Ok, I understand what your saying, but think, how many "jewish long island girls" really care about a fleece? Yeah they want something fashionable, but in most cases its just the parents who say, hunny you need a fleece, and they go buy them a NF because its a very reputable brand, which will last a long time. You guys are looking way too far into it, because your all outer wear addicts. Most people (remember we are talking about average consumers) really don't care what they wear in terms of outer wear (of course there are some that definitely do). Now UGGZ on the other hand...