Mckain or Obama

have not done my share of research yet, but based on pure feeling of personality, motivation, and the ora they give off.....Obama!
 
please dont vote for someone based on the ora,ect, they give off...

vote on issues not feelings!

and if you disagree with me on issues, fine.

but dont vote for someone on a feeling.
 
because people like that hes conservative in foreign policy. thats why. hes also huge on eliminating pet projects in congress. people like that. people feel confident that hes not gonna go apologizing to iran and syria and trying to be buddybuddy with them. not everyone feel like america is inherently bad and needs to go hat in hand to europe or wherever and act like a parent apologizing for something their naughty child did.

thats why.
 
right now iraq is a lose lose situation. i think it would be great if we could actually fix the problem in iraq but i really dont think its worth spending the next 5, 10, or some crazy long time there. if we leave now we lose but we get our guys back. if we leave when we are "done" we will most likely lose anyway and lot more americans will die.
 
HAHA ok please, please state that again...McCain has a CONSERVATIVE fp....ahhhhhh that just about kills me. Get your terms right man, his foreign policy is about as conservative as liberachi's anus.

 
Have you ever worked hard physical labor for low pay? To say that most of the wealthy work harder than anyone else for their money is absolutely laughable. There are a lot of people that are workaholics and log 80-100 hours a week and make bank, I'm certainly not denying that. Don't forget though that there are far more people logging that many hours that live at or below the poverty level trying to support their families. I tend to think they work a little harder for that 30 grand than the CEO who pulls in a couple mill plus stock options.

Sure there are people who mooch, that's a fact of life. However, if you want to look at it in terms of long-term good for our country, you have to include the huge environmental costs that most of these super profitable companies are passing on to our children. Our air and water is already highly contaminated, and we've just begin to see the effect of our actions, which grow worse by the day. It's sure gonna be a bitch when we start to actually pay for our shortsightedness. I guess I'm forgetting that we'll be dead by then, and to actually give a shit about our children and future generations would require empathy. Seriously, would a little compassion kill you?
 
hahaha so are you saying rich people didn't have to work hard to make their money? what about steve jobs starting apple computers in a garage or bill gates quitting college to start microsoft? i bet those guys are lazy fuckers who have never worked a day in their life. if we were to have flat tax which would be a step in the right direction and the wealthy would still pay the majority of our taxes. don't even get me started on corporations, they are already being taxed twice. first with a corporate tax (around 35%) then with an income tax for all stockholders. do you realize that some of the wealthiest nations such as japan and taiwan have a zero corporate income tax. hmmm sure sounds like lower taxes can boost the economy right?
 
Re read my post. I clearly stated that while many wealthy people work extremely hard, I still give more props to those busting their asses for 7$ an hour.

Now to the other part of your post. Japans corporate tax rate is 30% in addition to which they pay two classes of local tax paid by the corporation:

1) Inhabitant Tax.

2) Enterprise Tax.

These two classes of local tax significantly increase the rate of Japan corporate tax, so that it may, in actual fact, reach 41%. Where did you get your zero figure?

Japanese personal income tax;

The tax rate for an individual in 2007 is between 5% - 40% which again, is only the national tax, so with local taxes you could be up to approximately 51% in the highest tax bracket.

My numbers are fromhttp://www.worldwide-tax.com

 
im using the term in a colloquial (politically colloquial?) sense. as in a foreign policy that most people here would associate with conservatism. as in a realist foreign policy. as in maintaining American hegemony if possible. maintaining a position of military strength. as in the idea that engaging in conflicts in the Middle East protects us here. looking out for number one first and foremost.

so... there you have it smart guy.
 
now, i agree with most of your statement. however, (not picking a fight here) but those CEO's who make bank deserve that money. the qualifications for a job of that size is tremendous, not to mention the years and years of education and learning it takes to be in that situation.

Just for an example,

say you are the CEO of Coca-cola. You are responsible for a huge corporation with thousands and thousands of employees under you. The work that goes into a job of that size would be unbearable to most people.

just because you don't do physical work doesnt mean those who dont work any less harder.

but i see your point, i do feel bad for those but this is America and you still have the right to make as much money as you can, haha
 
this is really long but glenn beck is the man and you guys should at least consider skimming over this

The March to Communism

February 13, 2008 - 14:20 ET

Learn more about the coming nanny state in the March 2008 Issue of Fusion Magazine.

Overview

We are on a collision course with socialism/communism here in the United States. With McCain being the GOP nominee, Clinton or Obama will be the favorite in the general election. It’s not just a fear slogan to say ‘democrats are communist’ – just take a look at their own words AND policies and decide for yourself.

