Moment Skis Discussion Thread

I’ve never recommend someone take the shorter ski, but for you I’d say 176 unless your a very heavy 5’7

14322742:Chron_Rabbit said:
I rode the moment wildcat 108 size 184(?) last season and I love how they feel. I’m looking at getting a pair of commander 98s for fast groomer days and chop. Should I lean 182 or 176? I’m 5’7ish advanced skier
Click to expand...
 
I’d say 176 as your height is 170 cm that’s gonna be about 6cm over your head and should provide plenty of support for you in the intended conditions.

for comparison I’m 184cm,175lbs, really strong, like to think I’ve got excellent technique and ski 183-194, got the c98 in 188 (+4cm) on my height, I really only need the 190s for powder, or if there’s a short EE and I’m gonna be charging I’ll upsize, I absolutely cannot ski anything under 183 just feels short.

How did u like the 182s you rode? For comparison, the c98 is gonna ski and feel longer at the same length cause more EE, is more directional, and while it’s got an easy releasing tail, it’s no wildcat

14322882:Chron_Rabbit said:
I weigh 170
Click to expand...
 
I’m pretty sure the wildcats I rode last season came in at 184 and I like them a lot-probably because of the crazy forward pressure you can put on the boots with a ski that size. I’m 26 and I’ve been skiing 30+ days every year since I was 12 so I’d say I’m solid at this point. The wildcats are the first ski I’ve ridden over 180cm. I had Nordica helldorados which I think are more similar in construction to the commanders (both have stiff layers) and I think they were 174. They smashed but they were also like 114 under foot. Figured the extra length might help for mobbing. Thanks for the replies btw.

14322980:SavageBiff said:
I’d say 176 as your height is 170 cm that’s gonna be about 6cm over your head and should provide plenty of support for you in the intended conditions.

for comparison I’m 184cm,175lbs, really strong, like to think I’ve got excellent technique and ski 183-194, got the c98 in 188 (+4cm) on my height, I really only need the 190s for powder, or if there’s a short EE and I’m gonna be charging I’ll upsize, I absolutely cannot ski anything under 183 just feels short.

How did u like the 182s you rode? For comparison, the c98 is gonna ski and feel longer at the same length cause more EE, is more directional, and while it’s got an easy releasing tail, it’s no wildcat
Click to expand...
 
Hmmm… maybe get at hot pocket for his opinion, while I said the EE of the commander is longer, it’s barely longer, the c98 is heavier but not a lot, while 12cm over your head is a lot , you may prefer it for your style, I’d let ya demo mine but they’re 188 so might not compare well to the 182.

My final thought would be you may appreciate the 176 as it will still be quite stable , and supportive in softer snow but easier and quicker to change direction, you may appreciate that in terrain that requires last moment changes

Where do you ski?

14323234:Chron_Rabbit said:
I’m pretty sure the wildcats I rode last season came in at 184 and I like them a lot-probably because of the crazy forward pressure you can put on the boots with a ski that size. I’m 26 and I’ve been skiing 30+ days every year since I was 12 so I’d say I’m solid at this point. The wildcats are the first ski I’ve ridden over 180cm. I had Nordica helldorados which I think are more similar in construction to the commanders (both have stiff layers) and I think they were 174. They smashed but they were also like 114 under foot. Figured the extra length might help for mobbing. Thanks for the replies btw.
Click to expand...
 
Brighton and park city

14323382:SavageBiff said:
Hmmm… maybe get at hot pocket for his opinion, while I said the EE of the commander is longer, it’s barely longer, the c98 is heavier but not a lot, while 12cm over your head is a lot , you may prefer it for your style, I’d let ya demo mine but they’re 188 so might not compare well to the 182.

My final thought would be you may appreciate the 176 as it will still be quite stable , and supportive in softer snow but easier and quicker to change direction, you may appreciate that in terrain that requires last moment changes

Where do you ski?
Click to expand...
 
14322742:Chron_Rabbit said:
I rode the moment wildcat 108 size 184(?) last season and I love how they feel. I’m looking at getting a pair of commander 98s for fast groomer days and chop. Should I lean 182 or 176? I’m 5’7ish advanced skier
Click to expand...

