MARY O'NEIL DOESNT SUPPORT GAY MARIAGE

Sounds like you just find it confusing (or a little appealing) and you feel the need to call them out. The only attention they're seeking is from other gay men (and its catching YOUR eye)
 
seriously. you guys are all god damn hipocrites. you want everything to be equal fr everyone, but if someones opinion differs "oh no, you bigot! thats messed up! your opinion is different! wah!" im all for gay marriage, personally, but wtf people, dont be so stupid.
 
The only thing they care about from marriage is the social security benefits. If they didn't want that than "loving" eachother and spending all time with eachother should be enough
 
well then why dont we just irradicate marriage all together then? if a man and woman want to just spend all the time together, its the same, right?
 
the main problem of this all is this attitude of "i support gay rights and i know a gay dude, but i dont like when they are so up-in-your-face about it". same with PETA. "animal rights: awesome, but they just want attention".

yeah guess fucking what, you have to talk a little louder when youre the minority to be heard. same with atheism/christianity. i dont hate it when someone shoves his beliefs onto me, i just dont like his general attitude and i can understand why he is so up-in-my-face about it because otherwise he wont be able to reach people.

seriously guys, i know its tough, but dont let other guys bother you, just because they "want attention". and if this fact changes how you feel in general about an issue, you have problems.

most people who say that "they dont like attention whores" but "support gays" do not support gays 100% and they know that there is no real argument in favor of it so they resort to these horseshit excuse of an opinion.
 
Is that a practical statement at all? We are being realistic. If you gave gays social security and any bullshit name to say they love eachother they would

Be cool.
 
Only read the first page, but if this wasn't about MaryO, everyone would be going apeshit with the hate.
 
so basically,

MaryO: "can't let them queers get married because my favorite 2000 year old book originally written on animal skins in languages that we can't comprehend today says so."

seems legit
 
MaryO remember when women didn't have rights ? I think we should go back to those days so we don't have to deal with this bullshit
 
Bullshit. Most gay people I know care only about being treated like equals. They care about having their love and relationships recognised and celebrated in the same way their heterosexual peers are. Telling a minority group that having fewer rights "should be enough" for them is condescending, ignorant and downright disrespectful.
 
Yeah, okay.

Try living next to the Castro in San Francisco, then come talk to me.

There's all those catty, "I'm really a girl on the inside" gay people. Which is chill, they live how they want to and I don't have a right to tell them not to. But still, it's fucking annoying.

Also, shops around me sell chocolate dicks filled with marshmallows.

They make awesome birthday presents or "thank you" presents to teachers who were douchebags to you back in high school.
 
^good comment on the video by random youtube user

"Reading the comments about people not understanding the video or the homophobic comments are painful to read. The Lonely Island are showing how ridiculous it is that something as pure as gay marriage is not accepted while crazy detrimental shit is. There is no logical reason to be against gay marriage, and for the people saying it's getting shoved in their faces too much, that's because it's the only fucking way to get the message across to the stupid, ignorant people that are against it."
 


what a thread

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Same people who play that bullshit argument are the same who are against it because gay couples can't physically procreate. It's like them saying they were against the civil rights movement in the 60's because MLK was in everyone's faces with his demonstrations.
 
Okay, I don't get why people get bugged specifically by gay people being loud and annoying. It bugs me when anybody is loud and annoying. Don't say you don't like gays because you don't like annoying people.
 
!!!!!1000TH POST!!!!!

wow this thread is far more interesting than i thought it would be.

So i've been thinking a lot about sexuality recently as a good friend of mine, whom i was at school with for 10 years, came out last summer (/claim), and with all the media attention recently. The funny thing was i was away in new zealand when it happened and i didn't know it had happened and there was quite a funny, awkward chat haha.

Now being from the UK i'm not so hot on US politics, but i would consider myself pretty conservative/right wing, however a strong atheist. What i don't get is why your political views are so connected with your religious views in the states! I fully support state gay marriage, though i do not believe you can force a religion to adopt gay marriage.





