Nike 6.0 in skiing?

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I wasn't sure if this should be in ski grabber or non ski grabber. But here is just a few thoughts I had today.

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First

of all, my intention of this thread isn’t to say don’t buy Nike or say they are

a completely corrupt company (which may be the case) but I haven’t done the

research to make such an accusation. I am writing this while wearing my Nike Dunks,

which were made in China, and have skied at the Nike 6.0 terrain park at Mount

Seymour on many occasions and appreciate the fact that they have donated such

features, however, it was conveniently during the year of the Olympics.

The

issue I am addressing is the emergence of Nike 6.0 in freeskiing. In a Sports Ethics

class today, we went over the roll of Nike and their sweatshops in Indonesia.

We watch the documentary Behind the Swoosh by Team Sweat, http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=119275175157

This

documentary addressed the fact that Nike’s workers in Indonesia make $1.25 a

day, which can barely cover the cost of living in 3rd world living conditions.

Pointing out that their sole reason in Indonesia was for profit.

Now

I’m not going to go to in-depth about the movie, but my question is, do we as

freeskiers want a company such as Nike 6.0 representing us as athletes in our

sport? I realize we live in a capitalist world, but I have trouble seeing we

should choose to be represented by such a company. Like I said, I have bough

Nike on several occasions, and this is just an idea that I have had in the last

30minutes. But maybe as a sport we could effectively not support Nike 6.0.

Another

issue I’ve had with Nike 6.0 being involved with freeskiing is did they give

two shits about it before it blew up? They were never involved before it became

profitable, I realize they do sponsors major events and athletes such as Sammy

Carlson, but that has only been recently. Companies like Orage have been

providing the same service for much longer, and are made by skiers for skiers.

I just feel like Nike is throwing cash in the sport simply for direct profit

and not for the long-term development of the sport.

Again,

I’m not saying go out and burn your kicks, but like maybe we should question

the ethics of the companies, which are running our sport. We as the athletes

and the consumers of freeskiing can directly effect the impact they have on our

sport.

Also,

I’d be interested to know does Nike 6.0 have the same management as the general

Nike? Where is their products produce?

I

am interested in hearing your thoughts



 
when it comes down to it, everybody is a money whore; we all just have different prices.

I have mixed feelings about Nike in freeskiing too. I also enjoy many of the fruits of there product, but ultimately allowing Nike (like we have any actual control) to join I feel will open the gates for other massive companies to join in an already saturated market that barely has room for the "underground" companies.

Or the are just competing with Adidas who owned Salomon for awhile?

 
some good thoughts in that post and i agree with shit like that... i mean there shoes r like at least 65 bucks and they probably take like 20 man minutes to make if that. i mean other companies make good cash but huge companies make triple than the small ones with cheaper prices... thats why i try to help the small company's like i buy orage. its not the smallest but i can go to a store and get some outerwear try it on and shit but im not paying for a brand or paying for the head of the company to make 40 bucks off everything that is sold... that doesn't sound like a lot but a lot of people r paid before that money. not to mention all the expenses.

its just not right or moral to do what nike does. thats why i try to buy from other companies

/i suck at writing
 
I think it's a consumer's responsibility to research companies he/she plans on supporting, and if they deem a particular company's practices to be suspect—to look elsewhere.
Obviously, Nike isn't the only company in the ski industry that takes advantage of cheap labor, but it's something to consider absolutely.
I'd urge kids to support local, independent brands as a rule as it most benefits the sport...then again, larger companies seem to warranty gear a little more frequently (of course there are exceptions, keep your protests to yourselves you little shitheads) and have the capital to develop new shit....moral dilemmas....
Buuut....as I'm a big deal and a force in the industry, 6.0 hooked me up with free shit. They said it had something to do with my all-around realness and trillness. Not sure there's any relevancy to the thread in that, but I see other kids use posts as thinly veiled attempts to claim shit, so I'm like uuuuuuck it, dig?
 
Everyone in the world loves money. And in those third world "sweatshops" as we call them, people are happy to be making that money. I personally dont care what companies do, because in life its all about being successful. If they make quality products (which nike 6.0 typically does) i'm gonna buy them. It could be extremly good for the sport because nike is one of the biggest names in sports today. They could really help in the advancement of skiing.
 
You can't get too mad at a company for utilizing cheap labor. It sounds bad at first, but you have to realize that the people in those countries need those jobs and economically they are better off because of them. Go ahead and suggest to the people working in those factories that you are going to shut down the operation and they should go back to agriculture type jobs.
 
And also, of course they are in skiing because it is profitable. You think Line or Jibberish or whatever "core" companies that you like aren't there for the money? They exist because they saw a niche market in which they could make money and then advertise their companies as if they are just try to progress the sport when they are just profit maximizing firms just like everyone else.
 