$1.5 trillion

Number of dollars over the years, state and local governments have promised, but not paid for in retiree health care and other non-pension post-employment benefits.

Feds up to their ears

The federal government is in no position to bail out these states and local governments because their unfunded future liabilities for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid as is widely reported is an estimated $50 TRILLION.

But even that isn’t the FULL story because that $50 TRILLION dollars only projects unfunded liabilities for the next 75 years—unless the government knows something we don’t—a lot of people are still going to be around after 75 years--if you project the unfunded liabilities for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid over the infinite horizon MEDICARE’S UNFUNDED liabilities shoot from $33.9 TRILLION to a present-value unfunded obligation of $74.3 TRILLION—and that’s just MEDICARE!

Democrats (and some R’s) Solution? Spend!

Spend more, lots more! Hillarycare Part II would cost and estimated $110 BILLION a year with Obama’s plan coming in at $60 BILLION annually.

2008 proposed federal budget allocations:

To get an idea just how much the 08 crop wants to spend, here’s what some existing programs already cost.

United States Secret Service 1.4 Billion

Customs and Border Protection 8.8 Billion

Immigration and Customs Enforcement 4.8 Billion

United States Coast Guard 7.3 Billion

The ENTIRE Department of Homeland Security proposed budget for 2008 comes in at $43 BILLION (less than either Hillary’s or Obama’s health care proposal).





Clinton’s other campaign promises:

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Spend $1 Billion For The Development Of Affordable Housing Through Housing Trust Funds. “In order to encourage the development of affordable housing, Sen. Clinton will establish a $1 billion fund to support state, county, and municipal housing trust funds

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Sen. Clinton Has Introduced Legislation And Campaigned To Create A U.S. Public Service Academy, At A Cost Of Approximately $200 Million Annually; Multiplied By 4 Years = $800 Million.

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Sen. Clinton Has Proposed 401(k) For All Americans, Funded In Part By The Government At A Cost Of Up To $25 Billion Per Year, Multiplied By 4 Years = $100 Billion

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Sen. Clinton’s Baby Bond Proposal would give $5,000 to each of the 4 million babies born in the U.S. each year, totaling $20 billion per year, multiplied by 4 years = $80 billion.

$$$$

Clinton wants to create a $50 billion "strategic energy fund" to develop new sources of fuel and has proposed paying for it by eliminating tax subsidies for oil companies. Edwards has outlined a similar program and would eliminate the oil company subsidies as well as establish a cap-and-trade system requiring companies to pay for emitting pollution.

Obama’s other promises

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Credit Card Consumers’ Bill of Rights—“stop credit card companies from exploiting consumers with unfair practices…”

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Credit Card 5 Star Rating System—similar to the Department of Homeland Security’s Color coded threat assessment rating system; Obama, if elected will implement a 5 star rating system for credit cards “which will assess the degree to which credit cards meet consumer-friendly standards…” Senator Obama previously introduced such a bill and put the price tag at $10 MILLION annually

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Foreclosure Prevention Fund. In over your head; bought a home too big for your budget? No problem—Senator Obama is proposing a fund to “assist individuals who purchased homes that are simply too expensive for their income levels…”; estimated FIRST year cost? $10 BILLION.

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Proposal to create 5-E Youth Services Corps (the 5 “E”’s stand for energy, efficiency, environmental education, and employment) as well as a Green Job Corps to engage disconnected and disadvantaged youth in the all things Green.

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Supports requiring employers to give all employees 5 days of paid sick leave

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Supports “encouraging the diversity in the ownership of broadcast media, promote the development of new media outlets for expression of diverse viewpoints, and clarify the public interest obligations of broadcasters who occupy the nation’s spectrum.” Can you say FAIRNESS DOCTRINE or perhaps public funding for Air America?

Totals

$286.999 BILLION

Projected annual spending for Obama’s proposals

$218 BILLION

Projected annual spending for Clinton’s proposals

$7 BILLION

Projected annual spending for McCain’s proposals

$54 BILLION

Projected annual spending for Huckabee’s proposals

$150 BILLION (in savings)

Projected savings after Ron Paul eliminates most of the Government.

