i am supposed to be catholic, i was raised catholic, which is probably why i hate catholicism so much...but that is why i pointed out i am not one to conform to organized religions. it's not me. and i don't agree with it. so my opinions are somewhat amplified when it comes to details such as the ones discussed in this thread. so what im saying is..most religions and cultures, etc, have a dark past of their own. it is important for religions to grow with the times in which they are practiced..but then they are no longer based upon tradition. it's a bit of a catch 22 and i for one am not religious anymore but do not condone it either.