Lemme put it this way
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gnarballsianm
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The thread has turned into Canada vs America.
DasGoatenshafter
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13250801:gnarballsianm said:
That was partially my bad, sorry.
Mr.Huck
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With all do respect, you are just wrong. Robbery is a violent crime per the FBI:
In the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Violent crimes are defined in the UCR Program as those offenses which involve force or threat of force.
A person has the right to defend themselves against violent crimes. A police officer is still considered a person. If you are robbing my house, I have the right to shoot you.
It pisses me off when people refer this as someone receiving the "Death Penalty". One who is convicted of a capital crime by a jury of his peers can be sentenced to death. These people didn't receive the death penalty. People who are shot by cops are using deadly force or are perceived as eminently threatening to use deadly force.
If I attacked a cop or threatened them with a weapon, I would assume that there was a very high probability that he or she would shoot me. When you are aggressive with a police officer you are instantly upping the ante and, if you are able to walk away from the encounter on your own, you should consider yourself very lucky. This is a cause and effect that is color blind.
You may be profiled, you may be hassled, and white people can be profiled too. I got pulled over driving my wife's old beater of a car, and I know the guy was checking to see if I had weed in the car. You will not get shot unless you do something really stupid.
The argument that this sign represents is just idiotic. If you use violence against someone else, they can and will use violence to defend themselves. It's just that simple. I know this is pretty callous, but if a mother isn't capable of teaching her kids not to rob people and her kid gets shot, that's on her.
In the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Violent crimes are defined in the UCR Program as those offenses which involve force or threat of force.
A person has the right to defend themselves against violent crimes. A police officer is still considered a person. If you are robbing my house, I have the right to shoot you.
It pisses me off when people refer this as someone receiving the "Death Penalty". One who is convicted of a capital crime by a jury of his peers can be sentenced to death. These people didn't receive the death penalty. People who are shot by cops are using deadly force or are perceived as eminently threatening to use deadly force.
If I attacked a cop or threatened them with a weapon, I would assume that there was a very high probability that he or she would shoot me. When you are aggressive with a police officer you are instantly upping the ante and, if you are able to walk away from the encounter on your own, you should consider yourself very lucky. This is a cause and effect that is color blind.
You may be profiled, you may be hassled, and white people can be profiled too. I got pulled over driving my wife's old beater of a car, and I know the guy was checking to see if I had weed in the car. You will not get shot unless you do something really stupid.
The argument that this sign represents is just idiotic. If you use violence against someone else, they can and will use violence to defend themselves. It's just that simple. I know this is pretty callous, but if a mother isn't capable of teaching her kids not to rob people and her kid gets shot, that's on her.
cool_name
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13250401:californiagrown said:
You mean that thing I just described, no never heard of it. I really don't see what you are getting at either
13250679:yuck said:
Actually yes I did know that they lose their tax benefits and such if they leave. Your whole argument is ridiculous as well. You are arguing against getting rid of their benefits, by showing how the benefits have made them worse off, I just don't see the flow of reasoning there.
What do you mean they can't afford education, if they choose to go UBC for example they won't pay a cent in tuition for their entire undergrad. You may try and respond how their is more to pay for during school then just tuition which is true, however they have plenty of scholarships to help cover these costs and even without them, a part time job can easily cover all those expenses such as books and rent, even in a city with as expense rent as Vancouver.
As far as the argument stating that not owning a house is stopping them from moving out because they won't have the funds from selling the house it is also shit. Guess what, nobody(well except the super rich), owns a house before they move out, but they all seem to manage. When I move out from my parents house I will forced with the same shit of paying rent while saveing up for down payment, just like everyone else. If these people can manage to save up for a down payment, while paying rent, I'm sure the natives could do the same especially seeing as they won't even have to pay rent while saving up.
In the end it is a sheer lack of motivation from the natives to get there shit together, what is worse is that a lot of natives will look down on you for being motived and wanting to succeed(coming from a native who used to live on a reserve near my house) which obviously kills any motivation in young kids growing up on the reserve.
k-rob
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13251094:JustGoWithIt said:Lemme put it this way.
