Lemme put it this way

[*TURBONERD*]

Like 95% of blacks are racist. But in the court of public opinion, racism is only a crime if you're white.

You know why you don't hear me complaining about blacks being racist? Because being racist is not a bad thing. The fact of the matter is that racism is born of observation and pattern detection. You don't pop out of the womb thinking black-skinned people are thugs; that intuition builds from seeing a lot of thugs and realizing that most of them are black. Being scared of blacks is like being scared of sharks. Sure, the vast majority of sharks aren't going to attack me, but I'd be fucking idiot to not be more careful around a shark than I am around a dolphin.

If being more cautious around blacks means you have to shoot a robber dead in the street every now and then, so be it. And don't even get me started on Eric Garner. His littany of health issues and prior arrests are what killed him, not out-of-control police.

I know Frenchy is ignorant, but your trolling has reached new levels of blatant laziness here.

 

[toastyteenagers]

not one of these threads

 

[Scaredwhiteboy]

I know Frenchy is ignorant, but your trolling has reached new levels of blatant laziness here.

Calling people ignorant because they have different opinions than you does not suggest intelligence.

 

[*TURBONERD*]

Calling people ignorant because they have different opinions than you does not suggest intelligence.

You're right. Refusing to accept the experiences of people of different ethnicity, race, and sexuality from oneself is better characterized as closed-minded.

 

[987321654hgfd]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/24/us-usa-police-shooting-idUSKBN0K20I920141224

Why do they have to start an article off "A white policeman shot dead a black man..."

This shooting was not racial at all. The guy had a gun and pointed it at a cop. That is as clear cut as it gets. Yet people are up in arms about this one already.

 

[Scaredwhiteboy]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/24/us-usa-police-shooting-idUSKBN0K20I920141224

Why do they have to start an article off "A white policeman shot dead a black man..."

This shooting was not racial at all. The guy had a gun and pointed it at a cop. That is as clear cut as it gets. Yet people are up in arms about this one already.

They start the aritlce that way because it's what they need to do to keep eyeballs on the screen.

People don't buy newspaper subscriptions anymore. News outlets are having to cater to the online crowd which can scan every outlet's articles and only read the most interesting ones. If you want people to click on your articles, you can't have some boring article about a cop killing a criminal; you need something juicy or something that plays into prejudices.

It's sad, but the fact of the matter is that journalistic integrity is dead because it's not what the masses want.

 

[louie.mirags]

This makes me so happy. If you can't speak English, get the fuck out of my country.

your country?

hahahahahahaha

 

[.frenchy]

You're right. Refusing to accept the experiences of people of different ethnicity, race, and sexuality from oneself is better characterized as closed-minded.

I love being close minded :^)

your country?

hahahahahahaha

lol

 

[SpookyCat]

Yeah everyone who doesn't agree with you and k-rob is a bigot. You're totally right.....

Read the fucking replies man, nobody is being a huge racist but k-rob.

cry more

You don't have to lynch a person with dark skin to be a racist. You're doing a fine job of that by sneaking it into every response about your "personally held beliefs" aka racist bullshit.

If you think skin color has any bearing on who you are as a person, you are racist. If you think that you have zero prejudices or your fellow people of white skin are perfect, you are racist. If you take stats and say, "look there's scientific evidence that black people commit more crime!", then you might as well start wearing a white hood because you couldn't be more obvious.

 

[Scaredwhiteboy]

You don't have to lynch a person with dark skin to be a racist. You're doing a fine job of that by sneaking it into every response about your "personally held beliefs" aka racist bullshit.

If you think skin color has any bearing on who you are as a person, you are racist. If you think that you have zero prejudices or your fellow people of white skin are perfect, you are racist. If you take stats and say, "look there's scientific evidence that black people commit more crime!", then you might as well start wearing a white hood because you couldn't be more obvious.

Let's break this down sentence by sentence:

"If you think skin color has any bearnig on who you are as a person, you are racist"

Actually, that's not what racism is. Try again. Also, if you legitimately think there's no way different skin color could be associated with different internal characteristics, you're a moron.

"If you think that you have zero prejudices or your fellow people of white skin are perfect, you are racist"

The first one is a non-sequitur. The second one is true of nobody in this thread so why even bring it up?

"If you take stats and say, "look there's scientific evidence that black people commit more crime!", then you might as well start wearing a white hood because you couldn't be more obvious."