176-- that's 6cm over your head, plenty regardless but especially for a ski like that that has balls
 
What’s up pals, back with another addition to the endless debate in size vs size. Adding some fatcats to the family this year but I’m torn between the 179’s and the 184’s.

If my posture is nice and I only had a couple beers the previous night then I’m 5’7” 145lbs.

Currently on some 174 wildcat 108’s which were my first introduction to moment, awesome size for a playful ski. Also on the 174 DW.

Obviously the fatcats will be the storm day skis, hence me sizing up from my go-to. They’ll also be mounted at +2 from the rec line as I prefer the air control and flick ability over the benefits of perfect footing on the sidecut apex.

So what do we think, 179 or 184. I rode a friends 186 governors and obviously it was too big and a directional ski, but it kicked my ass. So I still have some PTSD when I see ski lengths in the 180’s.
 
14334044:Ajpearson92 said:
What’s up pals, back with another addition to the endless debate in size vs size. Adding some fatcats to the family this year but I’m torn between the 179’s and the 184’s.

If my posture is nice and I only had a couple beers the previous night then I’m 5’7” 145lbs.

Currently on some 174 wildcat 108’s which were my first introduction to moment, awesome size for a playful ski. Also on the 174 DW.

Obviously the fatcats will be the storm day skis, hence me sizing up from my go-to. They’ll also be mounted at +2 from the rec line as I prefer the air control and flick ability over the benefits of perfect footing on the sidecut apex.

So what do we think, 179 or 184. I rode a friends 186 governors and obviously it was too big and a directional ski, but it kicked my ass. So I still have some PTSD when I see ski lengths in the 180’s.
Click to expand...

I am 5'9 and a little heavier than you and 184 is perfecto for me. I would take the 179 brother
 
I'm 5'2 (157cm) and 115lbs and happily ride thr 174cm Bibby (the OG wildcat). Go the longer lengths if you're a strong skier.

14334044:Ajpearson92 said:
What’s up pals, back with another addition to the endless debate in size vs size. Adding some fatcats to the family this year but I’m torn between the 179’s and the 184’s.

If my posture is nice and I only had a couple beers the previous night then I’m 5’7” 145lbs.

Currently on some 174 wildcat 108’s which were my first introduction to moment, awesome size for a playful ski. Also on the 174 DW.

Obviously the fatcats will be the storm day skis, hence me sizing up from my go-to. They’ll also be mounted at +2 from the rec line as I prefer the air control and flick ability over the benefits of perfect footing on the sidecut apex.

So what do we think, 179 or 184. I rode a friends 186 governors and obviously it was too big and a directional ski, but it kicked my ass. So I still have some PTSD when I see ski lengths in the 180’s.
Click to expand...
 
14334094:Rodigan said:
I am 5'9 and a little heavier than you and 184 is perfecto for me. I would take the 179 brother
Click to expand...

14334298:ThaLorax said:
I'm 5'2 (157cm) and 115lbs and happily ride thr 174cm Bibby (the OG wildcat). Go the longer lengths if you're a strong skier.
Click to expand...

Sounds like these guys got you, but I'd recommend the 179. Should give you plenty of float without kicking your ass.

14334308:vermontana said:
Commander 108 in 188 incoming! hyped to make some questionable line choices on these bad boys
Click to expand...

Send us the footage.
 
14334399:hot.pocket said:
Sounds like these guys got you, but I'd recommend the 179. Should give you plenty of float without kicking your ass.

Send us the footage.
Click to expand...

quick one brother.....

i have the last version PBJ currently with a marker jester....gonna go with a pivot but will a 95mm fit?

thanks again
 
Also humble brag but I work at Fire On Thé Mountain in Dover, NH, and we are the newest Moment dealer and the only one east of the Mississippi I believe…. Anyway, anyone in NH MA or ME wanna come by and finger fuck these, please do! We have the Wildcat 101, Wildcat 108 Tour, Deathwish 104, Commander 98 and Sierra! These look even better in person than they do in stock photos.
 