I agree with you in spirit, but this is a pretty cynical outlook. Of course all companies exist to achieve profitability....however, a group of friends in love with skiing ponying up their bar mitzvah money and pressing t-shirts in the garage isn't really the same as guys in suits with pie-charts deciding (with the help of some algorithm) that there's money to be made in skiing by whipping small Asian people as they stitch outerwear.
 
Alright im going to try and make this short and sweet. NOBODY wants to work in a sweat shop!. They would much rather work on farms and in agriculture with their families. The reason they work in these shops is because these companies have made trade deals with various countries to suppress the price of their food products so farming no longer is a viable option to make a living off of. Sorry but it's the price of free market capitalism
 
actually that might surprise you but not every body do stuff for money.

from what i ve seen and from my experience, talking with small brand owners, they don t do it to become rich, they do it because they found a way to live doing what they love. of course they have to make money to live, but that s not why they came in.

it s like saying that skiers are in for the money.

if there is money (which is rare) it s just that they have to find a way of living while doing what they love. it s a really different point of view.

i m gonna talk about my personnal experience.

I m currently doing my 2nd years of masters in math, and i am doing partial differential equations. this is a field that has a LOT of application in finance and banking, and the only few people who can really understand it (i m talking about people studying math for 7+ years, not people who took math 200 in a business school) can make a SHITLOAD of money. way more that what you can imagine.

but even with that most people i know, including myself choose to do something else with our lives than banking and finance.

So i m sorry to go against you on this one but there is other stuff than money in life.

and yes of course money is needed and welcomed but i believe that when sterbenz started 4FRNT or when belanger started D structure, it was not to become rich. if they do become rich good for them. but i m pretty sure that s not their goal in life.

so i have to agree with OP that it s better to support companies that are in the sport for other reasons that just money.

but don t worry since skiing is becoming cool soon you ll have plenty of other brands who have nothing to do with skiing investing in it.

the only real good part about this it s that it s paying some skier's bill.
 
Of course they aren't doing it to become rich. You would have to be a complete moron to think that you are gonna get rich because you started making some tall tees or ski jackets or whatever. However, they still make as much money as they can. If you think that any of those "small brand owners" wouldn't jump at the opportunity to have a business half the size of Nike's you are being naive.
Oh, and finally, a shit load of the products made by these "core companies" are made overseas. Even if the final product is not assembled entirely overseas (ie companies such alike jibberish and several others), certainly the textiles and other materials to make them are often made abroad.
 
Yes it is the price of free market capitalism, but it is not true that these people don't want to work in cities. Just because you don't see it as appealing doesn't mean that it isn't to these people; They want all the goodies a westernized lifestyle offers, whether or not it is better for them in your eyes.
Also trade can cause the value of their crops to drop (sometimes it goes up), however that does not affect subsistence farming anyway.
 
Just curious have you watched the video link I posted? It showed after rent, which was a one a very small shack, one person could afford 2 meals of rice and dish soap a day.

How do know that they would make less than that otherwise? Just because its currently a poverty stricken country doesn't mean its ok to continue to give poverty wages? How is the standard of living supposed to increase if American coorperations continue to give poor wages? I just don't see how it can be justified when a pair of dunks goes for like 120 in Canada. I realize that most coorperations do this, but all I'm saying is that Nike does not have an established role in skiing yet, we're a young and small enough sport that we can choose how represent ourselves.

I've seen some pretty impressive stuff in our community as a whole. Like we banded together for something like Level 1 getting sued by WME how is this that a more worthy cause? Just because Nike 6.0 helps our sport get exposure and money doesn't mean its better for our sport. Its just a question of ethics.

 
"How do know that they would make less than that otherwise?"
Because they choose to take those jobs.
"I realize that most corporations do this, but all I'm saying is that Nike does not have an established role in skiing yet, we're a young and small enough sport that we can choose how represent ourselves."
So companies that existed five years ago were grandfathered in and get to use cheap labor but others don't? As I was saying above, virtually everyone exploits cheap labor in one way or another.
"I've seen some pretty impressive stuff in our community as a whole. Like we banded together for something like Level 1 getting sued by WME how is this that a more worthy cause?"
This isn't relavent to your point however, yeah we sure showed them. They won the case and lost about ticket sales from the 5 nsers that were going to see their movies. Take that WME.
 
hate to break it to ya bud but freeskiing is in its incipient stages, so any corporate investment in it is good, sweatshops or not.
 
wow, this is a whole lot of bullshit when the simple truth is that more money for skiers and skiing is a GOOD THING. fucking retards.
 
COskier

You've completely missed my point. All I'm saying that is we could actually consider what we buy to reflect us as a sport rather than being like"well, thats capitalism."