HERE'S THE CONTROVERSIAL BIT (please read, i know it is long):

So i used to think that homosexuality must be genetic, after all it is the view that most gay people i know support, after all they would probably have the best idea. I think it is 'natural', homosexuality is seen in many species and in our own has been documented for nearly all of written history. However the more I think about it with logical argument it seems to me we are not born with a fixed sexuality, but it still isn't really a choice either, needless to say though I feel both the feelings of love and lust whether homosexual or heterosexual should be celebrated equally.

My theory is that when we don't really have any sexual orientation until the ages of 12 or so. When we start to have sexual feelings as we go through puberty are brain starts to associate things as having a sexual nature and causes the hormones which make us feel aroused to be released. At this stage, as boys will definitely know, we can get horny at the slightest of things, but the brain slowly forms a picture of what we find more sexually arousing, and stimulation of the senses at particular times (trying to keep this serious!) 'rewards' the brain and reinforces subconsciously sexual orientation if you like.

As a society heterosexuality is the norm, so arousing thoughts of the same sex, are often consciously discarded. Added to this there is lots of advertisement especially in the modern world, with erotic images of the opposite sex. There is also the general view that homosexuality isn't a choice, and in you early teens there is a strong desire desire to conform to what is considered as good or bad. So therefore in the majority people tend to shift toward hetersexual orientation. However a minority hold onto the thoughts of the same sex either because they don't care or they feel different. (this is the ambiguous bit, that i need to think more about and is hard to phrase without hurting peoples feelings).

By mid teens we have presumed our sexuality: straight, gay or bisexual. We begin to have our first sexual experiences and this further reinforces what our brain associates as sexually attractive. We get less horny so thoughts outside what we concern to be arousing get less and less. And by late teens this is pretty set in stone.

Can we change our sexuality? I believe so, it would not be easy though. We would have to rewrite what our brain associates with sexually.

If it is possible should gay people change their sexuality? If they really want to maybe. But as I stated earlier I feel neither homosexual or heterosexual relationships or feelings are superior to one another, and i feel that people shouldn't really need to change their sexuality.

Thanks for reading, i welcome any criticism or argument. Might open this as a separate thread, thoughts?

SPARKNOTES: -i support gay marriage

-imo homosexual and heterosexual relationships have equal value

-there is no conducive evidence to suggest sexuality is genetic

-imo sexuality is not genetic but neither is it really a choice, it is governed by our sexual experiences and thoughts, especially during puberty
 
No. That's 100% bullshit. No government body is forcing any church to do anything. It is simply allowing gays the right to LEGALLY be married and so afford them the same benefits a heterosexual couple gets in the eyes of the law, not the church. Think of it as a civil union, performed outside of the church normally- some churches though allow homosexual weddings so in that case yes they happen within the church- but they are by no means forced to do that if they do not allow homosexual weddings.

Anybody saying "this is forcing the church to marry gays"... No. Just no. It's really saying that just because the Catholic Bible says it's a sin, that should not be applied to every American regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof.

So the next time you hear someone saying that, just know they are an idiot who is just regurgitating something they heard from another fucking clueless moron.
 
Ah, yes, because they are SO much worse than ultra-bro frat dudes "trouncing around" talking about crushing pussy and Natty in public places while blatantly ogling the tits of every attractive woman that walks by. There are flamboyant personalities in every group of people. Just because they're talking about sucking dicks instead of fucking pussy doesn't make it any more offensive, you're just desensitized to the latter. I'd rather see a happy gay couple holding hands, kissing, etc in public than two disgusting heterosexual people the color of Doritos slobbering all over each other.
 
yes im quite curious because if you look at my member number that would mean that i signed up for NS before i was even conceived
 
For a minute I was going to say that you wasted your 1000th post in this shitshow of a thread, but that was actually one of the most intelligent things I've seen someone post on here regarding homosexuality.

I think you're pretty much bang on with your theory, I've thought about this a lot and I really think its a combination of nature/nurture, and a series of experiences that are not necessarily within our control combined with certain genetic traits that form our sexuality. The funny thing is its not necessarily genetic, but its completely out of our control because by the time we are aware of our sexuality its too late to change it.

