Petition to legalize and regulate marijuana just like alcohol

the exact same argument could be used for cigarettes. every time you smoke, its to get a nicotine fix. however, you are not hurting anyone other than yourself by smoking in the allowed places. smokers contribute large sums of tax dollars to the government, and the industry keeps lots of people working. nobody wants to seriously consider making cigarettes illegal because consumption of cigarettes would be almost impossible to stop, and the government is making money off of smokers and the working members of the industry. it is heavily regulated, but recognized as impractical to actually make tobacco illegal.

whats the difference? weed is better for you than cigarettes. almost the entire weed business (a multi billion dollar industry) is still underground.

i would rather have a few more stoned people around and not have local, state and federal governments spending my tax money fighting common citizens and allowing money to be given to criminals.

 
i disagree. up until recently, there was a strong majority of the country in favor of pot staying illegal, but some recent polls are showing that majority to be slipping, or even non existent.

i think that until recently it would be political suicide to advocate legalization in most parts of the country, but now its not so clear. politicians are unsure if americans accept it as a means to save money, but more than that they just cannot tell where the partisan lines are on the issue anymore. i think that the more people in congress, on the left and the right, see the public spelling out a simple means to cut some spending and even increase revenue, the more they will be swayed.

i think this topic hasn't been brought up enough in federal government, and the more attention it gets, even if it is a silly petition, the stronger the movement. keep in mind that prop 19 started as a simple petition. granted its only on the state level but nonetheless its a good sign.
 
This thread is dumb. IF you think this petition is going to do anything go for it.

Unfortunately the situation is much worse and goes far deeper.

Marijuana will not be legal any time even remotely soon
 
oh please. smoking in your own house, or within 50 feet of a public building isn't hurting people any more than a campfire or car exhaust or the shitty air quality in a lot of cities.

if you're getting second hand smoke from someone you live with, well that sucks for you, but its not the governments job to make that person a criminal. i'm making a case for why pot legalization would be no worse than tobacco remaining legal, but if you want the government making either of those illegal than by all means make your argument.
 
I was talking about the "everytime you smoke it's to get a nicotine fix" brah. Ignorant statement. As for the second hand smoke part, wasn't even gonna say anything about that, misquoted your text.
 
well i smoked cigarettes for a little over a year, i haven't had one in three months tho. while the taste and the excuse to go outside to get away from people was nice, the nicotine fix is all i was really after. i realized that after i quit, and i'm guessing most smokers/ex-smokers agree with me that the thing that keeps you smoking and buying packs is the nicotine addiction.
 
I smoked for over a year as well. Statistically, the activity of smoking contributes more to the addiction than Nicotine.

I think the point that I'm trying to make is that most of the people in this thread are speaking from personal experience, with no prior knowledge of legitimate facts. Not only that, but they're turning their personal experiences into facts and it just comes off as ignorant. I'm not saying I'm an expert on any of these subjects by any means, nor am I trying to single anybody out. I just think that if you're going to make a valid argument about something, you damn well better base it on facts and hard evidence.
 
To post a real response to your extreme ignorance or to let this thread be.......

"lol not knowing the definition of addiction

lol comparing weed to food

lol at horrible attempts to defer my opinion."

I see that as a challenge/ being a cocky noob.

Where to start.

alcohol and marijuana aren't the same. let's legalize heroin.

Yes you are right about that. Marijuana and alcohol are not the same, that's fucking obvious though. But both SHOULD be legal. As far as your statements about heroin, yes HEROIN SHOULD BE LEGAL TOO. We can go down the route of personal choice but it's quite plausible you would just say blah blah they don't have the right blah blah.

Instead venture down the road of prohibition. Prohibition is an absolute failure. prohibition hasn't work, it doesn't work. Prohibition fails on so many levels it's ridiculous.

Prohibition failed with alcohol. The booze didn't disappear, it just made the people drinking criminals. It also brought in organized crime to try and get a piece of the money that was now out there to be made.

The big pharmy companies don't want drugs to be legal. They don't want people to be able to medicate themselves. They would loose a shit ton of money if drugs became legal.

You could smoke weed for 10-20 a gram(which would be vastly lower if legal) or you could pay up the ass for something like marinol. You can't use heroin but you can pay up the ass for oxy's. Don't even try to pull the "pharmaceuticals aren't really drugs deal" That mentality is so fucking ignorant on so many levels.

The money that is generated in the black market sector by our failed prohibition policy is funneled into organized crime networks. Where would the cartels get there money without drug sales. How would gangs be able to afford guns without the ability to sell drugs on the street. If you legalize it, it takes the $ out of the equation. Instead that money through taxation could be used to get us out of this economic shit storm we find ourselves in.