What this spending does

1. Push us deeper and further into debt at a time when we absolutely can’t afford it;

2. Reflect a particular paternalistic approach to governing—a true NANY STATE

3. Each proposal increases the absolute RAW power of government

March into Socialism/Communism

Other socialist countries (even Russia in some ways) are decentralizing their form of national healthcare---Obama and Clinton seek to increase government’s role in our medical care and treatment decisions and options; worse yet they plan on burying us in debt in order to do it;

Socialist, communist and totalitarian regimes have always focused on harnessing the youth into national organizations. Within these organizations, ideological conformity can be imposed, future leaders can be groomed and political paybacks can be awarded to those who have donated generously in time or money to a particular candidate.

We had over 60 MILLION Americans volunteer their time last year—most likely without any government incentive for doing so. Do we really need the government sponsoring ideologically based charitable groups like Senator Clinton’s US Public Service Academy or Obama’s 5-E Youth Services Green Army?

Glenn sums it up this way:

‘If you go back and you read history from just before Wilson all the way through FDR, what they were trying to do with these Progressives, which Hillary Clinton claims she is, an early 20th century Progressive. Go back and read about these people. They are telling you who they are, and Americans just won't do the homework. They don't believe in local level. This is the opposite of what our founding fathers set up. These people, all believers in Marxism. They all believed that the Soviet Union would succeed and so what they did was they were looking for something to unite nationally and Mussolini -- you have to put this into perspective. Mussolini was not hated for much of his term. In fact, he was idealized by the left here in America. They thought fascism, before it became about extermination of entire people, they thought, this is a good thing; we could just get the Government to tell people what's good, what's right. That's why the Progressives in the early 20th century brought you prohibition! It wasn't good for you to drink. It wasn't good for society to have alcohol available. And if you didn't agree with them, you were either in on it with big alcohol or you were too stupid and you needed to be retrained. And so they were looking for things that would unite the country but not war and so FDR, one of the projects he started was the Conservation Corps to help the environment, to save our forests. Does any of this sound familiar? Does anybody think that maybe possibly that's the real story behind going green, the environmental movement that now cannot be dissevered from global warming? Starting projects, little armies of the youth! Put them into a mindset that is one with the government, one with the environment, one with the Earth.

Depressing Summary

We hope you think socialism/communism is neat---because we are going to be waist deep in it about 36 months from now!
 
It's a good thing the military is free, because that 500+ billion dollars a year might make all those numbers you quoted look really small in comparison.

You're extremely up in arms about any kind of social spending yet you don't seem to give a shit about the insane amount of pork-barrel spending that comes hand in hand with the recent republican administration. I'd rather my taxes go towards a less than perfect health care system than straight into Halliburton's pockets. (Yes Paul would cut porkbarrel, but Mccain won't.)
 
Heres a couple quick numbers for you guys, regarding our yearly national deficit. Obviously there are a huge amount of factors that come into play so this is an extremely small snapshot of the big picture, but it's pretty clear to me that the bush administration has been anything but fiscally conservative and their spending policies have been in pretty sharp contrast to the liberal, pinko, throws money at anything that moves, communist, America hating Clinton administration

  • Fiscal year 2001 (begins 10/01/00) $144.6 billion
  • Fiscal year 2002 (begins 10/01/01) $409.3 billion
  • Fiscal year 2003 (begins 10/01/02) $589.0 billion
  • Fiscal year 2004 (begins 10/01/03) $605.0 billion
  • Fiscal year 2005 (begins 10/01/04) $523.2 billion
  • Fiscal year 2006 (begins 10/01/05) $536.5 billion
  • Fiscal year 2007 (begins 10/01/06) $514.1 billion

That being said, fuck Hillary, go Obama.

I'm just sick and tired of the insinuation that any liberal is inherently fiscally irresponsible, which couldn't be farther from the reality of the past two decades.
 
Sorry buddy, but that is the most self centered argument.

A capitalist system is a system based on egoism, selfishness and greed. Think about it, we work for money and our own benefit. No one else's. Some people will go as far as back stabbing their best friends just to get richer. Our society is being destroyed by the system. Parents today believe children are just another commodity. But, they realize that children take time and money... lots of money. So they ship their children to a day care so they can work longer hours. The children grow up without parents. Often, they become delinquent.

Social support money is not money lost, its a safety net. This permits all classes of society to have disposable income. In case of a recession or depression, this money is distributed to encourage people to spend. So wellfare is important to the economy. It is taken out of your pay check into a different fund. The government does not have access to this money, nor does it come out of public funds. All the government can do is increase allowance in times of a recession. This plan went into effect after the grand depression.

Now, think of the people who cannot work because of disabilities. So they should be denied of money to take care of themselves and should end out on the street. Sounds fair right? These people already deal with physical difficulties, why add financial? I agree there are some lazy people out there, but some just cant hold a job because of education, mental disabilities or physical disabilities. People fail yes, but we can recover from them, but some just cant.