You have to be trolling, right? Black people are stupider than white people. That is a fact of the universe. Recognizing this and similar facts does not make you a racist. If it did, the only way you could not be a racist is to be ignorant or mentally insane.
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/03/2008-sat-scores-by-race-by-income.html

 

[SpookyCat]

Let's break this down sentence by sentence:

"If you think skin color has any bearnig on who you are as a person, you are racist"

Actually, that's not what racism is. Try again.

I stopped here because I curb stomped a puppy out of frustration. Have fun with the Klan!

 

[Scaredwhiteboy]

I stopped here because I curb stomped a puppy out of frustration. Have fun with the Klan!

Cute, but calling people racist even when they aren't just to win an argument is exactly why half the country ignores race issues.

 

[SpookyCat]

Cute, but calling people racist even when they aren't

"Black people are stupider than white people. That is a fact of the universe"

Please go say this to an educated person with black skin (don't worry they're out there) and see how that goes for you. After all, you're not racist so it should work out well.

 

[.frenchy]

You don't have to lynch a person with dark skin to be a racist. You're doing a fine job of that by sneaking it into every response about your "personally held beliefs" aka racist bullshit.

Lol, fuck off i'm not racist.

The only black things I shoot are called Honkers, and I have my permits for it :^)

 

[Scaredwhiteboy]

"Black people are stupider than white people. That is a fact of the universe"

Please go say this to an educated person with black skin (don't worry they're out there) and see how that goes for you. After all, you're not racist so it should work out well.

Didn't I cite a source? I could swear I cited a source. Oh, I did cite a source.

Maybe you should peruse it? Nah, too much work. Let's just call other people ignorant and hope they don't notice I'm the ignorant one.

 

[Bombogenesis]

"Black people are stupider than white people. That is a fact of the universe"

Please go say this to an educated person with black skin (don't worry they're out there) and see how that goes for you. After all, you're not racist so it should work out well.

You should probably scramble your password and log out. It's time.

 

[~~~~~~~~]

Black people are stupider than white people. That is a fact of the universe.

Can this guy PLEASE be banned now? he is adding absolutely nothing except ignorant Garbage that instills hate that should not have any place on this site, trolling or not.

 

[iH8pow]

Like 95% of blacks are racist. But in the court of public opinion, racism is only a crime if you're white.

You know why you don't hear me complaining about blacks being racist? Because being racist is not a bad thing. The fact of the matter is that racism is born of observation and pattern detection. You don't pop out of the womb thinking black-skinned people are thugs; that intuition builds from seeing a lot of thugs and realizing that most of them are black. Being scared of blacks is like being scared of sharks. Sure, the vast majority of sharks aren't going to attack me, but I'd be fucking idiot to not be more careful around a shark than I am around a dolphin.

If being more cautious around blacks means you have to shoot a robber dead in the street every now and then, so be it. And don't even get me started on Eric Garner. His littany of health issues and prior arrests are what killed him, not out-of-control police.

I have a story that relates. When I was a really little kid, like just a couple years over definitely not even in kindergarten yet. Anyways, my mom took me to the zoo and bought me an ice cream sandwich. As I was eating this ice cream sandwich, a little african american boy apparently came up to me, swiped the sandwich and ate it right in front of my face. My mom says I was just in utter shock.

So that experience is why now wildly racist: I'm an avid supporter of the white devil that keeps the black man down and I actively volunteer to distribute crack to the black community.

Also, K-rob isn't posting lately. He's either too superkrobbed to post, or my guess is he got stomped down by RCMP horses for disturbing the peace (I imagine it was a horse, they don't have guns in canada-do they?)

 

[Bombogenesis]

Can this guy PLEASE be banned now? he is adding absolutely nothing except ignorant Garbage that instills hate that should not have any place on this site, trolling or not.

How about instead of calling for the silencing of anyone who holds a dissenting opinion, you instead challenge the citation he made? Shows a weak debater to just call for someone's banning IMO.

 

[~~~~~~~~]

How about instead of calling for the silencing of anyone who holds a dissenting opinion, you instead challenge the citation he made? Shows a weak debater to just call for someone's banning IMO.

No, that is not a debate worth happening and should have no place on this site.

 

[Bombogenesis]

No, that is not a debate worth happening and should have no place on this site.

Says you? You're the judge jury and executioner? That's neat.

 

[.frenchy]

No, that is not a debate worth happening and should have no place on this site.

Grow some tougher skin there, m8.

 

[JGWI]

How about instead of calling for the silencing of anyone who holds a dissenting opinion, you instead challenge the citation he made? Shows a weak debater to just call for someone's banning IMO.

What good is challenging op going to do? There are 7 pages of such attempts that have yet to change his mind. I honestly just enjoy reading through this thread because of all the thought out answers on both sides. Good for the brain.

