Lemme put it this way

if i was any dumber than i already am for trying to convince you guys that racism exists, i might actually believe it doesn't.
 
13251970:Phil-X- said:
Perfect.

K-rob is a troll. and a very good one at that. No one is this delusional
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here's what's delusional: everything i've stated, all of the facts relating to any of these cases, were instantly ignored by all of you, and your justice system, in favour of the instant conclusion that every single one of these people, no matter how big or small, how awake or asleep, how peaceful or resistant, how criminal or innocent, deserved to die.
 
13252171:californiagrown said:
*male silence you fucking moron
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Her logic is that because I don't speak out against racism, I must be a racist. This is massively flawed. It's the equivalent of thinking you can have sex with any girl walking down the street because they haven't explicitly told you no.

Furthermore, this type of logical fallacy has served only to stifle discussion of race relations and many other social issues. Nobody ever reaches an understanding on these issues because it's rare for somebody to be able to speak against the groupthink without being accused of racism or sexism. In a society where guilty until proven innocent prevails, almost any accusation, no matter how wild or unfounded, is treated as a mark against you. Whites aren't silent on this issue because they're racist. They're silent because they don't want to be accused of racism.
 
13252362:B.Gillis said:
This is hilarious, a canadian crying/talking about american social injustices.
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Funny thing you say that because our government gets into all kinds of shit in countries halfway to the other side of the world.
 
13252011:californiagrown said:
Then you are a moronic simpleton with too much teenage angst. No seriously, that's absolutely delusional logic.

Instead of very calmly, politely, and agreeably handling the situation, you would choose to escalate. Try using your brain instead of your freshly dropped nuts to make decisions and your life won't be so shitty.
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I'm probably older than you, sorry I don't bend over and take it in the ass when a cop asks me too. You americans never cease to amaze me with your love of authority. You're telling me that if the cops just decided to grab you off the street one day for no apparent reason you're just going to comply? No questions asked? Lol that's delusional bro. If I've done something wrong I will 100% comply but if they are detaining me illegally I'm going to stand up for my rights. Fucking Americans....
 
I should also mention that I respect cops who do their job properly and conduct themselves in accordance to the law. What I absolutely do not have time or respect for is cops who abuse their authority, and I'm not too much of a scared bitch to tell them off. Respect gets respect, I don't give a shit if you have a badge, you are a human equal to me. If you are treating me like shit when I have been nothing but respectful I'm not going to let that fly.
 
13252362:B.Gillis said:
This is hilarious, a canadian crying/talking about american social injustices.
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Nations are abstract concepts that don't correlate to reality, reality being that we are all of the same species. Why is it so strange for someone to care about something just because they are physically farther away?

I'm on a roll now. Bring on more down votes!
 
13252567:Miomo said:
Funny thing you say that because our government gets into all kinds of shit in countries halfway to the other side of the world.
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plus i already mentioned that my gf and cousin live in the states, not to mention we share a border, i`m only a 2 hour drive away from your police state.
 
it's real easy to say its not about race but a white cop was fired for choking a white student for a few seconds because it was photographed. nobody did shit for the video of eric garners homicide (is that a nicer word than murder?).
 
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Japan of course, has no crime, none at all, not even cigarette thieves or toy guns. Neither does the UK. Germany has a little bit, every once in a while somebody steals a cigarette or two and is gunned down in the street to set an example. it almost works. America has a lot of crime, and the only way to deal with it is to just kill everyone. it's working great.
 
13252362:B.Gillis said:
This is hilarious, a canadian crying/talking about american social injustices.
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Can't resist...

This is exceptionally ignorant, human rights violations extend to all of humanity. Is your identity defined by an arbitrary political boundary? There is much that America could model from Canada, and beyond that, at least someone cares about injustice, regardless of where it is located. Additionally, probability would say that he is just as close to these issues as most of the NS world, even those who happen to live in the US.

As far as the issue at hand - Quantifiable Evidence is a beautiful thing
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/ - This is a very good site focused on data, the probabilities of grand jury decisions regarding usual cases vs. officer involved cases is ridiculous
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/...-high-attention-in-eric-garners-neighborhood/
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/allegations-of-police-misconduct-rarely-result-in-charges/ - police get special treatment psychologically

For anyone interested to look more objectively at the numbers.