Give me your best reasons for keeping the drug war as is. I'd love to hear them.

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"i think the reasons pot should stay illegal are obvious

you smoke why? to get high.

do you necessarily drink to get drunk? no."

I smoked all through highschool. When i was at school i didn't smoke to get high. It helped me focus better than any pill they prescribed could. I smoked after school because that worked better than the depression meds they gave me.

A lot of people smoke to relax, same as many people drink.

As far as smoking to get high, which most people do. What the fuck is wrong with that. WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH THEIR OWN BODY. Does it hurt you in anyway if I smoke a bowl?

"when you drink to get drunk, every time, you're an addict. when you smoke pot to get high every time, i think that makes you an addict too. inb4 shit storm and thread deletion. "

When you post ignorant shit all the time you're an idiot.

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"problem today being, corruption, so if you let a power do what it wants, and virtually tell yourself your opinions don't matter, and you are powerless, then you basically kiss your rights goodbye. i believe care2. and i do see a lot of progress because of it. whether it's the petitions, or just the activists themselves, shit does change. i'm not prepared to believe every single thing i read there is bullshit propaganda. that's just excessive."

what about corruption and rights? You're saying you don't have the right to do what you want with your own body. The government SHOULD NOT BE A FUCKING BABYSITTER. I put this in the same boat as the seatbelt law. It disgusts me that the government is telling me that I have to wear a seatbelt. If something happens it's all on me, nobody else is getting hurt. We need to stop this babysitter style government. We need to get government out of areas where it doesn't belong. big government has a history of fucking things up. In this era with our economy in such a shit spot, you'd think we could agree to scale back a little. that's a whole different issue though.

It seems everything you "know" about the drug war is heavily influenced by propaganda.

Really didn't go over any of this. If you don't get thew point, let me know what the problem is. I'd love to hear you try to argue how the drug war is a success, or that all drugs should remain illegal.

I know this is a waste in a thread like this but it almost hurts me to see such ignorance. We need some sort of renaissance of thought. Bring back independent thinking. Do something at some point to try to at least scale down the ignorance that has taken such a strong grasp on the good old us of a.
 
You pretty much just made my exact same argument.....and you had argued with me about it.......
 
I wasn't really arguing with you I was just saying that personal experience does mean something.

I mean eye witness accounts in court. That sort of thing. We learn real shit through first hand experience
 
Oh well yeah I agree with you on that, I was in no way saying it counts for nothing. My point was more about the way people were using it in their arguments here.
 
I was just sort of arguing it. Didn't really think that was what you thought 100%. Just took the opportunity to jump in.

And butteredtoast. Once in a while I decide to come out and say something useful on nsg. Usually certain posts push my buttons and give me no choice.
 
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If you want it legalized so badly just move on up to Canada, it's already practically legal here.
 
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Addiction - "the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma. "

I don't see how casual recreational use falls under that category.

It's one thing if you feel the need to smoke weed on a daily (or even hourly) basis to maintain a comfortable state of being... it's another entirely if you smoke purely for recreation, and feel no physical or psychological attachment to the act of smoking other than the appeal of the pleasure derived from smoking.

I like backcountry skiing. I do it because I enjoy it. People die backcountry skiing. I don't have the statistics, but I would assume there are more deaths due to recreational backcountry skiing than recreational marijuana usage (direct and indirect, to be fair to those that claim gang related deaths and car crashes). I have weighed the pros (pleasure derived from the act) and the cons (skiing is an inherently dangerous act, the danger of which is increased by skiing out of bounds), and have decided that the rewards are worth the risks. I would think that many casual marijuana smokers do the same, and I think that they should be able to enjoy smoking recreationally (in a safe and well thought-out manner) as people enjoy drinking recreationally.

Would I be a little upset if I could never ski fresh pow again? I should say so. Would I go into violent convulsions and become physically ill if I were separated from it? No.

I think people use "addiction" as a cop out for justifying their shitty habits without having to take responsibility for them. That's all.
 
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Neither party in the US gov't gives a flying fuck what the people of the country wants.
 
Ignorance is the problem. We've united in some cases but the basis was ignorance.

If we as people put no effort into actually learning some shit, how can we expect to ever be fighting for a real worthy cause.

Ignorance isn't bliss, it's fucking slavery.
 
The biggest problem is that so many people (and yes, many of the NS crowd fall in this group) say "Legalize weed cause it's fun to smoke!" which COMPLETELY ignores the real reason it's illegal. It's illegal cause of the paper industry.
 
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