Mckain or Obama

I used the word "including". Meaning not THE solution, but potentially PART of the solution.

if you've studied any population demographics, you would know that IN GENERAL the number of children a woman has is the direct inverse of her education level, her rights, and her family's economic comfort. Thats why underdeveloped countries have women having averages of 6 kids. She just stays at home popping out kids to help around the farm or whatever. In super techy Germany the factor is around 0.9, meaning yes the population growth is shrinking, but the status of women is much higher.

And there's something called sustainable development, defined as "meeting the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs"......AKA if you have a shit ton of children you're going to suck up resources at a much faster rate.

Also, those families renting in trailer parks or subsidized housing do not pay property tax. And some of those families have kids and send them to public school. Thus another additional burden they provide. Yes public schools are free to attend, but they are heavily supported by property tax of the district. It's just another example of the additional stress they put on the community. Therefore, maybe some auditing of their expenses might help them make the right choices and be able to realize the proper sacrifices that could help lead to fiscal responsibility and stability. An example of bad fiscal responsibility would be I just drove through the Methow Valley (Washington) and people in the trailer parks and a shitload of snowmobiles. Strange.

Yes there are jobs that require cheap labor, and we'll always require that. But if people on gov't support simply sit back and consider the monthly check as a "deserved entitlement", where are we really going? Why should the fact that they are either underpaid or making bad monetary choices.....come of my pockets? Why can't some million dollar CEO take a 1% paycut and pay living wage instead of minimum wage? And living wage cannot include multiple children and a flatscreen, it needs to be reasonable.

And why can't they afford houses? Kerry Killinger, the CEO of Washington Mutual was the highest paid executive in Washington state this past year. Something like $20 million. Higher than the CEOs of Boeing, Starbucks, Amazon, Microsoft. And yet how many people did Washington Mutual's outsourcing of home loans fuck over? And how many mortgage offices did WaMu announce they were going to close? And Kerry Killinger still made paper out the ass. Fuck him too.
 
I'm sorry, but I want to keep what I earn. Taxes aren't going away, and that's just fine. I just don't want them any higher. Helping people is great. And they do get helped. Theres charities that plenty of wealthy people donate to and government programs to help them out. But they eventually need to get out and make some money for themselves too. And don't get me wrong, I'm all for helping them along the way.. but I'm not willing to give up half my salary to do so.

Hahaha and not everyone that's 'wealthy' makes 'millions and millions of dollars'.
 
here are some figures as far as what Americans donate to charity, i think the numbers speak for them self..

"Americans give seven times more money than people in Germany and 14 times more than Italians give. We also volunteer more."

"America is a uniquely charitable country. So when you hear that "Americans are cheap," just remember: We gave $260 billion in charity last year. That's almost $900 for every man, woman, and child."

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4854
 
You are focusing too much on an idealistic community where everyone helps each other out and is just jolly. The FACT is that humans are selfish by nature and nothing will change that. Throughout all of human history everyone has always been fighting for THEIR OWN survival and for their own acquisition of power. The same can be seen when the USSR tried to use communism, human nature fucked it up, the leaders used the system for their own power and dragged the system down.

You're living in a fantasy world if you think communism works on anything other than paper. Very few humans do anything out of the goodness of their hearts, most of the time they do charity and help work it is to make themselves feel better. Needless to say the welfare system we have now is generous and helpful but certainly not fair, a fair system would be everyone contributing the same portion of their income and recieving the exact same benefits. Since this only increase the poverty taking place and in turn make many feel bad about themselves, we will not achieve a fair system, but will remain with small variations on the current system towards either fairness or chairitable values.

And its not stealing from the poor and giving to the rich its actually the opposite, look at the pie graphs, the rich give their money and the poor give nothing. Instead they recieve the money.

Stop living in an idealistic fantasy world and open your eyes to underlying human nature and tendencies which will never allow for all humans to work for the good of humankind collectively.
 