You sound like the king in robin hood, steal from the poor and give to the rich. Sharing is an important trait of humans.

Let me clarify communism: Communism is equality for all. You do not work for money, you work for the benefit of the human kind. Communism that is taught to you are exaggerated lies. Communism has nothing to do with dictatorship, slavery or brainwashing. How about you really read Marx's manifesto and enlighten yourself.

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html
 
If you want to go live in Cuba or China, be my guest, I'm not stopping you.

And skithesprings, you are the man as is Glenn Beck.
 
Yes, but a lot of the most aggregious pork is in our reconstruction contracts, which I don't see changing significantly.

Also, talk is alot different than actually doing, and since mccain seems to more and more simply bowing down to the mainstream republican party I have trouble believing that he's going to take a very different stance than Bush.
 
What? No Ron Paul circle jerks? Have the e-junkies finally resigned to their defeat?

Obama talks a very good game, but I'm not totally convinced he'll be able to get anything done. He has been fairly vague on how he's actually going to tackle problems. He's going to have a lot to account for when he actually faces non-Democrat candidates and an audience thats not going to eat out of his hand.

McCain has some tendencies I do not like, but he would work more in my conservative interests than a virtual socialist would. I also think that he is more likely to ensure Iraq reaches a reasonable conclusion than anybody in either party.

But in the end, when Hillary loses, everybody wins!
 
did you write this summary? i hope so. because I would never even consider reading a book by someone with that poor of grammar.
 
sorry but i really dont feel like busting my ass working just to pay for everyone else's life..

o yeah im sure China would love to have you as an immigrant..
 
“assist individuals who purchased homes that are simply too expensive for their income levels…” (obama)

this just sent chills down my spine..

take responsibility for your own life people and stop looking for the government to take care of you!!!!
 
umm we American's gave more in charity than any other country, care to take a guess where we got the money? working, yeah capitalism!!!
 
also dont call me a cold heartless bastard, im fine with welfare, if you are doing something to better your situation on your own, but sadly that is not the way the system is set up:(
 
there is a difference between sharing as a human trait(voluntary) and being taxed for that same reason but we do need welfare for those "special instances."

Also there is no motivation under a communistic system. Marx said, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." meaning every person shall produce to the best to their ability in accordance with their talent, and each person shall receive what they need.

the problem there is the government takes everything you make and gives it to whoever needs it. if the government takes everything you make there is no point for motivation and innovation because if you work harder and longer than the next guy that doesnt do shit and the government treats you the same than why the hell you would expel more effort when you both get treated the same?

the answer is you would learn in a hurry that you dont have to work as hard, thus eventually nothing gets done because there is no motivation for a money factor.

The whole point im getting at here is that money is the driving factor. thats why our free capitalistic system works so good because our market keeps us motivated and pays us for our hard work and labor.

would you work hard if the government took everything away from you? of course not.

 
McCain= a democrate

Obama= a democrate

since im a conservative i can honestly say i probably wont vote... now i know everyone is going to say "well then you wont have a say in any political issues in a conversation becasue you couldve had a say and you didnt." but why would i vote for someone i dont want to vote for? i dont support either candidates so i probably wont vote for either unless i hear some better stuff from one of them....but as long as hillary is out of the race, i am glad overall...
 
although they are both liberal in many respects i am sure that you can agree more with mccain than obama. wouldn't you rather have someone that you agree with 40% of the time leading you than someone you agree with 5% of the time? or if you truly feel like not voting for either candidate why not support a third party. ron paul could run as an independent after he drops out (presumably) of the race in march. or hell, nader may even run for the green party..
 
hahaha.....i dont know...but i herd that Micheal Savage might start a 3rd party because its getting to the point where you can vote for a liberal or a democrate....i probably wouldnt vote for nader but if ron paul was in it i might put one towards him more than anyone..
 
he said he might run if we wins that CAI lawsuit but he's running out of time to campaign. i just think that in the case of mccain vs obama from a conservative/libertarian viewpoint (conservatarian) it makes sense to vote for mccain over obama
 
yeah but i still hate McCaine, he is practicaly a democrate since he has soo many liberal views on shit..... so i just wont vote cuz i would be voting against my belief stands.
 
"Americans give seven times more money than people in Germany and 14 times more than Italians give. We also volunteer more."

"America is a uniquely charitable country. So when you hear that "Americans are cheap," just remember: We gave $260 billion in charity last year. That's almost $900 for every man, woman, and child."

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4854
 
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