 

[Bombogenesis]

What good is challenging op going to do?

90% of the time debating someone won't change their mind but it's healthy to have differing opinions from one another, especially if you can do it in a mature fashion which we here are admittedly not always good at.

 

[*TURBONERD*]

Didn't I cite a source? I could swear I cited a source. Oh, I did cite a source.

Maybe you should peruse it? Nah, too much work. Let's just call other people ignorant and hope they don't notice I'm the ignorant one.

I'll call you out on the source; I still would be shocked if this were anything other than trolling, though.

You're claiming that the SAT is an absolute test of intelligence, when no such thing really exists. Additionally, the source isn't at all saying that 'black people are dumber than white people; it simply points out that there is a score gap independent of income, but goes on to point out that net worth and other factors, such as cultural capital, are possible (and in my opinion, probable) reasons for this gap.

 

[SpookyCat]

I'll call you out on the source; I still would be shocked if this were anything other than trolling, though.

You're claiming that the SAT is an absolute test of intelligence, when no such thing really exists. Additionally, the source isn't at all saying that 'black people are dumber than white people; it simply points out that there is a score gap independent of income, but goes on to point out that net worth and other factors, such as cultural capital, are possible (and in my opinion, probable) reasons for this gap.

Oh nice! OK let me jump in and I'll predict what the racists will say in response to your post...

UM no! ur like totally not right! black people are like totally more dumm than white people. i'm not racist but like if you have black skin, you're totally going to be like more violent, more poor and more stupid than if you have white skin. case closed, here are two more statistics for me to take out of contexxt.

 

[k-rob]

Also, K-rob isn't posting lately. He's either too superkrobbed to post, or my guess is he got stomped down by RCMP horses for disturbing the peace (I imagine it was a horse, they don't have guns in canada-do they?)

not that anyone ought to be keeping track of my posting habits, but i'm with my girlfriend in america for the holidays. glad you guys are still posting.

 

[Scaredwhiteboy]

I'll call you out on the source; I still would be shocked if this were anything other than trolling, though.

You're claiming that the SAT is an absolute test of intelligence, when no such thing really exists. Additionally, the source isn't at all saying that 'black people are dumber than white people; it simply points out that there is a score gap independent of income, but goes on to point out that net worth and other factors, such as cultural capital, are possible (and in my opinion, probable) reasons for this gap.

SAT is the most widespread and well-known measure of intelligence there is. As long as there is no perfect measure of intelligence, SAT scores will have to do. Other measures of intelligence, IQ and ACT, also show the same racial disparities as the SAT. For example, the mean difference between whites and blacks on IQ exams is 15 points.

Also, it should be noted that I provided the link with SAT scores normalizing for family income solely because I knew it's the first thing you guys would talk about if I just provided the raw averages. I actually do not care what causes blacks to score lower than whites. All I care is that, on average, they do score quite a bit lower than whites. Deliberately ignoring this fact does not make you a saint of egalitarianism; it makes you ignorant.

In the US, if you take a random black person off the street and a random white person off the street, statistically speaking the white person will probably be smarter than the black person. Call it racism if you want, but it's fact.

 

[louie.mirags]

SAT is the most widespread and well-known measure of intelligence there is. As long as there is no perfect measure of intelligence, SAT scores will have to do. Other measures of intelligence, IQ and ACT, also show the same racial disparities as the SAT. For example, the mean difference between whites and blacks on IQ exams is 15 points.

Also, it should be noted that I provided the link with SAT scores normalizing for family income solely because I knew it's the first thing you guys would talk about if I just provided the raw averages. I actually do not care what causes blacks to score lower than whites. All I care is that, on average, they do score quite a bit lower than whites. Deliberately ignoring this fact does not make you a saint of egalitarianism; it makes you ignorant.

In the US, if you take a random black person off the street and a random white person off the street, statistically speaking the white person will probably be smarter than the black person. Call it racism if you want, but it's fact.

Google Translate:

blah blah blah I am a dirty racist with #'s to reflect how I feel inside

 

[Scaredwhiteboy]

Google Translate:

blah blah blah I am a dirty racist with #'s to reflect how I feel inside

Better translation: The way I feel inside accurately reflects the real world.

 

[*TURBONERD*]

SAT is the most widespread and well-known measure of intelligence there is. As long as there is no perfect measure of intelligence, SAT scores will have to do. Other measures of intelligence, IQ and ACT, also show the same racial disparities as the SAT. For example, the mean difference between whites and blacks on IQ exams is 15 points.