There is a difference between this...
And this...
I am not denying that this is a huge problem in the US, but in general the black community tends to lead to the second picture more so than other races, which is not helping the situation.
lol yeah standing in the street protesting injustices is definitely a terrible thing to do. hell standing in the street minding your own business can get you fucking murdered, how dare they go so far as to ask for basic human rights?
saskskier
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13250368:cool_name said:
Do you know any aboriginal people? If you did, you know would know what a load of bs this is.
The federal gov't provides some funding for status indians to receive from their band. There is often a crap load of politics involved in getting it (do you have relatives on the council? Are you related to the chief? Etc). Even then, if they decide you are eligible, they might pay for everything, or they might give you a couple hundred bucks a month. Even then, they can decide to pull funding whenever they want. Most of the aboriginal people I went to university applied for funding from their band and either received nothing or next to nothing and had to pay for it just like everyone else.
So no. No free tuition.
JGWI
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13251131:k-rob said:
Standing in the street? Building don't just set themselves on fire nor do cars just randomly flip on their roofs. The riots in Ferguson as well as the standing in the middle of major road stunts that have been going on have been nothing but opportunistic mayhem. Like I said, I am not against their message or cause but destroying your cities infrastructure or causing a father to be late to his sons birthday party because you are laying in the middle of the road is hardly an effective way to promote change. An educated person such as those who were peaceful and did not participate in the "Fuck everyone's day up movement" would have a far more favorable view from the rest of us and therefor have more of an ability to get something productive done.
saskskier
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13250075:VinnieF said:
No. Aboriginal people are still treated like crap in Canada.
Yes. There are huge problems with corruption in some bands, but far from all of them. For every situation like Attiwapiskat, there are chief's and council's that don't take a salary and pump that money back into their community. No one talks about them though because crappy situations always make more noise. Don't use "they" and "them" to talk about an entire group of people.
Multi-generational, systemic poverty is far more difficult to get out of than 'moving away and getting a job'. Throw in multi-generational physical, emotional, and sexual abuse (I've never met an aboriginal person where these haven't been an issue somewhere in the family. Usually all of them), ptsd (being forced out of your home into a residential school), alcohol and substance abuse, disability (FASD, etc) and all kinds of other stuff and you have an almost impossible situation to get out of.
I'm not saying the current set up in Canada is anywhere close to being okay, but it's a WAY more difficult that just trying a little harder. There are many people who take advantage of the system, but for every one of those people, there are a whole bunch working at making their situation better.
k-rob
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13251142:cool_name said:
would you guys please please for the love of glob it's 2014 please take 5 seconds to google instead of making me do it.
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/21/6053811/white-on-white-murder
idk about the last 3 years for sure (they probs stopped counting, knowing the government) but in 2011 at least, white on white killings were more prevalent than white on black, black on black, or black on white killings.
now, in 2013, 43.5% of all killings in america were committed by whites while 52.5% were committed by blacks. 84% of whites killed were killed by other whites, and 93% of black were killed by other blacks. so while i admit that the stats from 2011 might not still hold, it is still ridiculous to suggest that black on black crime is the reason white cop on unarmed black citizen murder is so high, given that white cop on unarmed white citizen killings aren't, despite both races sharing insanely high numbers of murder all around (in america). i wish i could give you more numbers but it actually isn't my job to keep track of these things and apparently that job isn't important anymore.