And a more lighthearted article in relation to threat construction - http://www.vox.com/2014/10/17/6988377/threats-to-americans-ranked-ebola-isis-russia-furniture
 
13253299:Cirillo said:
This really doesn't mean anything. I'd be willing to bet an overwhelming majority of those 409 were completely justified (Mike Brown comes to mind).
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I agree, and I would rather they be dead than in prison where I would have to pay for them.
 
13253299:Cirillo said:
This really doesn't mean anything. I'd be willing to bet an overwhelming majority of those 409 were completely justified (Mike Brown comes to mind).
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the difference being that in every other civilized country on earth, shooting unarmed people is never justified.
 
13253302:k-rob said:
the difference being that in every other civilized country on earth, shooting unarmed people is never justified.
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I mean, unless there trying to beat or kill you. How was he to know that he was unarmed?
 
13253300:JustGoWithIt said:
I agree, and I would rather they be dead than in prison where I would have to pay for them.
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Really? This is absolutely absurd to me, although for me putting money above life is, you may live by a very different moral code. Selling Cigarettes = death. Is that justice to you?

Certainly some of these may have been legal based on police standards, but not all.
 
13253302:k-rob said:
the difference being that in every other civilized country on earth, shooting unarmed people is never justified.
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So find me the statistics comparing countries on shootings of completely unarmed, nonviolent citizens and then we can start discussing. The picture you put up really doesn't prove anything.
 
13253305:JustGoWithIt said:
I mean, unless there trying to beat or kill you. How was he to know that he was unarmed?
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even then. any trained police officer should be able to restrain any unarmed citizen (aside from some martial artists), and even if they aren't capable of that most cops carry batons, tasers, pepper spray, etc. that they could use before shooting someone dead. and according to Darren he knew full well that Mike only had some cigs, because according to Darren he was beaten with said cigs. lol. and i have had mosquito bites worse than Darren's so-called injuries from the imaginary beating he got. when he told medics that he was punched in the face, they asked "where?" because they couldn't tell. as opposed to things like

http://41.media.tumblr.com/9bc1886c7430c9eaf69765063cbce7ba/tumblr_nfpp642zmQ1rmhoofo1_1280.jpg[img]

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and other examples of what a beating looks like that our protectors so valiantly provide.
 
embedded code didn't work, my bad, watch the Jon Stewart bit, it's money, a little long for NS attention span but entertaining and worth it.
 
13253310:ASkierNamedJaymz said:
Really? This is absolutely absurd to me, although for me putting money above life is, you may live by a very different moral code. Selling Cigarettes = death. Is that justice to you?

Certainly some of these may have been legal based on police standards, but not all.
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I didn't word that very clearly. What I mean by this is those who are repeat offenders and spend lots of there free time inside a cell while contributing absolutely nothing to society should not be treated like a gem in a potentially deadly confrontation involving police. I am also a big fan of capital punishment and feel it should be the only option in (Most) 1st degree murder cases and more heavily considered in 2nd degree cases.

As for if police are trigger happy, I would say to some extent they are. But I urge you to go walk a mile in their shoes.
 
You've provided absolutely no context to how these occurred. For all we know, they were already in that state when they were arrested.

You can't just show pics of beating victims and say "it was the cops' without links.
 
13253311:Cirillo said:
So find me the statistics comparing countries on shootings of completely unarmed, nonviolent citizens and then we can start discussing. The picture you put up really doesn't prove anything.
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unfortunately, there isn't much to compare to, because the countries they do that kind of stuff in are usually, as implied, not civilized, third-world, and corrupt. you'd be lucky if someone getting shot by the police made the news in some countries, hell you're lucky if it makes the news in america, and america makes a lot more news than anywhere else where cops shoot unarmed civilians.
 
13253335:Cirillo said:
This was done by her boyfriend who happened to be a cop and he was indicted.
http://www.providencejournal.com/br...p-indicted-on-charges-of-rape-and-assault.ece
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damn, her boyfriend beat her harder than mike brown beat darren wilson. chris brown beat rihanna harder than mike beat darren. nfl players beat their wives harder than mike beat his killer. actually today i got into a play fight with my sis and was beaten harder than darren wilson. i might have to shoot her later.
 
also thanks for pointing out that one of the white people i posted for representation wasn't beaten by a cop, and that a cop was indicted for beating the other white person i posted, but dude, this isn't a race thing, so stop trying to make it one.
 
13253343:B.Gillis said:
Some of you guys really need to sit through a criminal justice class or just take a day and do a ride along with any cop in any metro area of the country. I think alot of you really underestimate the day in day out stresses of a police officers job.

