KimJongTrill
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14545244:PartyBullshiit said:
Not sure what you mean by triple camber graphic. The release from last year was the original Meridian graphic from 16/17.
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Not sure what you mean by triple camber graphic. The release from last year was the original Meridian graphic from 16/17.
[video]https://vimeo.com/153173817[/video]
PartyBullshiit
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14545249:KimJongTrill said:
I mean directly on the graphics where it’s says triple camber multiple times. It’s cool artwork. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not taking anything away from it. For me just doesn’t make sense to have triple camber marketing on a ski that isn’t triple camber. That’s all. I prefer the “median” graphic itself. 4 prints are hanging in the shop.
hot.pocket
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14545249:KimJongTrill said:
The first Meridian graphic was originally designed for the Deathwish, which is why it has some subtle triple camber references on it (three skulls, a few '3's, 'camber' on the right ski etc...).
KimJongTrill
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14545251:hot.pocket said:
Ahhhh ok! Makes sense why it looks pieced together.
that print is badass!
vermontana
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[tag=144811]@hot.pocket[/tag] - is the DWT104 construction that much more substantial than the regular DWT? Interesting that the skinnier ski is actually heavier. relatedly, would they ski a bit longer?
Have a DWT 190 for pow/midwinter tours and want to replace my big day touring skis next season, thinking maybe a DWT104 in 184 could be the ticket but tbh they're a bit heavier than would be ideal.
Have a DWT 190 for pow/midwinter tours and want to replace my big day touring skis next season, thinking maybe a DWT104 in 184 could be the ticket but tbh they're a bit heavier than would be ideal.
hot.pocket
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14545313:thatsG said:
14545500:ThaLorax said:
Countach is going to be easier to throw around than either the Dancer or the Commander. Commander is more aggressive and composed compared to the Dancer.
Countach 110 = directional but freestyle influenced
Dancer 3 = directional, easier to toss around
Commander 108 = directional, more aggressive
At least that's my general idea with limited knowledge on the Dancer.
14545745:vermontana said:
Yes, the 104 does have a more substantial build to it. Thicker core profile throughout and swaps the Ash stringers in the 112 for European Beech, which is heavier and damper. Translating that to the touring version, there's less filler wood in the 104, providing less material to lighten up, thus the similarity in weight between the 104 and 112 tour versions.
I do feel that the 104 skis a touch longer, but not by much. I daily the 112 DW 190 and skied the 104 DW 190 fairly often last season, and the 104 certainly required more effort on my part (I'm also a finesse over power skier, so take that into account). I'll most likely be swapping my 104 DW 190 for a 104 DW 184 in the future (6'2 150lbs).
[tag=195966]@cydwhit[/tag] has a review posted up on Powder about the Deathwish Tour 104:https://www.powder.com/gear-locker/review-moment-deathwish-tour-104
Snippet from his review regarding the weight:
It’s not just a narrower, lighter Deathwish Tour. For starters, it’s not
really that much lighter. According to Moment’s stated weights, it only
shaves 5 g per ski. So it’s not just a “more efficient” Deathwish Tour,
instead, it’s something else. It’s a quicker, more nimble, more
optimized for firm snow option. I think that makes choosing between it
and Moment’s other touring skis relatively easy. Want triple camber
optimized for firmer snow performance? Here’s your huckleberry.
cydwhit
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14545750:hot.pocket said:
Agreed. I'd be way more likely to reach for a longer length of either of the DW 112's, or a shorter length of either of the 104s. 190 112 and 184 104 sounds like a great combo. Same goes for 184 112 and 179 104.
Put another way, the 184 112 is the shortest length I'd want to ski, whereas the 184 104 is the longest length of that ski I'd want to be on.
Sizing down the 104 makes sense, it gives you more of what makes that ski stand out from the 112, making it quicker and more nimble while still shockingly substantial.
PartyBullshiit
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14545754:cydwhit said:
I ended up with a 184 112 and 104. Funny enough I was very concerned about sizing up from the 179 on the 104. But the 104 felt like it skied shorter with the triple camber. 184 was perfect. 179 felt too short and 190 felt too much.
On the 112 I actually wanted 190 originally but based off feedback from moment went with the 184 to have more versatility in trees etc.
now I’m looking to grab a cat 101 as a dedicated east coast ski. Just not sure I want to size up on that to a 184. I feel like 179 will be more than enough for general east coast mountains.
vermontana
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Awesome, thank you both for the feedback. I'm on Blizzard Zerog95 for my skinny skis now and they're just alright...great for icy chutes and traverses, but they don't really fit my skiing style and with how much camber they have the 185s feel a bit long in tight areas. I also wish they were a little bit heavier for cutting through variable stuff. Seems like the DWT104 is the ticket.
vermontana
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14545765:PartyBullshiit said:
For what its worth, my cat 101 190s feel like they ski a bit shorter than my DWT 190s, they're super playful as my park/low tide all-mtn skis.
PartyBullshiit
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14545770:vermontana said:
Ya that was my thought on going towards the shorter side with the 101. Just to use as a full playful ski. If I need more I have a 108 or can do the wish 104.