JGWI
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13251160:cool_name said:
I am neutral on it because I have not been presented the evidence in it's entirety nor have I heard a truly unbiased report on the topic. I don't agree with anyone protesting the Michael Brown at all, a jury who was presented with the evidence decided to not indict Wilson . End of story.
k-rob
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13251172:JustGoWithIt said:
a "jury" (in most cases, made up of people who have no vested interest in the case), The Grand Jury, has almost never indicted a police officer, which in my personal opinion is probably why police officer killings are brought before The Grand Jury, so that the cop can go free. if they were brought before a real court i imagine the cases would go a little differently, at least in that they would actually cross-examine the witnesses.
californiagrown
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13251164:k-rob said:
Black folk make up 13% of the population yet are responsible for 52% of the murders in america. Whites make up 77% of the population are are responsible for 43%. So blacks are about 7 times more likely to kill someone. When a physical trait apparntly makes a person statistically 7 more times likely to murder someone, yes cops are going to be 7 times more on edge.
JGWI
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13251182:k-rob said:
What good would cross-examining the witnesses do? Most of them were discredited to begin with. If there is no evidence to argue a case then what is the point of even going to court? All that would happen is both sides lawyers would argue about irelevent facts and come up with an illogical conclusion.
Plus I would have to listen to the media go on about this personally insignificant event for months in the name of profit (I don't like big news corporations).
Maybe Wilson was in the wrong, I honestly don't know because I have absolutely no evidence or rational reasoning to prove that. Neither do you or anyone else aside from Darren Wilson.
KtGo
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topic:k-rob said:
K-Rob, you are a brave soul putting this up on this website. I applaud you for opening the subject, sticking with it and making EXTREMELY valid points. Some of the shit people say on here actually makes my skin crawl. I wanted to let you know that I appreciate you bringing this up and creating this conversation. I will add a few thoughts...
I know, for a fact, that because of the way I look that I am safer in this country than a lot of people that I care deeply about. I know that I have a better chance of getting out of a ticket, of not being charged with a crime and I know that I would be sentenced with a MUCH lighter hand if I was convicted than many great men I know, solely based on my appearance. Not to mention, the fear of being KILLED by a police officer has never even remotely entered my reality. THIS is where the anger comes from. It is warranted and it is terrifying. As a white person, it is your responsibility to look at and understand your privilege, it is deep and undeniable. This is the first step in understanding and healing the division of race in this country. Lay your ego and guilt down and listen to understand, not to win.
I would also like to share a quote that Chris Rock said..
"So, to say Obama is progress is saying that he’s the first black person that is qualified to be president. That’s not black progress. That’s white progress. There’s been black people qualified to be president for hundreds of years. If you saw Tina Turner and Ike having a lovely breakfast over there, would you say their relationship’s improved? Some people would. But a smart person would go, “Oh, he stopped punching her in the face.” It’s not up to her. Ike and Tina Turner’s relationship has nothing to do with Tina Turner. Nothing. It just doesn’t. The question is, you know, my kids are smart, educated, beautiful, polite children. There have been smart, educated, beautiful, polite black children for hundreds of years. The advantage that my children have is that my children are encountering the nicest white people that America has ever produced. Let’s hope America keeps producing nicer white people."
I honestly think a lot of white people turn the indisputable facts of racism in this country around because it makes them (us) feel guilt and ashamed. One key part is missing when people turn racism in America discussions to 'black on black' crime discussions. They are glossing over one main point, probably the only point that matters, black people are not killing black people BECAUSE they are black. It is also very odd to me that white people presume to know exactly what black people should do to improve their situation in the States...
Either way, thanks again K-Rob. You're the shit.
k-rob
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13251072:Mr.Huck said:
yeah maybe in fucking fantasy land. for 104 days, the police lied and said the distance from Darren's SUV to where Mike was killed was 35 feet. after 104 days, the first video from Canfield Drive showing the exact measurement from where Darren's SUV was parked and where Mike was killed was actually 148 feet. this was proven by multiple analysts and pretty much everyone.