Well i'll just point out two important issues.

IRAQ

I disagree with his Iraq strategy. Maybe it's just me but he seems to contradict himself,

Jon McCain (straight from campaign site)

"A greater military commitment now is necessary if we are to achieve long-term success in Iraq. John McCain agrees with retired Army General Jack Keane that there are simply not enough American forces in Iraq. More troops are necessary to clear and hold insurgent strongholds; to provide security for rebuilding local institutions and economies; to halt sectarian violence in Baghdad and disarm Sunni and Shia militias; to dismantle al Qaeda; to train the Iraqi Army; and to embed American personnel in Iraqi police units. Accomplishing each of these goals will require more troops and is a crucial prerequisite for needed economic and political development in the country. America's ultimate strategy is to give Iraqis the capabilities to govern and secure their own country.

John McCain again (straight from campaign site)

"Increasing U.S. troop levels will expose more brave Americans to danger and increase the number of American casualties. When Congress authorized this war, we committed America to a mission that entails the greatest sacrifice a country can make, one that falls disproportionately on those Americans who love their country so much that they volunteer to risk their lives to accomplish that mission. And when we authorized this war, we accepted the responsibility to make sure those men and women could prevail. Extending combat tours and accelerating the deployment of additional troops is a terrible sacrifice to impose on the best patriots among us, and they will understandably be disappointed when they are given that order."

ENVIRONMENT

* I disagree with his environmental policy, he thinks that the U.S did the right thing when we refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol, and he said that once China and India make environmental policy changes, then the U.S will consider, key word, "consider" changing it's policy. I want a President that is willing to step up to the plate and make the necessary changes to make the U.S an environmental leader in the world, not simply say, let's wait and see what China and India will do.

John McCain on the environment (straight from campaign site)

John McCain has a proud record of common sense stewardship. Along with his commitment to clean air and water, and to conserving open space, he has been a leader on the issue of global warming with the courage to call the nation to action on an issue we can no longer afford to ignore.America has been blessed with a rich and diverse natural heritage. In the tradition of his hero, Theodore Roosevelt, John McCain believes that we are vested with a sacred duty to be proper stewards of the resources upon which the quality of American life depends. Ensuring clean air, safe and healthy water, sustainable land use, ample greenspace - and the faithful care and management of our natural treasures, including our proud National Park System - is a patriotic responsibility. One that must be met not only for the benefit of our generation, but for our children and those to whom we will pass the American legacy.John McCain believes that America's economic and environmental interests are not mutually exclusive, but rather inextricably linked. Our economic prospects depend greatly upon the sustainable use of ample and unspoiled natural resources. A clean and healthy environment is well served by a strong economy. History shows that poverty is a poor steward.As John McCain said, "Americans solve problems. We don't run from them." He believes that ignoring the problem reflects a "liberal live for today" attitude unworthy of our great country, and poses a serious and unacceptable threat to our environment, our economy, and U.S. national security. He has offered common sense approaches to limit carbon emissions by harnessing market forces that will bring advanced technologies, such as nuclear energy, to the market faster, reduce our dependence on foreign supplies of energy, and see to it that America leads in a way that ensures all nations do their rightful share.
By addressing this problem responsibly, John McCain believes we can meet our obligation to be proper caretakers of creation, in a manner of which we can be proud - by protecting our country, strengthening our economy, and addressing the challenges of our time, rather than leaving a much worse problem for our children.

*John McCain's "plan" seems to be way to vague, he offers no specific plan on how to solve anything here. As far as I'm concerned, a goal without a specific plan is just a wish. Come on John, cut out all the talk and get to the point. What are you going to do for the environment? I want a President that makes it very clear what needs to happen to reach their goal, rather than throwing out a blurred vision for the countries future. I believe Obama's plan is much more clear.

