OFFICIAL Election Thread

WHAT THE FUCKING HELL? if you want to go one on one, name it, ill tango.

you think you can come in here and call me a sore loser and talking points repeater?

lets go, what do you want to discuss? ill give you a straight answer.
 
Ya some of us risk excommunication and actually think for ourselves once in a while. Novel idea...
 
Okay? good for you, but just in case you havne't noticed the way a certain people who operate in a manner such that you identify yourself with, have really pissed a lot of people off for 8years.

perhaps take it as a glimpse into their position.
 
I do, though. Because I want to make it clear that yourselves, the people who have already staked out the base of opposition to the next administration mere hours after its election... your choice to become the party of intolerance, the party that yells "Hussein!" "Terrorist!" "Kill Him!"... that party has failed miserably, and now the right wing in the USA has two options: narrow themselves and further consolidate that intolerant base, or discard it and reinvent the party. I hope they do the latter and I hope that rather than focussing on bitter resentment and hate towards this next administration, you refocus on these internal problems and restrict your criticisms to those that have real grounds. Because the Obama presidency will make mistakes, and they will need to be questioned on these mistakes. But not in the way that people have been undercutting each other for the last eight years, certainly not before he's done anything whatsoever wrong. Keep your disagreements constructive and civil, not bilious and hateful, or resign yourselves to the margins you've been relegated to tonight.

The prop 8 vote in CA does not leave me optimistic for the conservative ideology's future.
 
what ever, im done here.

to make sure you and I see eye to eye, lets get one thing clear, you do NOT refer to me as "you fucking people" "your party" stuff like that. attack me on my posts, go for it, but you have very little idea of what i am and who i am. so lets end it here, capiche?
 
That's what you've been up until this day. You're the one who posted the "Obama kids" as some sort of display of "mind control" and serious basis to consider voting against the guy. You've scare mongered, whined, bitched and moaned all the way to this day.

And on this day, you've said that Obama "bought" the election and said, quote, "FUCK MY LIFE".

Talking points repeater. The American people saw through your bullshit and voted on the issues.

Sore loser. This wasn't even close, and you think things were "bought".

Quote: "what NS do you go on? EVERYONE rides obama's you know what."

Oh, and you're scary. "is racism over now? good." Not even close.

"WHAT THE FUCK? you brought this on, YOU opened this can of worms. "

You retaliated. If you're the martyr you think you are, you'd have taken the hit and shone through example. Too late.
 
i dont believe i said obama bought this election, i asked if the republicans had spent this much money wouldnt it be an issue?

you dont find it scary what the Obama kids were doing? i would NEVER do that sort of thing, no matter who the person was.

fuck my life. joke

is racism over?
 
scary isnt it, but hey atleast i have a pulse. i hear those dead people really love voting in chicago.

i feel i asked a valid question, is racism considered over now? something like a projected 55% of americans voted for a black man. ( a non issue and i have said as much many a time)

so is America no longer racist?
 
Hey, remember like 5 posts ago when skiminnesota said he was done here? Good times. Good times.
 
hey JD im done when people stop questioning my right to vote, and lumping me in with people and assuming shit about me.

o these little dick comments dont really help to shut me up either.
 
oh my god Drew, my respect for you just went from about 99 to 0, you dont deserve to be a poli sci major. go fuck yourself. you are absolute garbage. fuck your response...i wont say anything back.
 
no. america is still racist. and will be. for a long time

and yeah dead people vote alot. we coined the phrase vote early vote often hahaha
 
I hope that you are aware that if it passes it was because of the large turn out of black voters this time around.
 
few things i've learned through this election.
Democrats love sharing who their voting for. Jesus Christ I swear I got asked 10 times today who I voted for. My response. McCain. all they say is OMG WTF! WHY! have a little respect for someone else's opinion. I also love how whenever a republican on here gives their views they get fucking hated on for bringing a point to the table.
As much as I did not want Obama to win for the sake of my parents business, I'm interested to see the democrats finally put their money where their mouth is. So much complaining the last 8 years. now its their turn to try something. (and I'm not saying that I agreed with all the stuff bush did)
If Obama can pull us out of the problems were having now. Good for him. I'de be happy. I wish him the best of luck.

interesting email I got...George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.
A little over one year ago: 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high; 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
5) American's were buying new cars,taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!... But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST YEAR: 1) consumer confidence has plummeted ; 2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!; 3)Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase); 4)Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices still dropping; 5)1% of American homes are in foreclosure. 6)as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~
$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!

 
see guys, ben answered my question! yay! ben!

or we can pull a "you're allowed to vote" move.

hummm i dont know about this, tricky choice.
 
not really.