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/21/6053811/white-on-white-murder
six different witnesses stated that Mike was shot at at least 6 times while fleeing before turning, putting his hands up and surrendering. (reminder that Witness 10 is considered by St. Louis police to be the only credible witness, despite changing their story at least once between retellings, and that their first tale was never recorded, and that their story matches with everything Darren Wilson said). Wilson then (according to six different witnesses) fired four quick shots while looking at Brown face to face, killing him.
and that's just the case of the guy who is supposed to have stolen a box of cigars so that you can justify his being shot to death while unarmed (i already posted 4 links WITH VIDEO that show the timestamps on the video the police put out do not match, that the store owner doesn't believe the video the cops released was of mike brown, that the store owner says nothing was stolen and nobody called the police, and video footage of mike brown paying for his cigars, clerk clasping cash in hand, and mike walking out calmly).
let's not forget the video of Eric in which he literally had his hands up and said "I'm minding my business officer, I'm minding my business. Please just leave me alone. I told you the last time, please just leave me alone. Please don't touch me, do not touch me. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe."
it seems to me that one 6ft 4 inch, 210lb five year old shot someone because he thought he was a demon (his words, not mine).
it seems to me that one 250lb unarmed man was taken down and choked to death by 5 muscular and trained police officers.
it seems to me that one 12 year old boy was gunned down within 2 seconds for carrying a toy gun in a state where you can carry real guns and not be arrested.
it seems to me that one 7 year-old girl was shot in the head while she was sleeping.
and today, "A father of four was killed Tuesday night while returning home with food for his children.
The incident left an unidentified white officer unharmed and unarmed Rumain Brisbon, 34, dead with two bullet wounds in his torso at a north Phoenix apartment complex.
According to Phoenix police, the officer was responding to a suspected drug deal when he came in contact with Rumain. The driver, later identified as Rumain, exited his car and seemed to remove something from the rear of the SUV.
Brandon Dickerson, who was in the car with Brisbon shortly before the shooting and witnessed some of the incident, said he never saw the officer try to talk with Brisbon.
Still, the officer drew his gun and pointed it at Brisbon, causing him to flee from fear. The officer chased him on foot and ‘a struggle ensued' when he caught up.
“During the struggle, Brisbon put his left hand in his pocket and the officer grabbed onto the suspect’s hand, while repeatedly telling the suspect to keep his hand in his pocket," he said. "The officer believed he felt the handle of a gun while holding the suspect’s hand in his pocket.”
A woman inside an apartment opened a door at that moment, and the officer and Brisbon tumbled inside, Crump said. Two children, ages 9 and 2, were in their bedroom. The officer then shot Rumain twice in the torso.
The item in Brisbon’s pocket turned out to be prescribed pills.
The media smear campaign has already begun. Brisbon was previously convicted for a burglary that occurred in 1998 and spent 5 years on probation. Although this has nothing to do with the shooting, the media is working hard to slander Rumain’s name."
but those are just the facts, i'm not looking at the WHOLE story. obviously all of these people could have posed some kind of unknown deadly threat to any one of the officers. perhaps eric was a black belt who had to get his fists registered as deadly weapons. maybe tamir actually was 20 years old and playing in the park with a real gun. maybe mike was the kind of movie legend who could take four bullets and still manage to football tackle and murder an armed police officer. i missed that part of the story though.
californiagrown
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13251217:k-rob said:
and blue is to purple as carrots are to cars.
JGWI
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13251224:californiagrown said:
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Your argument is invalid.
k-rob
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13251149:JustGoWithIt said:
it really sucks that you're making me do this.
http://nevertrustatiger.tumblr.com/post/103566241926
MicroMix
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The reason Darren Wilson was deemed innocent was because all the witnesses had testimonies which didn't add up with other witnesses. This combined with the fact that some witnesses did withdraw or change their statements means that there was reasonable doubt and that Darren Wilson had to be let free.Cops don't join the force thinking they can get away with murdering minorities, and considering the prevalence of crime within the black community accidents can and will happen.
As well Eric Garner case is not a problem of race, it's a problem of a police officer using an unauthorised choke hold on someone, which unfortunately led to their accidental death. I believe the police officer is guilty of a crime, not murder, but of something lesser as his intent was not to kill.