You're so quick to blame yet let me put you in a situation where a dude who is easily bigger stronger and more aggressive than you is beating you and trying to take your weapon.

Killing anyone is never the best option. Do you really think Wilson said to himself hey I'm gonna gun this fucker down right now and put him 6 feet under? Do you think any officer wants to walk into a home with a warrant and accidentally shoot and kill a little girl? Do you really think police go to work daily and plan on killing?
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13253342:k-rob said:
also thanks for pointing out that one of the white people i posted for representation wasn't beaten by a cop, and that a cop was indicted for beating the other white person i posted, but dude, this isn't a race thing, so stop trying to make it one.
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Thanks for pointing out the fact that you don't actually look into anything you're talking about and all your opinions are based in emotion instead of fact.
 
13253343:B.Gillis said:
Do you really think Wilson said to himself hey I'm gonna gun this fucker down right now and put him 6 feet under? Do you think any officer wants to walk into a home with a warrant and accidentally shoot and kill a little girl? Do you really think police go to work daily and plan on killing?
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considering half the people on this site have already said they would have shot mike brown dead with about as much vile as you just did, whether or not he beat them, i wouldn't put it past the guy who actually shot him six times and killed him.

also we know that the girl who was killed in her sleep was an accident, but it was an accident that was ruled to be a result of the officer ignoring his training and breaking protocol. the problem isn't that he didn't WANT to kill her, the problem is that he did. as i've already explained, multiple fucking times, when you kill someone, no matter whether or not it was an accident, or you planned it out 3 years in advance, you get charged with SOMETHING (usually something related to the fact that you killed someone), in EVERY FUCKING CASE, EXCEPT THE ONES WHERE WHITE POLICE OFFICERS KILL BLACK PEOPLE, and a few of the ones where random white old dudes kill black people (in america). nobody's family fucking cares if it was an accident. nobody fucking cares if the cop has to go home and cry every night for the rest of his life because he shot a little girl. the point we're making is that he gets to go home, every fucking time, and leave a family broken, and a kid dead, with zero consequences, every fucking time. and even though there has never in the history of america been a racist white police officer, if there had been, he'd have just committed a hate crime and got away with it. that's the point, dude. drunk drivers don't go out and get smashed thinking, "i'm gonna murder someone with my car tonight" but they still get charged with drunk driving and manslaughter.
 
13253360:Cirillo said:
Thanks for pointing out the fact that you don't actually look into anything you're talking about and all your opinions are based in emotion instead of fact.
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thanks for pointing out the facts, again.
 
13253369:B.Gillis said:
You're wrong here .... an entire jury decided that they care, hate to break it to ya.
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sorry, you're confused. what i i meant was that the families of black people killed by police deserve justice.
 
13253361:k-rob said:
as i've already explained, multiple fucking times, when you kill someone, no matter whether or not it was an accident, or you planned it out 3 years in advance, you get charged with SOMETHING (usually something related to the fact that you killed someone), in EVERY FUCKING CASE, EXCEPT THE ONES WHERE WHITE POLICE OFFICERS KILL BLACK PEOPLE, and a few of the ones where random white old dudes kill black people (in america). nobody's family fucking cares if it was an accident.
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White cop charged with killing unarmed black man
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/04/us-usa-south-carolina-murder-idUSKCN0JI1UX20141204

White cop charged with killing a latino guy
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/15/us-usa-colorado-murder-idUSKCN0IZ02520141115
 
13253376:saskskier said:
White cop charged with killing unarmed black man
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/04/us-usa-south-carolina-murder-idUSKCN0JI1UX20141204

White cop charged with killing a latino guy
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/15/us-usa-colorado-murder-idUSKCN0IZ02520141115
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two obscure stories, one from 2011 that was just now decided (what a fucking coincidence) and one from colorado, where you can smoke pot legally, and apparently, not get away with murder. are you forgetting that an unarmed black person is killed by a white cop every 28 hours? or haven't i said that yet?
 
13253378:B.Gillis said:
So do the families of all the unarmed white guys killed by black hood rats and thugs.
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lol sorry i forgot about all the black guys walking out of court with no charges after killing someone, especially unarmed white guys.
 
13253387:B.Gillis said:
It happens alot big daddy, mistrials and everything. Sorry but mike brown getting shot is just one of the many social injustices in america that happen daily to people of every color, size and race.
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which is something to be proud of, obviously.
 
