NATURE IS EVERYTHING

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Ok this has been a heated debate with one kid.

He says Nature is everything. That Dominance is natural so therefore the human relationship with their environment is entirely natural. Everything occurring and the reasons they occur are all natural.

 
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All I am trying to say is at a point in earths history nature and humanity split. Humanity began to effect nature. Also that there is a difference between naturally occuring ecosystems and human created systems.

He says NO it is all part of nature because it all rooted from the same thing which is dominance. Dominance is part of nature and the cause of everything.

O and greed doesn't exist. Which i don't really care about.

 
That was my point. I said it was a brick wall and that we have two different definitions of nature and are talking about two different things. He says no because its all nature.
 
posting opinion based issues like this is pointless because there are no right answers and people just get in a dogmatic mindset and eventually people are just constantly repeating the same points.
 
everything is nature

nature is our entire universe

out entire universe is our surroundings

our surroundings is matter

matter is everything

everything is you

you are made of mass

mass is energy

energy is all around us

all around us is our surroundings

our surroundings is our universe

our universe is nature

nature is everything

nature is the natural state of our existance, engery is everything as all mass is energy around us. commonly described by humans as e=mc^2 but in all seriousness the reality of nature is inevitable and awe inspiring. i have found a connection to the universe with nature and i wish everyone could understand the longivity of what i feel about the universe. sorry to sound like a high bastard or a hippy but its real man.
 
Are you thick? Knowing about the environment and the difference between what it should be like and what we have made it into is essential to the continuance of the human race. We have done more damage to the earth in 100 years than has been don by human civilization in the entire existence of our species (before the last century). If you wish to continue skiing, then you might want to pursue green options like some "hippys"... that or at least pursue the correct utilization of the word "your".

Live sustainably or die. Nuff fucking said about that.

I think op's friend needs to look up the definition of natural...
 
nature is a pretty crappy word. it's really hard to define.

A)the material world, especially as surrounding humankind andexisting independently of human activities. B) the natural world as it exists without human beings orcivilization.

from dictionary.com.

both definitions of the same word. so you're both right.
 
technically yes nature is everything because every physical or energetic element has characteristics that are distinct as well as universal. So on a purely physical basis everything is made of particles that can be converted into energy (and energy can be converted into particles) including you, me my lamp and tod walnuts. Essentially when you look at the small enough parts we are all the same.

when we speak of nature we think of genetically unmodified nonhuman organic life that lives without the aid of humans.
 
Everyone realizes this sir, Im talking about a different issue. Yes technically nature is everything. But to say nature in everything is where it ends.

He believes everything that has occurred up to now is all due to nature, and DOMINANCE is the reason everything is the way it is. So because of DOMINANCE everything is occurring "naturally"

I say no, there is nature, (bug eats plant, animal eats bug, animal dies, turns to fertilizer and feeds plant) Then there is Human interaction and "made environments"

He says that the destruction of the planet by humans is inevitable because of dominance, that "human nature" is to be dominant and therefore is just another event in nature.

Honestly he isn't wrong to some extent but It's just no way to look at your environment if you want to study it.

What about string theory and the possibilities of other dimensions? Would that just be part of nature to?

 
See I would be much more comfortable describing mass, energy and everything that is the universe and the rules the universe abides by as "existence"

Everything is part of the universe we exist in.

Hes is talking about the natural way the universe occurs.

Im talking about nature, here on earth, the only nature we know of at the moment.
 
As of right now, no. This is because they're just theories and there's no evidence or proof they actually exist. However, if one day we prove these theories right, then yes, they are natural.
 
It seems so simple, but i dont understand. Or mabye im just thinking into it when in actuallity there is no more depth beyond the obvious stupidity.
 
Keeping in mind that this definition of natural is "what is natural is whatever is compatible with the principles of science that describe and explain our world". Natural is one of the most vague and ambiguous words in the English language. It has many definitions and meanings, so to say who's right in your argument all depends on how you're looking at the word natural.
 