PartyBullshiit
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[tag=144811]@hot.pocket[/tag] that Carson drop coming in hot. Love the graphic. I’d rock it as an adult top sheet wise.
hot.pocket
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14545957:PartyBullshiit said:
Thanks! Was fun actually producing a unique Carson graphic instead of a shrunk down men's / women's graphic.
PartyBullshiit
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COMI drop.
hot.pocket
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14548254:jhnegbrt said:
We're still figuring out what / if we'd like to do more reserve drops, shoot us an email at info@momentskis.com to express your interest in a Ghost Train.
Having a list of email requests makes decisions like these easier.
DollaStoreHumper
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Any word or hints on when/if Meridians will re-release?
PartyBullshiit
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14548354:Nate5B said:
Yes. Oct ish if the time frame at this point
PartyBullshiit
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14548377:steve0 said:
I haven’t heard anything on that part yet. Just the general time frame
hot.pocket
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14548428:PartyBullshiit said:
brb gonna go have a factory meeting
14545241:KimJongTrill said:
I guess you might not have any time on the GT’s yet but I’m curious how they compare to the Chipotle Banana.
Widest ski I have right now is the Deathwish, and looking for something wider for the occasional “deep” powder day in Summit County (CO) and trips to Utah/places where it snows more.
I love the DW and I heard people complain about tip dive on the CB, so I got turned on to the GT. But, I’ve read more about CB and it sounds like a super fun ski for when things get tracked out, which is most of my powder days anyways.
So I guess I’m wondering: how much “charge” does the GT give up on the CB, and how much float does the CB give up on the GT?
[tag=144811]@hot.pocket[/tag] [tag=30362]@melee[/tag] - you guys have any insight?
KimJongTrill
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14548692:jhnegbrt said:
I will start by saying I have tried a ton of pow skis and they all excel in different situations. The Banana in my opinion if one of the best chop skis out there but with the reverse profile remains pretty playful. Even in the 193. I have heard however that the 194 GT and the 193 Nanner are both pretty chargy while in the smaller sizes the GT is much more playful than the CB. does the CB float better than my new nocta? No. Am I Keeping the CB of the Nocta? Yes. For resort pow at Alta which gets skied out in about an hour the CB is pretty damn tough to beat. I would assume the GT will have a little less gas however I feel the GT would be a better Cat or Heli ski than the CB as the added width especially more towards the tips and tails would provide more float. I’ll report back on the GT this season but will likely still snag a new one if it hits the reserve for the construction updates moment has implemented over the years.
KimJongTrill
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14548711:jhnegbrt said:
I’m 6’1 210. I ski the DW and Kitty in the 190 and went with the 188 CT.
I would say if the 184 feels right the 186 is the way. I think both Luke and Max who are both over 6 feet prefer the 186 over the 193.
ThaLorax
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14548692:jhnegbrt said:
I have the Wildcat 101, just retired my Bibbys, and have the 2013 Ghost Train that I got off skiburger 4-5 years ago. I absolutely love the GT, and its tough to beat its fun in deeep pow, but it sucks massively on any stretch of hardback. Ridiculously fun in anything over 10", but the way it skis on hardback makes me only grab it like 1-5 days per season... because... its Colorado. Idk if the newer versions have improved that. But for most days where I know I'll encounter any reasonable amount of groomed/hardback terrain, even just transitions/catwalks, I found myself reaching for my Bibbys almost every time. The few days I take out thr GT, I always remember how ridiculously fun they are, except on the transitions between pow runs
**This post was edited on Aug 28th 2023 at 9:11:10pm
That makes sense, thanks for the follow up!
I also have a wc 101 and love that ski. I would consider the WC (116) but I feel that would have more overlap than I want with the DW.
Similar to you, whether I get a CB or GT, I expect to go deathwish a lot of days.
I think they changed the GT shape after your year to “handle bar rocker”, but not sure how that would affect hard pack performance
I also have a wc 101 and love that ski. I would consider the WC (116) but I feel that would have more overlap than I want with the DW.
Similar to you, whether I get a CB or GT, I expect to go deathwish a lot of days.
I think they changed the GT shape after your year to “handle bar rocker”, but not sure how that would affect hard pack performance
14548953:ThaLorax said:
ThaLorax
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Ya my GT has full rocker, which is insanely fun in deep pow. I use my WC101 80% of my ski days. Most pow days were spent on the Bibby, but that's retired now. Kinda want a 108 Wildcat. Wish they made them in-between the 164cm and 174cm, but i understand why they dont. The 169cm GT fits me better than my 174 WC 101 and 174 Bibby (my height is only 157cm/5'2") but I'm pretty confident the 164 would feel squirrely with all the rocker. I've never skied a DW for comparison
14549013:jhnegbrt said:
cydwhit
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14549013:jhnegbrt said:
Skied a two ski quiver of a DW and GT for a few years. If you're asking about "hard pack performance" with the Ghost Train, you might be looking at the wrong ski haha. The triple camber version I had was plenty manageable on hardback, but it certainly wasn't "great"
If it's anything short of a guaranteed pow day, I'd go DW, but if it's sure to be deep, Ghost Train is my all time fave. That's why I want a tour version to come back, I skied so many of the deepest backcountry days of my life on the Ghost Train and absolutely loved it.