13253396:B.Gillis said:
I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure I never said it was something to be proud of?
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maybe not you but i haven't been arguing with myself this whole thread. also if you guys don't want to talk about race (even though the only reason i'm here is because you're a bunch of fellow skiers who somehow missed every fact in the mike brown case, except the ones made up by darren), we can talk about justice, plain and simple.

why are police officers in america allowed to get away with murder? i know of one situation in which government employees are allowed to shoot and kill civilians, in pretty much every country, but it's called war, and it's usually committed against the citizens of other countries. in america, it happens almost every day, right there in the street, on some guys cameraphone, for us to see. the coroner rules it a homicide. nobody is indicted. Eric Garners children get to grow up hating the police now, as the sons of foreign citizens get to grow up hating Americans, because there is no justice. why is this allowed? (and for anybody who isn't scared to talk about black people, why are they the only ones who care?)
 
also guys, victim blaming is so fucking 2012, so can we stop? like really, even autistic kids know that 12 year-olds can't be responsible for their own murders, unless they like, killed another kids family, and locked them in a cage and didn't feed them anything but bits of their parents, and then the other kid escaped, and stole his dads gun, and got revenge, but that doesn't happen.
 
actually, you guys are pretty good at finding weird shit like that, so if it has happened, i apologize.
 
13253387:B.Gillis said:
Your facts provided were useless. Those articles were all from the same way and the only facts they presented were in federal indictments but nice try homeboy.
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Better than anything else posted, by the same way do you mean, data driven? Granted it's not a perfect comparison because federal indictments are not identical to state level, as far as I know there has not been a meta-analysis of comparable state level data, if you find it and it says the opposite, then we can discuss. Otherwise the blanket statements don't hold much real weight
 
There seem to be several factors contributing to American racism:

3. terrorism portraying anyone of different race as being untrustworthy

2. military and police culture taking a more defensive tactic, rather than an empathetic, understanding stance

1. mass media focusing on sensationalism/fear mongering to spread useful information*

*drive up ratings to increase profit margins.

I watch the news in passing a few times a year. It truly is garbage. literally nothing to gain. A good tactic is to live in your world and make a difference to those around you. If you see something wrong happening, speak out, act if necessary. You aren't helping anyone in missouri if you aren't there are you? Is it ignorance or is it realistic to avoid the horrors there and focus on your own city? I saw 10 cops walking in a row in full combat gear in Portland today and it scared the shit out of me, not to mention the seven others I saw on horseback. What are they doing? What are they trying to prove? The better question is who are they, individually, and are they fit to be in a position of such power.

Monitoring the tendencies of psychologically/emotionally erratic people is important, but of equal, if not more importance, is of those who are given the power to protect us from those others if need be. You think some fuckwad 19-year-old who decides they want to be in the army or a police officer when they have no other options is a good thing? Especially the way such institutions train those kids? That's a ballsy and highly contentious statement, but a regiment of paranoia and aggressive instinct is not the way to resolve differences.
 
13253403:k-rob said:
i know of one situation in which government employees are allowed to shoot and kill civilians, in pretty much every country, but it's called war
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in what fucking world are soldiers allowed to shoot civilians? THAT would be ok to you, but police using lethal force on criminals is the end of the world?

in no way, shape, or form are soldiers authorized to open fire on CIVILIANS in another country...
 
13253412:plyswthsqrrls said:
in what fucking world are soldiers allowed to shoot civilians? THAT would be ok to you, but police using lethal force on criminals is the end of the world?

in no way, shape, or form are soldiers authorized to open fire on CIVILIANS in another country...
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well dude thats my point, it happens anyways, and they get away with it. i never said it was ok, or if i did, i was being sarcastic (i really hope you guys have noticed i'm being sarcastic a lot in here). look at pretty much any war death toll and tell me that the civilian count got justice for their deaths. kinda like this crazy fuckin world where cops can shoot unarmed civilians and get away with it called america? idk how you guys keep missing the point entirely, i'm saying IT'S NOT OK, lol.
 
to put it straight, my only agenda, is to see maybe, let's say, 25% of cop vs unarmed civilian deaths (i don't think the unarmed civilian wins too often), in america, to see justice served in a real court of law, by fair and just laws, to the victims families, by 2020. and while we're at it, let's get the numbers on cops killing unarmed civilians down about 99% by right fuckin now, cause that shit is ridiculous and doesn't need to be happening 2 fuckin hours away from me, or in my own imaginary lines of separation either, duh.
 
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