hahaha i love all of the responses in this
I am not looking for the best sub out there in any way, or the most powerful one, i am not intending to replace my speakers so i dont want a sub that will tune them all out. i just want it to sound decent, kid at my school spent $3000 on his system with 2 15" subs and 4 amps, and you cant hear anything else besides the subs, thats not what i want, no im not an audio guro but im not an idiot either, i dont want to spend that much on a sub because i dont feel that it is worth it to get one that sounds similar for half the price, there are other things i would rather spend my money on
thanks for those who have helped, and thanks for the laughs to those who have tried to help