The ultimate way to win Debate with someone that refuses to give up is to punch them and then when they say "what the hell" say "I'm sorry it was nature"
 
Basically my statement is there is a definable difference between events that happen naturally due to science and events that happen due to human involvement.
 
but you have to realize the process for which humans carry out actions. human actions are simply dictated by the physical shape of your brain; to be more specific the neural pathways within your brain. the division between what occurs "naturally" and what occurs through "human involvement" is artificial, because at the fundamental level, human actions are dictated through the nature of your brain.

like i initially said, everything is connected
 
No shit man! fuck its the same thing with the kid I was arguing with. My brain is nothing but a bunch of chemical reactions. We all understand that. If you want to say everthing is connected in our physical world then you could say "NATURE" is just a bunch of vibrating strings of energy.

IM TALKING ABOUT, Earth, and the effects human have on it. We are the only species in existence that is no longer part of EARTHS naturally occurring systems. We are an external antagonist with the ability to completely control our environment, develop our own systems and creating our own human realities.

Proof of this? Humanity has done more damage to earth in the last 100 years than ever before. Damage is the key word. Since we can create our own environments and systems we can externally effect the natural flow of things. Therefore branching off from the natural flow of things.

Everything is natural? We have created elements that do not exist anywhere else, that we know of. That is a human creation, not a natural occurrence.

And no human actions are not dictated by the physical shape of your brain. They are dictated by the reactions of our neurons due to an EXTERNAL stimuli.

Hell humans even effect themselves unnaturally. Why do you think we need glasses now?
 
No need for that last part, but yeah I can still say no shit. You are rambling about how our brains work but what you are failing to see is that WE can DESCRIBE how OUR brains work. That is what my discussion is concerned with.

We have the ability to realize things and control them at an extremely high level

We have the all powerful ability to completely destroy the earth in an instant.

We can genetically modify organisms.

We no longer coincide with nature, to an extent, yes we still abide by the rules of the entire universe but we are now an external source that can damage or repair our planet.

"Nature itself allowed us too evolve and become smart and successful" You are 100% correct, but at a point in history, humans became so smart that the natural order of the world started being somewhat dictated by what humans think they need and want which is now resulting to what?

But yes this all happened due to nature, but now we have taken over. (to an extent)
 
i think this kid's logic includes that under the name nature... his stance sounds a lot like uninformed creationists do from their side. assuming a single infallible truth and basing everything else you say on it... then again it also sounds like he's just being an argumentative punkass so... fuck em.
 
Didn't read everything, I'm on a quick break Here's my 3 cents;
Bees create honey from materials that they gathered. Without their influence, honey wouldn't exist. The same thing can be said about their homes. They take raw materials and alter them to create the structure. I would argue that humans to the exact same thing to make products like steel, though to a much larger extent. Most people would agree that honey is natural, and I don't see why if you just extrapolate the definition that steel can't be natural also. Or all things that humans create for that matter.
Humans are also animals. Some people think we're not... quite a few people I've talked to actually, but we are. Anyways, this all being said, the way we are influencing the planet right now, we are set to raise the temperature by a minimum of 2 degrees. We can only achieve this if CO2 outputs go down by 10 percent per year for the next 4 years, and then stop entirely. The CO2 output of Russia went down by only 6-8 percent during the collapse of the Soviet Union, where a huge portion of their industrial production stopped. A change of 4 degrees seems more likely, as well as a CO2 concentration double pre-industrial levels by before 2070. With concentrations this high, 70 percent of the species on Earth will go extinct.
Climate change is the biggest problem we face, but I feel it has been put in the back of people's minds. People need to stop feeling so entitled just because of where we were born. Not everyone can own a car, and fly in a plane once a year, and eat tons of meat, and buy things all the time if we want to survive. People get a false sense of importance when they recycle, or change their light bulbs to be more efficient. It's a start, but it's nowhere near close enough to what we need. Vote with your dollar, the most important voting tool that exists and support the companies that are making the positive change.
That is all.
 
The creation of the human mind was a natural process

The process of the human mind is natural

Through the development of the human mind, humans have developed ways to manipulate their environment to suit their bodily needs, thus destroying the environment.

 
we evolved from chimpanzees, we are definitely part of nature. we're also classified as animals. and any animal that lives on this earth is capable of ruining the environment, we effect nature in many ways making us part of it.

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