Obama on the environment (straight from campaign site)

The Problem

Foreign Oil:[/b] America's 20-million-barrel-a-day oil habit costs our economy $1.4 billion a day, and $500 billion in 2006 alone. Every single hour, we spend $41 million on foreign oil.Climate Change:[/b] As a result of climate change, glaciers are melting faster; the polar ice caps are shrinking; trees are blooming earlier; more people are dying in heat waves; species are migrating, and eventually many will become extinct.
Barrack Obama's PlanCap and Trade:[/b] Obama supports implementation of a market-based cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions by the amount scientists say is necessary: 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050. Obama's cap-and-trade system will require all pollution credits to be auctioned. A 100 percent auction ensures that all polluters pay for every ton of emissions they release, rather than giving these emission rights away to coal and oil companies. Some of the revenue generated by auctioning allowances will be used to support the development of clean energy, to invest in energy efficiency improvements, and to address transition costs, including helping American workers affected by this economic transition.Confront Deforestation and Promote Carbon Sequestration:[/b] Obama will develop domestic incentives that reward forest owners, farmers, and ranchers when they plant trees, restore grasslands, or undertake farming practices that capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.[/list]Support Next Generation BiofuelsDeploy Cellulosic Ethanol:[/b] Obama will invest federal resources, including tax incentives, cash prizes and government contracts into developing the most promising technologies with the goal of getting the first two billion gallons of cellulosic ethanol into the system by 2013.Expand Locally-Owned Biofuel Refineries:[/b] Less than 10 percent of new ethanol production today is from farmer-owned refineries. New ethanol refineries help jumpstart rural economies. Obama will create a number of incentives for local communities to invest in their biofuels refineries.Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard:[/b] Barack Obama will establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard to speed the introduction of low-carbon non-petroleum fuels. The standard requires fuels suppliers to reduce the carbon their fuel emits by ten percent by 2020.Increase Renewable Fuel Standard:[/b] Obama will require 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels to be included in the fuel supply by 2022 and will increase that to at least 60 billion gallons of advanced biofuels like cellulosic ethanol by 2030.[/list]Improve Energy Efficiency 50 Percent by 2030Set National Building Efficiency Goals:[/b] Barack Obama will establish a goal of making all new buildings carbon neutral, or produce zero emissions, by 2030. He'll also establish a national goal of improving new building efficiency by 50 percent and existing building efficiency by 25 percent over the next decade to help us meet the 2030 goal.Establish a Grant Program for Early Adopters:[/b] Obama will create a competitive grant program to award those states and localities that take the first steps to implement new building codes that prioritize energy efficiency.Invest in a Digital Smart Grid:[/b] Obama will pursue a major investment in our utility grid to enable a tremendous increase in renewable generation and accommodate modern energy requirements, such as reliability, smart metering, and distributed storage[/list]Restore U.S. Leadership on Climate ChangeCreate New Forum of Largest Greenhouse Gas Emitters:[/b] Obama will create a Global Energy Forum — that includes all G-8 members plus Brazil, China, India, Mexico and South Africa –the largest energy consuming nations from both the developed and developing world. The forum would focus exclusively on global energy and environmental issues.Re-Engage with the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change:[/b] The UNFCCC process is the main international forum dedicated to addressing the climate problem and an Obama administration will work constructively within it.[/list]
 
two can play copy paste,

We are on a collision course with socialism/communism here in the United States. With McCain being the GOP nominee, Clinton or Obama will be the favorite in the general election. It’s not just a fear slogan to say ‘democrats are communist’ – just take a look at their own words AND policies and decide for yourself.

$1.5 trillion

Number of dollars over the years, state and local governments have promised, but not paid for in retiree health care and other non-pension post-employment benefits.

Feds up to their ears

The federal government is in no position to bail out these states and local governments because their unfunded future liabilities for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid as is widely reported is an estimated $50 TRILLION.