14311330:SavageBiff said:
If they do it I’ll buy one too, been kicking myself for not buying when it was in the reserve category, however I’m not worried, they’ll either do a short run of it in the reserve or build something similar and better
Click to expand...

add me to that list ......
 
(Back)ordered the 174cm Wildcat 101. I'm only 5'2"/157cm. Hope it's not too much ski for me as an everyday ski. I previously had the PB&J 172cm and have some OG Bibby's in 174cm. Love(d) them both, so I'll probably be fine?
 
14373736:ThaLorax said:
(Back)ordered the 174cm Wildcat 101. I'm only 5'2"/157cm. Hope it's not too much ski for me as an everyday ski. I previously had the PB&J 172cm and have some OG Bibby's in 174cm. Love(d) them both, so I'll probably be fine?
Click to expand...

101 Wildcat 174 = direct replacement for PB&J 172

You'll be plenty fine.
 
Man I’ve been refreshing the page for the DWT in 184 waiting for new stock to show up.

I turned 30 and am ready for a dedicated touring ski, but like the years I let the preorder stock slip right by me like a chump.
 
14373997:Kevski said:
Man I’ve been refreshing the page for the DWT in 184 waiting for new stock to show up.

I turned 30 and am ready for a dedicated touring ski, but like the years I let the preorder stock slip right by me like a chump.
Click to expand...

Email me, max@momentskis.com
 
14374908:Rodigan said:
If I email you will you tell me when I can buy a backup pair of meridians, thanks

good night, god bless x
Click to expand...

I'd email myself if it meant I'd get a backup set.

Jokes aside, it will eventually return to the reserve collection, even if I have to build every damn part myself after hours.
 
14374911:hot.pocket said:
I'd email myself if it meant I'd get a backup set.

Jokes aside, it will eventually return to the reserve collection, even if I have to build every damn part myself after hours.
Click to expand...

feel better knowing i am not alone with these problems .......
 
14373997:Kevski said:
Man I’ve been refreshing the page for the DWT in 184 waiting for new stock to show up.

I turned 30 and am ready for a dedicated touring ski, but like the years I let the preorder stock slip right by me like a chump.
Click to expand...

Kev sent me pictures of the shiny new gear. Making my wait for the 179 restock painful too.
 
14320980:hot.pocket said:
Gonna have a blast on those out west after skiing those other super east coast oriented skis.

Sounds like the Commander 108 is the ticket for you based on your description of your skiing style [absolute chargers, stable and fast - which caters to my style more than something surfy and playful]. You can certainly charge on the Deathwishes, I do from time to time and rarely feel like I'm holding on for dear life, but those of us who like to ski fast and straight, the Commander 108 is more aptly suited.

Could also consider the Deathwish 104, as it's a chunk stiffer than the Deathwish 112 and feels like a Deathwish with some Commander blood in it.
Click to expand...

Just spent 2 days on the d104 in 190. From 8”-18” wet pow, chunder ,some wind blown hardpack, corduroy, trees, park, slopes, mtb trails the d104 hauls ass man, it’s rather stable, soooo easily to release, carves hard and is moderately easy to flick around, blows thru crap and slashes like a pow ski hands down my new fav

far as the new c98, I’d rather ski an mpro, the mpro is easier to ski, find myself reaching for them more sorry moment
 
14373757:hot.pocket said:
101 Wildcat 174 = direct replacement for PB&J 172

You'll be plenty fine.
Click to expand...

Loving the new skis. But do you guys use a different edge material now? I've got 4-5 days on them, and without knowingly having hit anything bad, and have two weird jagged dents on the edges already.
 
14384022:ThaLorax said:
Loving the new skis. But do you guys use a different edge material now? I've got 4-5 days on them, and without knowingly having hit anything bad, and have two weird jagged dents on the edges already.
Click to expand...

On the flip side, was skiing some trees and landed quite firmly on a small tree stump, which resulted in absolutely zero damage to the bases
 
14386064:ThaLorax said:
On the flip side, was skiing some trees and landed quite firmly on a small tree stump, which resulted in absolutely zero damage to the bases
Click to expand...