Also, it should be noted that I provided the link with SAT scores normalizing for family income solely because I knew it's the first thing you guys would talk about if I just provided the raw averages. I actually do not care what causes blacks to score lower than whites. All I care is that, on average, they do score quite a bit lower than whites. Deliberately ignoring this fact does not make you a saint of egalitarianism; it makes you ignorant.

In the US, if you take a random black person off the street and a random white person off the street, statistically speaking the white person will probably be smarter than the black person. Call it racism if you want, but it's fact.

As to the first part of your post, read this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...ligence-is-a-fallacy-study-finds-8425911.html

As to the second half, if you don't care about what causes blacks to score lower than whites, you're being willfully ignorant and I won't bother responding to any other posts you make in this thread. If there were some way of imposing the flawed existing intelligence tests on newborns, you'd have some ground to stand on, but your argument completely ignores both epigenetics and the fact that new neurological connections are constantly being made as a result of life experience; both of these factors are influenced by race.

 

[Scaredwhiteboy]

As to the first part of your post, read this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...ligence-is-a-fallacy-study-finds-8425911.html

As to the second half, if you don't care about what causes blacks to score lower than whites, you're being willfully ignorant and I won't bother responding to any other posts you make in this thread. If there were some way of imposing the flawed existing intelligence tests on newborns, you'd have some ground to stand on, but your argument completely ignores both epigenetics and the fact that new neurological connections are constantly being made as a result of life experience; both of these factors are influenced by race.

Okay fine. To satisfy your pedantism, I'll rephrase my initial statement: Blacks are stupider than whites by most measures of intelligence, but these measures of intelligence may not be perfect. Whatever causes this difference in intelligence is irrelevant because the difference itself disproves the claim that both races are equal.

 

[LiquorLanch]

 

[*TURBONERD*]

Okay fine. To satisfy your pedantism, I'll rephrase my initial statement: Blacks are stupider than whites by most measures of intelligence, but these measures of intelligence may not be perfect. Whatever causes this difference in intelligence is irrelevant because the difference itself disproves the claim that both races are equal.

You're saying that environmental factors are an inherent quality of race and not a result of systemic repression and inequality, which is wrong, but good verbal gymnastics.

 

[Scaredwhiteboy]

You're saying that environmental factors are an inherent quality of race and not a result of systemic repression and inequality, which is wrong, but good verbal gymnastics.

That is not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying blacks score worse than whites on intelligence tests which proves blacks and whites and are not equal. Don't put words in my mouth.

 

[.frenchy]

You're saying that environmental factors are an inherent quality of race and not a result of systemic repression and inequality, which is wrong, but good verbal gymnastics.

lol so many big words :^)

 

[*TURBONERD*]

Okay fine. To satisfy your pedantism, I'll rephrase my initial statement: Blacks are stupider than whites by most measures of intelligence, but these measures of intelligence may not be perfect. Whatever causes this difference in intelligence is irrelevant because the difference itself disproves the claim that both races are equal.

That is not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying blacks score worse than whites on intelligence tests which proves blacks and whites and are not equal. Don't put words in my mouth.

I apologize; you don't say it but rather imply it. You're still wrong, though. As I stated already, the tests don't test "inherent" qualities; everything that's tested is a result of environmental and genetic factors. As such, there's no proof whatsoever that the two races aren't inherently equal.

lol so many big words :^)

Will you ignore them?

 

[B.Aussie]

I apologize; you don't say it but rather imply it. You're still wrong, though. As I stated already, the tests don't test "inherent" qualities; everything that's tested is a result of environmental and genetic factors. As such, there's no proof whatsoever that the two races aren't inherently equal.

I think he's saying regardless of the reasons why, "black" score lower on test which are used to measure intelligence such as IQ and SAT tests. So in a modern day society "blacks" would have on average lowered IQ. However due to repression, lowered focus on education ect are potentially the cause of this as to my knowledge there have been no studies on whether genetics play a factor in this difference, if you accept that there is a difference in the first place.

 

[*TURBONERD*]

I think he's saying regardless of the reasons why, "black" score lower on test which are used to measure intelligence such as IQ and SAT tests. So in a modern day society "blacks" would have on average lowered IQ. However due to repression, lowered focus on education ect are potentially the cause of this as to my knowledge there have been no studies on whether genetics play a factor in this difference, if you accept that there is a difference in the first place.

I absolutely understand that's what he's saying; I take issue with his statement that the reason for the score gap doesn't matter.

