Obama bypassing congress to make sricter gun laws....

lol!!!! you said you would not try to defend yourself against tyranny because you believe that even if you fight against it, you will lose lol. that is what makes you a spineless coward.
 
oh. no. i said that working under the assumption that we were talking about a specific situation that you couldn't hope to win, not as a general principle. in most cases, whenever you have a chance of winning, yeah, of course you should fight tyranny. sorry for that confusion too.
 
back when i first said that? no. we were talking about the hypothetical situation of the u.s. army turning on it's citizens, and under the assumption that they would win whether or not u.s. citizens were armed. or at least i was. if you weren't, then, again, sorry for the confusion.
 
Lol you think I care if that picture is fake? Stop trying to act like you know so much, you're 15 for gods sake...

Leaders who took away guns from the people:

Hitler (Germany)

from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Stalin (Soviet Union)

From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. By 1987 that figure had risen to 61,911,000.

Mussolini

Mao Tze Tung (china)

From 1948 to 1952 10,076,000 political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated in Kuomintang China, and by 1987 another 35,236,000 exterminations were carried out under the Communists.

Pol Pot (cambodia)

Between 1975 and 19793, 2,035,000 “educated” people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

During the short four years of its rule in Cambodia, Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge government murdered over 31 percent of the entire Cambodian population.

Castro (Cuba)

Hugo Chavez

Karl Marx

 
who has developed such a test? no one, some people are just plain evil, and that you cannot predict with any test, and obviously if a killer wants to beat the test they are going to lie about their answers to keep from failing.
 
the part that i said it. you said and ihe then went back to his car to go grab a gun out of his glove compartment. i then said if some one said to me im going to back to my car to get my gun and i was in my car i would then drive away not stay and pull out my gun for a fire fight which is what your dad or uncle did (which i don't believe you btw). no idea how that you got OMG when someone has a gun and is in your house you shouldn't have a gun too. but as always you never have a real argument so you make shit up good job.
 
You think running baseline tests are going to crack these people?

James Holmes was dressed as a police officer, there was premeditation. He was a goddamn phd candidate for neuroscience. You think some test is going to fool those who REALLY want to kill? They're going to be smart enough to beat it.
 
I have no idea what the point of this post is, but you asked the question how many mentally ill people can fool a psychological testing. That's actually a very good question and, Being that I'm not a psychologist I like to see you statistic on it.
 
i think it would be pretty easy to fool a psych test. it sorta depends. someone born crazy and evil wouldnt be able to because they will just be an absolute nut job. but somebody who had a normal life than totally snapped and made some kick ass plan to shoot up a bunch of people, theres no stopping him.

I just think about myself. What if i got so fed up with people and society that i just wanted to kill a shit ton of people. No mental test would stop me. Id answer every question how i know every question is supposed to be answered, then theyd hand me my AK and id start wasting people.

i think most people who wanna kill a bunch of people think an a whole different level than us regular folk. not necessarily smarter, just different. they would know how to get what they want
 
i don't know. it's a good question. on the flip side, do you really think that someone who is disturbed enough to want to kill a whole bunch of people they have never met before in their life is going to be able to hide it?

from Holmes' wikipedia page:

"Holmes' defense attorneys claimed in a motion he was a "psychiatric patient" of the medical director of Anschutz's Student Mental Health Services prior to the Aurora shooting; however, the prosecution disagrees with that claim.[42][43] Four days after the release of the defense attorney's motion, the judge required this information to be blacked out.[44] CBS News later reported that Holmes met with at least three mental health professionals at the University of Colorado prior to the massacre.[45]

Some of Holmes' acquaintances suspected prior to the shooting that Holmes suffered from mental illness and could be dangerous. Two weeks before the shooting, he sent a text message asking a graduate student if they had heard of the disorder dysphoric mania, and warning the student to stay away from him "because I am bad news."[46]"

so, yeah, at least for him it seemed like it was at least somewhat well known/suspected that he had struggles with mental illness.

and, again, no system is going to be perfect, of course people are going to slip through the cracks, but that seems like a bad reason to say we should do nothing, doesn't it? doesn't it sound wrong to you to say "oh, well this won't work 100 percent and some people may or may not be able to beat the tests, so it's best if we just do nothing at all?"
 
That's the equivalent of saying 2+2=5, then when someone proves you wrong saying "I don't care it doesn't matter"

1. Can you back any of this up with citations, etc?

2. I don't know how good your world history is, but you should know that there are a hell of a lot more reasons why the most of these groups were able to be exterminated so easily.

3. There are plenty of records of rebellions from those groups that were crushed, even with weapons.

4. Those are all examples based around extermination of a single group, which is completely irrelevant to what we're talking about in this thread.

And yes, fuck you I'm 15.
 
"fire fight which is what your dad or uncle did (which i don't believe you btw). "

lol wtf according to who? i never said that, you're the one making stuff up.

"you make shit up" lol what did i make up? you just said, "i would then drive away not stay and pull out my gun"

again i will ask, who are you even "arguing" with? all i see is you denying facts and fabricating elaborate stories.
 
we weren't, but that has no relevance since you already exposed yourself as a troll when you stated that self defense is not a god-given right.
 
like i said, i thought we were. but my mistake if we weren't or you thought we were talking about something else. and, again, what does that even mean when you say self-defense is a "god-given" right?
 