But even that isn’t the FULL story because that $50 TRILLION dollars only projects unfunded liabilities for the next 75 years—unless the government knows something we don’t—a lot of people are still going to be around after 75 years--if you project the unfunded liabilities for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid over the infinite horizon MEDICARE’S UNFUNDED liabilities shoot from $33.9 TRILLION to a present-value unfunded obligation of $74.3 TRILLION—and that’s just MEDICARE!

Democrats (and some R’s) Solution? Spend!

Spend more, lots more! Hillarycare Part II would cost and estimated $110 BILLION a year with Obama’s plan coming in at $60 BILLION annually.

2008 proposed federal budget allocations:

To get an idea just how much the 08 crop wants to spend, here’s what some existing programs already cost.

United States Secret Service 1.4 Billion

Customs and Border Protection 8.8 Billion

Immigration and Customs Enforcement 4.8 Billion

United States Coast Guard 7.3 Billion

The ENTIRE Department of Homeland Security proposed budget for 2008 comes in at $43 BILLION (less than either Hillary’s or Obama’s health care proposal).

Clinton’s other campaign promises:

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Spend $1 Billion For The Development Of Affordable Housing Through Housing Trust Funds. “In order to encourage the development of affordable housing, Sen. Clinton will establish a $1 billion fund to support state, county, and municipal housing trust funds

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Sen. Clinton Has Introduced Legislation And Campaigned To Create A U.S. Public Service Academy, At A Cost Of Approximately $200 Million Annually; Multiplied By 4 Years = $800 Million.

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Sen. Clinton Has Proposed 401(k) For All Americans, Funded In Part By The Government At A Cost Of Up To $25 Billion Per Year, Multiplied By 4 Years = $100 Billion

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Sen. Clinton’s Baby Bond Proposal would give $5,000 to each of the 4 million babies born in the U.S. each year, totaling $20 billion per year, multiplied by 4 years = $80 billion.

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Clinton wants to create a $50 billion "strategic energy fund" to develop new sources of fuel and has proposed paying for it by eliminating tax subsidies for oil companies. Edwards has outlined a similar program and would eliminate the oil company subsidies as well as establish a cap-and-trade system requiring companies to pay for emitting pollution.

Obama’s other promises

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Credit Card Consumers’ Bill of Rights—“stop credit card companies from exploiting consumers with unfair practices…”

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Credit Card 5 Star Rating System—similar to the Department of Homeland Security’s Color coded threat assessment rating system; Obama, if elected will implement a 5 star rating system for credit cards “which will assess the degree to which credit cards meet consumer-friendly standards…” Senator Obama previously introduced such a bill and put the price tag at $10 MILLION annually

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Foreclosure Prevention Fund. In over your head; bought a home too big for your budget? No problem—Senator Obama is proposing a fund to “assist individuals who purchased homes that are simply too expensive for their income levels…”; estimated FIRST year cost? $10 BILLION.

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Proposal to create 5-E Youth Services Corps (the 5 “E”’s stand for energy, efficiency, environmental education, and employment) as well as a Green Job Corps to engage disconnected and disadvantaged youth in the all things Green.

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Supports requiring employers to give all employees 5 days of paid sick leave

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Supports “encouraging the diversity in the ownership of broadcast media, promote the development of new media outlets for expression of diverse viewpoints, and clarify the public interest obligations of broadcasters who occupy the nation’s spectrum.” Can you say FAIRNESS DOCTRINE or perhaps public funding for Air America?

Totals

$286.999 BILLION

Projected annual spending for Obama’s proposals

$218 BILLION

Projected annual spending for Clinton’s proposals

$7 BILLION

Projected annual spending for McCain’s proposals

$54 BILLION

Projected annual spending for Huckabee’s proposals

$150 BILLION (in savings)

Projected savings after Ron Paul eliminates most of the Government.