I just got horrible news from Santiago today. A good friend of mine got shot in the neck earlier this morning and died. This Obama thing is nothing to me right now.
 
wow, coming from a republican-

abortion-do what you gotta do

gays-do what you like

i just hate everyone right now, pretty much. barrack wins due to hs seniors to college sophomores who are 75% uneducated. congrats.
 
hey, im quite liberal, if you want to say it, GO FOR IT. i can appreciate a joke.

i find it ironic that "fuck my life" (a common phrase after super bad right?) gets such scrutiny yet telling a whole political party to suck one's genitalia does not get the same scrutiny. hmmmmmm
 
haha i hate to do this to you drew, but.

so your level of education somehow discredits someone else's opinion?

i dont know about you, but in the country i live in you dont need to have a college degree next to your name to be considered credible.

just saying. haha
 
and mine isn't? once again, you don't know anything about me, you are immature, you are condescending, you aren't as smart as you think you are. stop posting until you are willing to post an acceptable and moderate argument rather than just take no opinion but your own.

stop using your poli sci major as an excuse to post anything and feel intelligent, i know so many people who could tear you apart without effort on your arguments, it is ridiculous....stop thinking your are the smartest kid of all time. this is a site full of monkeys. have fun.
 
just posted this in another thread but it's still relevant.

As we decide who to vote for - let's all try and understand at least one

common issue - basic bar stool economics.

Econ 101

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten

comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it

would go

something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

The fifth would pay $1.

The sixth would pay $3.

The seventh would pay $7.

The eighth would pay $12.

The ninth would pay $18.

The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every

day

and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one! day, t h e owner

threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers, he said,

'I'm

going to reduce the cost of your daily beer b y $20. Drinks for the ten

now

cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes, so

the

first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But

what

about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide

the

$20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized

that

$20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from

everybody's

share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid

to

drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to

reduce

each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out

the

amounts each should pay.

And so: The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100%

savings)

The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).

The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).

T he eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).

The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).

The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued

to

drink for free. But once outside the restaurant the men began to compare

their savings.

'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed

to

the tenth man,' but he got $10!'

'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar,

too.

It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'

'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back

when I

got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'

'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get

anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat

down

and ! had bee rs without him. But when it came time to pay the bill,

they

discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between

all of

them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our

tax

system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit

from

a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and

they

just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking

overseas

where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.

Professor of Economics, University of Georgia

Also check these:

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB122463231048556587-lMyQjAxMDI4MjI0MzYyMzMyWj.html

and

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB122455099434052597-lMyQjAxMDI4MjI0MjUyNTIwWj.html



As someone who remains to this day neutral (only people I really dislike in this election are Palin and Biden) on the basis that I hate this whole system we've developed (bi-partisan voting has rendered the whole process useless and ridiculous), I tend to find democrats more obnoxious. Thats not to say that republicans cant be assholes either. But in the midst of an argument, Ive had far more dems try and make personal attacks or flip out if i started to disagree with them. There are actual psych studies out there (cant remember the source, ill find it later from my class notes) that prove that dems are a) more unhappy with.... everything. Not just politics. and b) tend to argue more violently. Ironic I suppose.

That being said Im very interested to see what transpires. If things go to shit Im movin to whistler.
 
I didn't read the whole thread but I'm pretty stoked for Obama.

There seemed to be greater voter turnout than Canada's! Not too surprising, actually!
 
Some might go further than that... and respectfully disregard you.

From MarketWatch.com

Wall Street's choice is Obama too

1:06 AM EST November 5, 2008

NEW

YORK (MarketWatch) -- You have to wonder if we are too high on

ourselves, that we're setting ourselves and our soon-to-be president up

for a fall.

The good news is that we can worry about it later.

If

you think Wall Street didn't want Barack Obama to win Tuesday, you've

probably been listening to the business media too much. You've probably

heard that Republicans are the real friends of business, and that the

market was building in a discount because a tax-and-spend Democrat was

ahead in the polls.

Well, a Republican is sitting in the White House today and business is not exactly thriving.

The

bottom line is that Wall Street is really not all that different that

the rest of America that voted for Barack Obama to be the next leader

of this nation.

Wall Street is worrying about reform and what

it might do to profit. It's worrying about preserving a way of doing

business and about how the new model will work. Americans are worried

about their jobs, their wealth and the direction the country is headed.

They

are similar problems, but not the same. They do, however, require the

same kind of candidate. It's the candidate that electorates usually

choose in times of crisis: the one who best conveys strong leadership

and most importantly: confidence.

Losing confidence

During

the past 18 months of deep economic tumult, the ultimate cause of

failures and losses in the financial world was confidence.

Bear

Stearns and Lehman Brothers weren't felled because they broke some set

of rules. It wasn't that they upended the investment banking business

model. They collapsed because their clients, customers, investors and

lenders lost confidence.

The toxic securities held across Wall Street -- the mortgage-linked derivatives that have brought storied firms such as Citigroup Inc. and Morgan Stanley to their knees -- aren't worthless because they aren't producing returns, it's because investors have lost confidence in them.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?