I kind of disagree with you about the possibility of changing our sexuality though - perhaps it is in the realm of possibility, but its in the realm of "anything is possible" possibility. Maybe in the future it'll be possible to adjust or direct human sexuality in one direction or the other, but right now we don't have a clue what actually goes on to cause these things. Perhaps a gay guy can enjoy having straight sex, but that doesn't change his sexual preference - he still prefers gay sex.
 
but do you not think if a gay man enjoyed having straight sex and continued to do so and discarded thoughts about the same sex it would psychologically change what he subconsciously associates with sexually (-ly)? It'd be a pretty fucked up study to carry out though...
 
lawlz, all these politically correct people getting butthurt about people not liking flamboyantly gay people prancing around are most likely the same people that hate on rednecks for driving pickups and flying confederate flags. "accepting" people are the most unaccepting people ever sometimes
 
In a word... No : )Case and point: Ex-Gay therapy. Many individuals have tried to do exactly what you're talking about, but it never works.

Here's one of the founders of Exodus saying just that:

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At the same time though, if a gay guy could turn straight by having sex with women enough times, couldn't a straight guy turn gay if he had sex with men enough times? This all depends on whether you consider homosexuality an illness or a natural part of human sexuality as a whole - even if you could condition yourself to a specific sexuality, it isn't even remotely worth attempting unless you consider one sexual orientation more valid than another.

Besides - its not learned behaviour - chances are you knew you liked girls before you had sex with one, so having sex to change your sexuality would be going after the effect, not the cause. If you wanted to change your sexuality you'd need to re-experience the aspects of your childhood that influenced your sexuality in a different way, which is arguably impossible because an adult mind functions so much differently than a young mind.
 
not really, its the fact that people are referring to them as 'flamboyant gays' separates/stigmatises a group due to sexuality rather than personality.I do agree that flamboyant attention seeking PEOPLE are really fucking annoying attention seeking girls etc.

compare it to lets say 'flamboyant blacks', some groups need more protection socially, as much as i dislike political correctness it is there for a reason: some people get offended easily and you should be aware of that before making sweeping statements and stereotyping
 
lol when people post a Facebook status voicing their opinion and then delete it when others voice there's. lost some respect
 
the reason people call them flamboyant, or attention seeking, annoying, etc... gays, is to separate them from gays as a whole. they arent saying i hate gays because they're flamboyant and making out in public, they're saying i hate it when gays are overly flamboyant and make out in public. at least thats what ive seen.

and my point was also to point out the accepting, "welcome and accept everyone for their differences" people who, when you arent just like them, have an opinion, dont like something, etc.. turn to completely unaccepting people, hate you and want to rip your throat out. its extremely annoying.

and fuck people who get offended easily. not saying sweeping statements and stereotyping are good. (wouldnt say its always bad either) but regardless of what you say, i could care less if people get offended by it, that shouldnt stop you from saying what you want and expressing an opinion.
 
i dont find i have very offensive opinions, or at least dont surround myself with people that would get offended by my opinions. obviously, its a douche move to go out and voice an "offensive" opinion in an inappropriate place, im not saying if you hate religion to go into a church and start telling everyone how terrible religion is, or to go to a gay bar and say how you dont agree with same sex marriage. so in that case, yes i think people, for the most part, should have some restraint, but really, if people really want to do that, they should be able to, and its fine by me.

but when your discussing/arguing a topic, or are asked your opinion, and your opinion might offend someone, then i dont think there should be restraint, you should say what you feel, IMO we have wayyyyy to much restraint in our culture when it comes to that and people should voice their opinions more often.

it gets back to the PC bullshit thats so in right now, i personally think it does nothing but bad things to our culture, it has absolutely no advantage.
 
Yeah, there are annoying straight people, there are annoying gay people, annoying whites, blacks, asians, every single race or anything. That reason you're "annoyed" is because you're grossed out, and want to cover it up.
 
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