What this spending does

1. Push us deeper and further into debt at a time when we absolutely can’t afford it;

2. Reflect a particular paternalistic approach to governing—a true NANY STATE

3. Each proposal increases the absolute RAW power of government

March into Socialism/Communism

Other socialist countries (even Russia in some ways) are decentralizing their form of national healthcare---Obama and Clinton seek to increase government’s role in our medical care and treatment decisions and options; worse yet they plan on burying us in debt in order to do it;

Socialist, communist and totalitarian regimes have always focused on harnessing the youth into national organizations. Within these organizations, ideological conformity can be imposed, future leaders can be groomed and political paybacks can be awarded to those who have donated generously in time or money to a particular candidate.

We had over 60 MILLION Americans volunteer their time last year—most likely without any government incentive for doing so. Do we really need the government sponsoring ideologically based charitable groups like Senator Clinton’s US Public Service Academy or Obama’s 5-E Youth Services Green Army?

Glenn sums it up this way:

‘If you go back and you read history from just before Wilson all the way through FDR, what they were trying to do with these Progressives, which Hillary Clinton claims she is, an early 20th century Progressive. Go back and read about these people. They are telling you who they are, and Americans just won't do the homework. They don't believe in local level. This is the opposite of what our founding fathers set up. These people, all believers in Marxism. They all believed that the Soviet Union would succeed and so what they did was they were looking for something to unite nationally and Mussolini -- you have to put this into perspective. Mussolini was not hated for much of his term. In fact, he was idealized by the left here in America. They thought fascism, before it became about extermination of entire people, they thought, this is a good thing; we could just get the Government to tell people what's good, what's right. That's why the Progressives in the early 20th century brought you prohibition! It wasn't good for you to drink. It wasn't good for society to have alcohol available. And if you didn't agree with them, you were either in on it with big alcohol or you were too stupid and you needed to be retrained. And so they were looking for things that would unite the country but not war and so FDR, one of the projects he started was the Conservation Corps to help the environment, to save our forests. Does any of this sound familiar? Does anybody think that maybe possibly that's the real story behind going green, the environmental movement that now cannot be dissevered from global warming? Starting projects, little armies of the youth! Put them into a mindset that is one with the government, one with the environment, one with the Earth.

Depressing Summary

We hope you think socialism/communism is neat---because we are going to be waist deep in it about 36 months from now
 
no there isn't. but could you be a little more specific? If you don't mind I would like to know what "stuff" your talking about.
 
What I copied and pasted was for the purpose of compare and contrast with difference's in candidates ideologies rather than simply reinforcing the opinion of a politically biased commentator. Is it possible that you could throw forward a legitimate argument of your own towards my last post rather than saying, here's Glenn Beck, he's my voice I can't think on my own, let's vote for a republican because otherwise our country is going to turn into a communist state. If that's not a load of fear mongering bullshit I don't know what is.
 
if you're going to copy and paste, keep it to a few paragraphs. if you can't summarize it then you probably don't understand it anyway and you shouldnt be copying it
 
i don't know if this was directed towards me but, what is wrong with using information from two opposing candidates to prove my point? did anyone see my commentary, emphasized with a " * " ?
 
Ummm i have been skiing for a while so i havent really been in the loop but last i checked Obama was in the lead but more super delegates, which are like 600 indvidual people who each have the power of a delegate still have to cast their votes at the convention, a lot of them pledged to hillary but they are going to be pressured by everyone to cast their vote for the winner of the states delegates. I'm pretty sure hillary's campaign is falling apart now so i would put all my money on obama to win the candidacy and 75 percent of the on him to win it alll because people want change... even though im probably gonna vote Mccain... still havent decided though
 
5370232:ThaLetterM. said:
there is no way that obama will get the nomination. even if he wins every single primary, the clintons run that party.

they will not let obama get nominated, its as simple as that
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haha bitch what now
 
5370232:ThaLetterM. said:
there is no way that obama will get the nomination. even if he wins every single primary, the clintons run that party.

they will not let obama get nominated, its as simple as that
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lol
 
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