to them selfs that they are the real fascists.
SuspiciousFish
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14181960:CLQ said:
Yes, he was stalked and literally assassinated:
Kyle Rittenhouse did not shoot a single person who did not attack him first.
Mass shooting like what you listed are acts of deranged individuals. But if you want to start listing them you should include Dayton Ohio where Connor Bretts had a twitter feed full of far left ideology:
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/el...ugust-2019/h_c3fe4a1d2b04da849422f817647227ab
Regarding the Charlottesville car attack, yeah the guy was a Nazi asshole but if you look at the footage it looks like the protesters surrounded and threatened him and he panicked and hit the gas. If he really wanted to kill people why did he stop and not just keep running people over?
Compare that to BLM that literally hunted down and tried to kill a Prius driver:
WoFIowz
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So a big reason is you could easily kill someone or likely cause serious burns by pouring hot tar on them.
And why the fuck are people arguing in this thread. This is fucking bookoo bonkers. Sure hope this sort of antigovernment activity doesn't ramp up considering the political climate. Could get real dark these next few months if so
14181827:ronders_ said:
And why the fuck are people arguing in this thread. This is fucking bookoo bonkers. Sure hope this sort of antigovernment activity doesn't ramp up considering the political climate. Could get real dark these next few months if so
Charlie_Kelly
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14181966:ronders_ said:
Interesting for sure, the reason I asked is because I hadn’t heard he was even in a militia. It didn’t seem like he was out there to push an agenda, I think he probably got fed up seeing property being destroyed and wanted to do something about it (obviously not end up killing people) but I’ll never know because I’m not him.
That being said said there have been actual white supremacists that went out with the sole intention of killing people (Dylann Roof anyone?) but I personally don’t think Rittenhouse got up that morning with any intention of taking a life.
SuspiciousFish
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14181979:Charlie_Kelly said:
Here is a really good video of what went down that night:
ronders_
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"According to a 2017 Government Accountability Office report, 73% of violent extremist incidents that resulted in deaths since September 12, 2001 were caused by right-wing extremist groups."
I'm not suggesting Left wing terrorism doesn't exist, I condemn all acts of terrorism. This shouldn't be a dick measuring contest of how many examples we can find on google. we could do that all day.
Right wing attacks both happen more often and when they do happen, they are far deadlier than left wing attacks on average.
I'm looking at the government figures. Not some sort of CNN op-ed.
I'm not suggesting Left wing terrorism doesn't exist, I condemn all acts of terrorism. This shouldn't be a dick measuring contest of how many examples we can find on google. we could do that all day.
Right wing attacks both happen more often and when they do happen, they are far deadlier than left wing attacks on average.
I'm looking at the government figures. Not some sort of CNN op-ed.
DesertStix
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You don’t even have to really “kidnap” Abbott, just switch the brakes on his wheel chair off and you’re home free. Gotta love the Governor who got rich off a lawsuit for the accident he’s in a chair for and turns around and enforces tort reform law in the same state effectively banning anyone else from doing exactly what he did.
14181851:ronders_ said:
BigPurpleSkiSuit
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Just remember that when you argue with people on the internet you do nothing more than reaffirm that they must be right and everyone against them is just dead wrong.
SuspiciousFish
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14182000:BigPurpleSkiSuit said:
Yeah I admit this is 100% me.
T.L.
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14181935:CLQ said:
Remember that time James Hodgkinson shot up a congressional baseball game? Remember Rand Paul being physically assaulted by his wacko socialist neighbor? Remember Andy Ngo being assaulted by antifa? Remember Antifa showing up to Cassandra Fairbanks's house and launching mortars at her windows and allegedly shooting at her house with her kid home? Remember Ted Wheeler being run out of his condo as they tried to ignite the ground floor? Remember the plot to put acid gas in the ventilation system at a 2016 inauguration event? Remember when the feds caught one of the leaders of Antifa trying to buy guns from cartel associates in Mexico? Remember the bike lock basher? Remember the execution of a Trump supporter in Portland a few months ago? Remember all the fires they've set over the last 6 months causing billions in property damage? Remember the kid they executed in CHAZ? Remember the SDS and The Weather Underground planting bombs all over the place in the late 60's and 70's?
yeah, just fist fights and vandalism from the left... There's enough violence dished out on both ends of the extremist spectrum and the far left has plenty on their rap sheet.