You said or I believe it was you said your uncle shot and killed someone During a road rage dispute That could've been another member though in anothrr gun thread. You referred to a driving altercation, So I thought you were the one who told me that story. Anyway I don't understand why you would stay and have a firefight out of your car when you could simply drive away. That's not being a spineless coward and a pussy. But you're simply saying hey I'm not going to fire my gun in this Crowded street because I can just put my foot down and drive away. And again before you freak out I'm referring to a guy without a gun saying he's going to get one, If he apreafy had a gun pointed at you from the other side of the street and started firing it would be a different story. No idea how that means I'm against using guns for self-defense. But yes and you can quote me on this in that situation I posted above I'd driveaway. You keep giving arguments or saying stories I say with out giving Context to It so you can make yourself seem right.
 
why would i even have to explain that to you? you are already knowledgeable enough to claim that self defense is not a god-given right, so you must already know what it means. or is this part of the troll? durrr
 
well i'm not going to let someone shoot at me and threaten my well-being while im fleeing. could you imagine if you had your family with you? personal preference i suppose.
 
The onus is on you to prove him wrong in any of those scenarios. It's commonly accepted that civilian disarmament precedes mass genocide, I think we can all agree on that.

Your third point sort of hits a nerve with me. What do you suggest they do when faced with overwhelming tyranny? Simply lay down and take it? If you say yes, then I guess you'll just never understand my point of view. I simply wouldn't allow my personal liberty to be infringed upon, and I'm willing to die for it.

It is relevant because the 2nd amendment is in place to PROTECT against governmental tyranny. WHICH INCLUDES GENOCIDE.That's why there's a militia clause in it too homie. So we can form raw ass bands of warriors roaming the country side killing government troops tryna suppress us all hard.

For the record Frenchys like 16 or something.
 
you said you wouldn't use a gun for self defense......lol that is how.

you said you would use a knife or a baseball bat to defend against a gunman.....why would you resort to that unless you are firmly against using guns for self defense? by the way, you can't pretend that you thought i meant an unarmed criminal because i can't believe you could have such poor reading comprehension.
 
just read the first few lines of your post.

Today i was driving home from downtown, gun on my waist. Car behind me gets all pissy about something, i dont know what. He honks and me, flips me off and speeds by me with his hand out the window once we got on the freeway.

I just politely wave to him as he drives by. One thing about carrying a gun is that you have to be cool. You cant have any emotions. You have to be a robot.

I probably could have followed the guy, got in an argument, fight then killed him because i felt my life was in danger and not gotten in any trouble. But anyone who has that mentality shouldnt have a gun. Sorta referencing the driving incident gun death you mentioned zzz
 
show me where i said it is not a god-given right. i said i didn't know what that meant and asked if it said so in the bible. i still don't know what it means. as someone who isn't religious it just sounds like the kind of thing one would say when they don't really have any logical argument to make so they just say it is "god-given so there i win." I honestly don't know what you mean by "god-given" so can you please explain it?
 
you said that if it is not mentioned in the bible then it's not a god-given right. then i told you that it actually does say so lol but i will humour your troll anyway. a god-given right is just another way of saying human rights, natural rights, etc. not the same as legal rights. knowing that self defense is a god-given right, hopefully i won't need to provide you with other examples lol.
 
We've had this knife and bat argument five times in this thread I keep having to explain this to you. I would not use a knife or bat to defend myself against a gunman and I explained to you that's not what I said. Just because I wouldn't use a gun in a few situations doesn't mean I'm completely against them, Kind of like just because I fight MMA doesn't mean I beat the crap out of Everyone who pisses me off and I think deservers to get punched. There are proper times to use a gun and unnecessary times to use a gun. That is my believe I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.
 
And as far as guns go I'm actually pretty comfortable with you owning a gun. You seem very responsible so congratulation. Zzzskizzz Conceal carry approval.
 
right. like i said, i never said it wasn't a god-given right. and i'll take your word for it that it does say that in the bible.
 
Take my gunz O-Bama. I dare yew!

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and in comes one black suburban from the FBI, to pry those guns from your dead hands. And they'd have no problem putting you in such a situation.
 
Im a senior in HS... 16 would make me a softmore... Lol I don't get what you just did, kindof sided with me then tried making fun of my age (which was incorrect).
 
I doubt that will ever happen. Actually I hope that never happens, I would hate to see the shit show this country would turn into if the government tried to forcefully take guns away.

I somehow don't think it would be that easy. I think they would have a BIG problem and that's putting it softly.

That will never happen here though.

Also kind of curious what kind of rifle that guy in the middle is holding.
 
Carcano 1891. We call it the democrat rifle ;)

America would literally implode if that were to happen. So many people would die, it'd be a blood bath and that's putting it nicely.
 
HOLY FUCK WHEN WILL THESE MORONS REALIZE THE MAGAZINE SIZE DOES NOT DIRECTLY AFFECT THE LETHALITY OF THE WEAPON?

Va. Tech shooter had 10 round magazines..he just had a bunch of them. It takes 2 seconds to reload a magazine, idiots.
 
But you can still prob shoot more with 5 10 round mags then 5 7 round mags. That's the idea how ever 7 rounds is still a shitload for a mag and i don't see what that will solve.
 
The US government has too many checks and balances already, I don't know how you guys get anything done down there.
 
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