I just love how NS works, one guy gets ripped off for a photo by grenade gloves, and everyone is like "ZOOOOMMMGGGG boycott them!"

thousands get ripped off my Nike and we're happy to buy there product. I realize that they do have some choice, but its purely for survival.

But like I said, I'm just fueling some thought of how to represent ourselves as a community, I'm just surprised with some of the posts.

 
you do realize that all outerwear is made in the same kinda of factories that your nike dunks are made in right? so are you going to reconsider wearing outerwear while skiing too?
 
oh god that guy, Jim Keady, came and spoke to my school last year. after we had already watched his video twice. he talked about it for over an hour
 
I think you missed my point. I'm saying that Nike's business helps these countries and that poverty can't be reduced by refusing to buy products such as Nike's. In the end if you want to make a difference you need to KILL THE PRIME MINISTER OF MALAYSIA.
 
I own a nike jacket and it's sick. That being said it's hard for me to respect Nike to outsource to a 3rd world country but i mean even Jiberish has their stuff made in china. Nike just so happens to be a multimillion dollar company which has been doing this for decades(?). If it brings money into the sport (which it will) then i'm all for it.
 
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Nike has jumped onto every popular sport and made a killing off of it. They took over Bauer, one of the biggest companies in hockey, Nike SB for skateboarding and Nike 6.0 for biking have blown up in the last few years. I bet they will make quite the dent in the snow sports industry as well. Yes of course their sole reason for existing is to turn a profit, there would be no point of running a company if that wasn't your objective. How they get that profit may be a little iffy but like stated somewhere up above it's up to the buyers to make responsible decisions and support or not support a company based on that. You may not like Nike but they are very good at what they do.
 
Maybe instead of supporting Nike, we should stop buying their stuff altogether... That way, instead of their Indonesian workers making $1.25 a day, they will make $0.00 a day. Problem solved!!
 
True but you're not really saying anything, you're just regurgitating what the article said in an effort to prove me wrong for whatever reason. What really is your point with the Jiberish video? I'm sure they don't pay their chinese employees $1.25 an hour but i find it hard to believe that they're paying them an american minimum wage while simultaneously expanding Jiberish to the point where they're joining the ranks of A-Life and such companies.
Do i think $1.25 an hour is bullshit? Fuck yes, it's a systematic abuse of humanity and it's screwed up beyond belief. Are you going to do anything about it other than bitch and moan? Most likely not. So if you're saying you're going to boycott Nike because they do what dozens of other clothing manufactures do then by all means go ahead.
 
1.25 an hour is undoubtedly more than what they are paying the jibberish workers. We were talking about 1.25 per day.
 
i can't type, i can't read. i need to go to bed.
This is mega fucked up. But is it only relevant now because they're making outerwear? night
 
false, to make a difference you need to save the prime minister of malaysia, only then can you ensure workers wages rise and they get more money.... duh

mugatu = nike

zoolander = gnarnia/ns

fashion world = freeskiing community

mugatu(nike) wants to pay workers less money to turn a greater profit, zoolander (gnarnia/ns) wants to help the workers get more money and save the fashion world(freeskiing community)/world(the world)....

did you even watch zoolander?.......jeeeeesus
 
I can't tell if you're trolling or not, but this is probably one of the most ignorant things you've said in a whole line of arrogant, ignorant things.
 
i can't tell if you're joking around trying to make yourself look like the biggest mistake to come out of a mother's uterus but damn it... its blowing my mind thinking that you might be that dumb.
 
wow you must be really insecured.

some people are trying to make a point here, and we did say that it was somehow good because it paid some skiers bill.

but i agree with OP.
 
Its a tough question, not really sure how i feel about it. On the one hand i do definitely think its good that a big company is showing intrest in our sport finally, regardless of motive because ultimately it means more money for the sport. At the same time though some of 6.0's practices do seem a bit off.
Ultimately i dont think that having big companies in the sport will make it impossible for the smaller, core companies to make it. Look at snowboarding. HUGE corporations there, but there are still plenty of smaller ones coming up all the time.
 
thank you i say fuck nike i will never buy under armour/nike any other jock stuff. Im sure there are companys that own smaller companies but either way im gonna buy more "core" companys
 
yeah man! like ashbury and shit i find at the salvation army! i'll look core while i drink my starbucks, drive my (insert brand name here) to eat at wendys and wash it all down with a fine coke product! so core!
 
Salomon skiing ginger bitch...I hate coffee, dont eat fast food, and dont drink soda. Sadly the salvation army got taken over by some shitty place where they sell stuff for way more than its worth.
 
Yeah man, if we can't make a difference somewhere let's just say fuck it and forget about making a difference anywhere! Apathy is the best!
 
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