The mortgage giants were brought down by investors who had lost

confidence and would no longer accept returns that the

government-sponsored entities would pay on their bonds.

As the

dominos of doubt kept falling we began to question one another. It was

a recipe for panic. On Aug. 11, the S&P 500 Index closed at

1,305.32. Less than 10 weeks later, on Oct. 27, it stood at 848.92 - a

decline of 34%.

If that's not a panic driven by a lack of confidence then there's still hope McCain can win California.

Drastic measures

Many

Americans may not understand exactly why Wall Street needs a $700

billion bailout. They may not understand why its financial institutions

are failing and need to be nationalized like in some Eastern bloc state

in the 1950s.

But they do know that they don't have to know what

credit default swaps are if they have a smart, optimistic president who

surrounds himself with smart people. The thinking goes, if the smart

guy is positive we can make it through this mess, then I am too.

Wall

Street is looking for the same thing. Individual donors on Wall Street

would not have contributed more than $11 million to Obama through Oct.

19 if they thought the guy would do them in with draconian taxes. Obama

received 43% more than McCain from the securities and investment

industry, according to Federal Election Commission data.

In the

end, this election was about confidence. Obama inspired it. His

opponent, Sen. John McCain, didn't really come close. This is no slam

against the Republican nominee. Either of these guys would be an

improvement on an administration that couldn't change with the times.

Neither

candidate has spelled out the painful measures that need to taken to

shore up the financial system. The omission is understandable. Voters

don't want to hear that the budget won't be balanced or that the

healthcare system isn't suddenly going to become plentiful and cheap

for everyone.

That's OK. The know-how to do the job is important, but faith can move mountains
 
That's because it went down like this

"Hey wanna have an election next week?"

"Sure, put out an ad in the paper let people know."

Our elections are like garage sales,
 
McCain's concession speech was good. Between the financial collapse and his ring handlers running his show the way they did, he got shot in the foot big-time. Very honorable speech from him last night and pretty low of the attendees to boo like that.

As for Obama's speech last night... Insanely good. We will see what he can do, but overall, I think his BIGGEST asset will be in repairing our tattered reputation with foreign countries. Afterall, the president is not the end all be all of political choices. His biggest job is to be a visible figurehead. We will see what happens.

As for the nation, we took 2 steps forward, and one step back today. Sure, we voted in a black man into presidency; at the same time, many states around the country threw ignorance and blind hatred right back into the ring by opposing same-sex marriages or other rights to same sex couples.
 
I have to tip my hat to the man. He is going to lead the country I live in and I can do nothing but support him and show him respect. Congratulations Mr. Obama.
 
this thread should no longer be going on, its turned into like 3 or 4 people bitching each other out over their "political views" the fact of the matter is, Obama won, McCain lost, and thank god for that, i can honestly say i lose a little respect for everyone who voted for McCain because they walked into the polls and honestly thought that if anything happened to McCain, i.e. he dies from incredible old fucking age or whatever, that Sarah Palin would make a great president of the country you live in. Not only is she probably the least qualified person to lead this country but she gives women, especially women trying to improve equal rights regardless of gender, an awful name. So everyone who voted McCain/Palin, you voted just as much for her as him, so fuck you all and thank god Obama and Biden will be running this country and cleaning up the shit we're in now.
 
+karma

seriously, drew, i like you and respect your knowledge, but honestly, your act is tiring. like this kid said, you don't know anything about most of the people you claim superiority over. you need to accept that people come from different lifestyles and the basis of their arguments are, in most cases, well placed due to where they are in life and what's best for them. your opinion isn't wrong, it just fits you.

i could be any kind of theorist i wanted and study up as much as you do, write papers, make it my major, whatever. poli science isn't my major, but if it was i'd have the information you convey here X10 at my fingertips; as do you i'm sure. your well-spoken and educated demeanor only get's you halfway, and believe me, you've earned all 50%, but it's not enough.

sooner or later you have to start accepting other people's opinions. the people who prance around demanding "Fuck Obama, NObama, etc.." deserve to be descredited, but so do those who cry out the same about McCain. (i won't even go into the reasons about 10 people i know said they voted Obama)...but whatever.

anyways, enjoy your throne for the next 4 years...i'm sure you'll savor all of it, and i hope you and the rest of America made the right choice, i really do. but stop claiming and shooting down any agrument that even teeters on crossing yours; it's arrogant, close-minded and most of all, old.
 
By the time Obama makes his way into office this whole economy crisis will have started to roll back, and he will get credit for it. So little of this stuff depends directly on the president, but the nation successfully divides into civil war every time something bad happens.
 
99% of the time i would not say that. infringing on others rights to marry who they like, something that is unconstitutional in my book, is the 1% where they warrant that statement. im sorry but what he said was ignorant, intolerant, and as i said, unconstitutional.
 
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