 

[.frenchy]

I think he's saying regardless of the reasons why, "black" score lower on test which are used to measure intelligence such as IQ and SAT tests. So in a modern day society "blacks" would have on average lowered IQ. However due to repression, lowered focus on education ect are potentially the cause of this as to my knowledge there have been no studies on whether genetics play a factor in this difference, if you accept that there is a difference in the first place.

Why do you have to put the word black in quotations every time you say it....

 

[SpookyCat]

Why do you have to put the word black in quotations every time you say it....

Because she doesn't want to group a bunch of different people together based on something meaningless like their skin color but in order to discuss something with ignorant racist pigs like yourself, she has to use the same language.

 

[.frenchy]

Because she doesn't want to group a bunch of different people together based on something meaningless like their skin color but in order to discuss something with ignorant racist pigs like yourself, she has to use the same language.

I wouldn't care if someone called me white? I'm white, nothin to be ashamed of.... Why is calling someone by their skin color bad? And way to call me a racist when I didn't even say anything, you fucking shit sipper.

 

[Sno.]

Oh nice! OK let me jump in and I'll predict what the racists will say in response to your post...

UM no! ur like totally not right! black people are like totally more dumm than white people. i'm not racist but like if you have black skin, you're totally going to be like more violent, more poor and more stupid than if you have white skin. case closed, here are two more statistics for me to take out of contexxt.

SAT is the most widespread and well-known measure of intelligence there is. As long as there is no perfect measure of intelligence, SAT scores will have to do. Other measures of intelligence, IQ and ACT, also show the same racial disparities as the SAT. For example, the mean difference between whites and blacks on IQ exams is 15 points.

Also, it should be noted that I provided the link with SAT scores normalizing for family income solely because I knew it's the first thing you guys would talk about if I just provided the raw averages. I actually do not care what causes blacks to score lower than whites. All I care is that, on average, they do score quite a bit lower than whites. Deliberately ignoring this fact does not make you a saint of egalitarianism; it makes you ignorant.

In the US, if you take a random black person off the street and a random white person off the street, statistically speaking the white person will probably be smarter than the black person. Call it racism if you want, but it's fact.

Ok-- I'm sure you're aware of what you're doing, but just in case you don't the issue here is that you're using the word "smarter"--which is a subjective term. the objective term would be "less educated." This is an important distinction seeing as the first implies that there is something about the color of their skin that inherently makes them less capable of intelligence than someone with white skin. The latter implies that society is responsible instead, and that the stats you're referring to are a result of correlation, not causation. There is a correlation between lower test scores and black students--not surprisingly there are many reasons for that that are no fault of their own. There is not causation--that being black causes them to score lower. White people are not smarter than black people. White people score higher on tests for many reasons, all of which are institutionalized and historical racism.

 

[Sno.]

^I meant to quote Jennifer in a separate post, and say "stop calling everyone racist"

 

[Sno.]

^also, the word "smarter" is not only subjective, but is usually associated with potential, or capacity for intelligence. So to say that one race is "smarter" than the other implies that they have less capacity for intelligence, which would be a racist thing to say because you'd be claiming an inferiority based on skin color. Again, I don't see how you can't be away of this tactic, but the back and forth is ridiculous.

"white people are smarter than black people. look at the facts"

 

[SpookyCat]

^I meant to quote Jennifer in a separate post, and say "stop calling everyone racist"

I didn't know two racists constituted as everyone on this site... unless you're meaning to say that most of this site consists of uneducated, ignorant kids who are repeating their parents' racist thoughts without knowing it.

 

[.frenchy]

I didn't know two racists constituted as everyone on this site... unless you're meaning to say that most of this site consists of uneducated, ignorant kids who are repeating their parents' racist thoughts without knowing it.

Oh man.... Who in this thread are the racists? Humor me.

 

[DJtearegas]

Because she doesn't want to group a bunch of different people together based on something meaningless like their skin color but in order to discuss something with ignorant racist pigs like yourself, she has to use the same language.

chill fam race isnt meaningless

browse this album for more info and stats
http://imgur.com/a/FgB5U

there are a lot of pics, all with sources there, but heres the jist:

-blacks do worse in school regardless of parental income or parental education

-its easier to get into medical school if youre a minority thansk to your minority status

-if you enter into an interracial relationship with a black person (as a white person) youre more likely to get STDs or be the victim of DV

-blacks commit far more violent crime, and this is independent of their economic status

-if america had only white gun violence we'd have the same gun murder rate of Luxembourg

with this all said I firmly believe one race isnt better than another, Im not a white supremacist and by definition not a racist, but blacks and hispanics certainly commit more crime than whites and asians certainly commit less

just for reference I'm a white male with english, german, and manx heritage