PartyBullshiit
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14549026:ThaLorax said:
That 174 is calling your name. Save a few bucks
https://www.skiburger.com/products/22-23-wildcat-108?variant=42539240554682
-eREKTion-
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14549049:PartyBullshiit said:
Why does skiburger always get linked on payday? Thankfully the 184 WC 108 is sold out.
cali_invader
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Question for DW112 owners: do you ever ski/wish you had a narrower ski during the season? I feel like you don't hear a lot about the original Deathwish online (the 104 version + wildcats get a lot of chatter) but seems like lots of people will offhand admit to skiing most of their Tahoe days on the DW112. Is it just quiet because people on the DW aren't out looking for new skis?
PartyBullshiit
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14550914:cali_invader said:
The 112 is just a really good do it all ski. It can handle almost any condition which is why a lot of people ski it as their 1 ski quiver. It doesn’t ride as wide as a typical 112 waist ski so it’s more usable across more terrain.
Before the countach I know it was a cult favorite amongst the Moment employees as their throw in the truck skis to be ready for anything, countach is getting a lot of that love now as well.
as you mentioned in Tahoe it was absolutely fantastic I never found myself needing more or less ski and this was in March/April during the crazy dumps. Also had cat 118, 108 and commander 98’s on hand and found myself having the most fun on my wish 112.
I do have the 104 as well which ill
be using this nov-dec in Tahoe and Breck as I don’t expect the conditions to be as great as when I was there in March-April.
bustedpivot
Member
Its because it does not feel at all like a 112. It feels like a 102.
Non_State_Actor
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14550914:cali_invader said:
14550917:PartyBullshiit said:
14550930:bustedpivot said:
Pretty much this. The 112 is really quick edge to edge, much more nimble than the sidecut radius would indicate. It can pivot and slash very quickly and also has pretty good edge hold when it's needed.
DollaStoreHumper
Member
Any plans to continue the trend of adding longer lengths of the skis in the lineup with the meridians? perhaps a 193+...?
hot.pocket
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14551287:Nate5B said:
No plans this year to add a longer Meridian.
Can always email info@momentskis.com to ask for unique builds, if enough requests come through we've been known to build some fun stuff.
-eREKTion-
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14550914:cali_invader said:
The Deathwish works really well in 95% of conditions so it’s a pretty easy grab on virtually any day. And even when the conditions don’t suit the Deathwish, it’s usually not the 112 width that throws me off because DW112 has a massive sweet spot plus the triple camber placebo.
However, the one thing that does throw me off occasionally is the lack of significant taper. In most cases this is a positive trait but when snow gets either super punchy or the moguls have really steep troughs, the DW112 is out of its element (FOR MY SKI STYLE).
I bought the Deathwish when I moved away from the mountains and sold most of my quiver. Sure, there have been days where I wish I still had my Bibby’s or my Tahoe 96’s but overall I am a permanent Deathwish fanboy.
cali_invader
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Really appreciate the replies on the DW112. I skied it all last season for everything, so it's good to know that I'm not missing out on much by only owning one resort ski.
hot.pocket
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14552369:Rodigan said:
There will be more available after they start shipping out. They just started going into the presses so expect 2-3 weeks from now.
hot.pocket
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Friday, September 29th we're hosting our season kick off party here at the factory.
Movie premiere of the new Deviate film Plug & Play, tons of beer, food, and other local companies showing off some goods.
Proceeds go towards our favorite local non-profit The Holland Project.
Tickets:
> Film Only - $15
> Film + Beer Garden - $25
> Film, Beer Garden + Moment Tallboy Tumbler - $35
GET TICKETS HERE
Doors @ 5pm, film starts at dark (~8:30pm)
Last year's turnout:
Movie premiere of the new Deviate film Plug & Play, tons of beer, food, and other local companies showing off some goods.
Proceeds go towards our favorite local non-profit The Holland Project.
Tickets:
> Film Only - $15
> Film + Beer Garden - $25
> Film, Beer Garden + Moment Tallboy Tumbler - $35
GET TICKETS HERE
Doors @ 5pm, film starts at dark (~8:30pm)
Last year's turnout:
PartyBullshiit
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14553013:hot.pocket said:
Friday, September 29th we're hosting our season kick off party here at the factory.
Movie premiere of the new Deviate film Plug & Play, tons of beer, food, and other local companies showing off some goods.
Proceeds go towards our favorite local non-profit The Holland Project.
Tickets:
> Film Only - $15
> Film + Beer Garden - $25
> Film, Beer Garden + Moment Tallboy Tumbler - $35
GET TICKETS HERE
Doors @ 5pm, film starts at dark (~8:30pm)
Last year's turnout:
Hope you guys had a great event. Ski burger closed till the end of next season ish?
hot.pocket
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14554796:PartyBullshiit said:
Temporarily shut down, will be back up within a week or two.