As well Eric Garner case is not a problem of race, it's a problem of a police officer using an unauthorised choke hold on someone, which unfortunately led to their accidental death. I believe the police officer is guilty of a crime, not murder, but of something lesser as his intent was not to kill.
k-rob
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13251248:MicroMix said:
unfortunately, accidentally killing someone is still considered killing someone. that's why we have things like "manslaughter" and "degrees" of murder. intent and motive are subjective, the actual act of choking someone to death while they repeatedly tell you they cannot breathe is not, especially when captured on video, witnessed in broad daylight in the middle of the street. recently i was in a situation where i accidentally crashed my vehicle into a parked vehicle. i can assure you that it was not my intent to crash my car or damage anyone else's, but the law saw fit to punish me with a $400 ticket and 6 demerit points, which is more than any white cop has gotten for killing an unarmed black person in at least the past few months.
californiagrown
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13251264:k-rob said:
Asthma and his obesity killed him. The cops chokehold triggered the asthma attack, and being on top of him along with his own morbidly obese body helped to crush his lungs.
Why is it that all the not from the hood black kids I know get profiled constantly, but never get beaten, shot, etc? That's because they don't fight back against cops.
Why do people think that resisting arrest is okay? Why do they think cops need to be gentle when restraining a resisting individual.
And FYI, if you can talk, yell, or moan. You can still breathe.
kenevil
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13251776:californiagrown said:
Go watch the video again bro. Dude was hardly resisting at all. He had done nothing wrong (aka broken up a fight) and the cops needed to book somebody, so he was the one. Did you listen to him asking them to leave him alone? Honestly I would've acted in the exact same way, if I didn't do anything illegal get your fucking hands off me. Also you don't address the fact that putting someone in a chokehold is illegal. Cops have rules they have to follow, and this cop didn't bother to follow protocol. Resisting arrest isn't a good course of action if you're actually guilty, but if I'm being harassed by cops for BREAKING UP A FIGHT hell yeah I'm going to defend myself.
californiagrown
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13251892:kenevil said:
Then you are a moronic simpleton with too much teenage angst. No seriously, that's absolutely delusional logic.
Instead of very calmly, politely, and agreeably handling the situation, you would choose to escalate. Try using your brain instead of your freshly dropped nuts to make decisions and your life won't be so shitty.
987321654hgfd
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13252011:californiagrown said:
Seriously, I've been trying to keep out of this thread for a while but there are some seriously retarded things being said in here.
Barefootin_Fiend
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13251892:kenevil said:
Aaaaand that's where you're wrong. if you're in that situation, you never try and plead your case with the cops. resisting is only going to get you more trouble. plead your case with a judge.
Scaredwhiteboy
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13251247:k-rob said:
There is not a chance in hell this stupid feminist would be holding up the same sign if we were talking about rape. If I held up sign that said "Female silence = Female consent," I can guarantee you she would be fucking outraged. Hypocritical cunt.
Charlie_Kelly
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13249346:Bombogenesis said:
I feel like we agree on almost nothing, but this was so well said I couldn't help but sympathize/quote again.
Racism is a fire, and finger-point/blaming this group or that group of people is literally like pouring gas into that fire.
It's true, this country was founded/built on slavery. Its a terrible part of our history that I feel the majority of Americans at least regret a little. But its been 150 years since the Civil War and 60+ years since the civil rights movement. We as a nation need to move past this whole "race" thing we seem to be stuck on. Racism seems to be perpetuated MOST by the ignorant and uneducated so maybe we need to address it from that angle? Idk but its still such an overwhelming problem in a country that did away with it not only once but twice with limited result. The fact that people think the color of someones skin represents there status as a human being is fucking atrocious. We as a people are better than that.
Charlie_Kelly
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13251201:californiagrown said:
And how many of those 52% of murders were black on back?, because I believe around 70% of black crime is black on black. What was the demographic for the area where those murders took place? Im guessing mostly black neighborhoods. Not trying to take a side, just saying I feel this piece of information is missing some parts to it.
californiagrown
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13252118:Scaredwhiteboy said:
*male silence you fucking moron