Same edge material as before, base was upgraded a season or two ago though.
 
How are the wildcats (or maybe the deathwish?) as a primarily east coast all mountain freestyle ski? I don’t want a really soft ski, I’m considering a wildcat 101 to complement my park ski when I’m doing a primarily all mountain freestyle day.
 
14386076:hot.pocket said:
Same edge material as before, base was upgraded a season or two ago though.
Click to expand...

I’m curious, what did you do to the bases? Are they still 1.3mm 4001 durasurf or am I misremembering?
 
14387955:whatsamonad said:
I’m curious, what did you do to the bases? Are they still 1.3mm 4001 durasurf or am I misremembering?
Click to expand...

Went from 1.5mm 4001 Durasurf to 1.5mm 7500 series carbon infused UHMWPE (ultra high molecular weight polyethylene). Tested it a few seasons ago and were very pleased with the speed, wax retention, durability and repairability of it over what we were previously using, so we made the switch.
 
14387958:hot.pocket said:
Went from 1.5mm 4001 Durasurf to 1.5mm 7500 series carbon infused UHMWPE (ultra high molecular weight polyethylene). Tested it a few seasons ago and were very pleased with the speed, wax retention, durability and repairability of it over what we were previously using, so we made the switch.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the info, definitely interesting to know! I believe J Skis is also using UHMWPE, but at 1.8mm.

Are the moment bases sintered as well?

**This post was edited on Jan 28th 2022 at 4:51:06pm
 
14387965:whatsamonad said:
Thanks for the info, definitely interesting to know! I believe J Skis is also using UHMWPE, but at 1.8mm.

Are the moment bases sintered as well?

**This post was edited on Jan 28th 2022 at 4:51:06pm
Click to expand...

Sintered. J does use 1.8mm base, but personally we feel 1.5mm is plenty durable for our applications and doesn't add unnecessary weight to the ski.
 
14387965:whatsamonad said:
Thanks for the info, definitely interesting to know! I believe J Skis is also using UHMWPE, but at 1.8mm.

Are the moment bases sintered as well?

**This post was edited on Jan 28th 2022 at 4:51:06pm
Click to expand...

14387993:anders_a said:
Bases makes such a huge difference.
Click to expand...

Some additional info about the material upgrades from our CEO (Melee), top post on this page:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/324915-Moment-Skis-Discussion/page72
 
14388040:skeirman said:
Yeah whatever Moment's old base material was was really bad. That stuff was about as durable as tissue paper. I don't know about your new material but I would be hesitant to take the chance.
Click to expand...

The old base was the same base ON3P currently uses lol albeit a little bit less beefy by a few mm
 
No chance the durasuft 4001 is pretty damn good. That's the toughest base they made before this new 7500 series.

The 4001 might not be the fastest base out there, but it was definitely one of the toughest. You must weight like 200+ and be charging rock lines, because the 4001 durasurf is definitely nothing like tissue paper.

Curious to see this 7500 series carbon base though.

14388040:skeirman said:
Yeah whatever Moment's old base material was was really bad. That stuff was about as durable as tissue paper. I don't know about your new material but I would be hesitant to take the chance.
Click to expand...

14388043:whatsamonad said:
The old base was the same base ON3P currently uses lol albeit a little bit less beefy by a few mm
Click to expand...
 
14388304:Corey_O132 said:
No chance the durasuft 4001 is pretty damn good. That's the toughest base they made before this new 7500 series.

The 4001 might not be the fastest base out there, but it was definitely one of the toughest. You must weight like 200+ and be charging rock lines, because the 4001 durasurf is definitely nothing like tissue paper.

Curious to see this 7500 series carbon base though.
Click to expand...

I guess. This is 2 seasons use. I've stopped putting money into them because they seem to be incurably base high. I've had similar issues with my old pbj's too. Meanwhile my 4frnt and k2's have no coreshots at all. I dunno maybe just bad luck when I ride my moments.

1029484.jpeg

1029482.jpeg

1029483.jpeg

1029485.jpeg

1029486.jpeg

**This post was edited on Jan 29th 2022 at 5:37:24pm
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top