Jon's new dubs!!!!!

what, no doubble flip...haha

looks like a sick jump, id love to hit that...mmm switch floated 7s....
 
theres some of Jon doin kangaroo flips and switch 7 and 5 at the end of this vid, but no new tricks.
 
bwahahahaha

i hold the stills in my hand!

oh ps we're not release yet so you'll have to wait till

and geoms shots are gonna be amazing (i have no idea how to spell his name)
 
so much hate... thats the biggest problem with skiing. The problem isn't progression, isn't half pipe, isn't steeze, isn't rails over jibs, or jibs over rails... Just so many freaking haters that when everysomething new happens TONS of ppl hate on it cause its new.

Heres a big F YOU to all the haters out there
 
they both progress the sport, and why the hell would you take the piss out of someone for practising on water ramps? would you fancy cocking up a trick (which has never been done before, and is probably hard as fuck) and landing on your head after 85ft of air, i know i wouldnt, id want to be as sure as possible i landed it before i even tried.

i dont think charles is hucked either!, but its hard to call jon hucked in comparison , cough switch 12 octograb
 
You know my big question has to do with the history of freestyle. Does anyone here know much about it?

Apparently back in the '70s there were jump parks at mountains, and huge pro big air competitions. The Wayne Wongs of the world all threw down, partied, had big sponsors, and everything was fairly akin to what freestyle is today, albeit the tricks were classic freestyle, and there was moguls and ballet.

It was a giant free-for-all and everyone was just having a good time. However, in light of progressing the tricks further and further, one backflip wasn't enough so people did doubles. Doubles weren't enough, so they went to triples. However, once the pros were doing doubles and triples, things came collapsing down. You see in a single flip or a corked spin, screwing up and over/under rotating usually lands you on your side or back or something. You break a leg, get a concussion, maybe fuck yourself up pretty bad, but a bit of time in the hospital, maybe some surgery and you're good to go.

However, the concequences of screwing up double and triple flips lands you on your NECK and you DIE.

All of the rules we love to hate on FIS for were created because skiers started to die everywhere. There were a bunch of deaths, and slowly mountains began plowing down their parks, water ramps were built and the water ramp qualification rules were brought in.

I'm not saying that going to doubles is bad, as yes progressing the sport is good. However, i saw a thread on here just today of a kid asking "How do I do a kangaroo flip?" and frankly if the wrong people try that trick they're going to die eventually.

Snowboarding never had this problem, because double flips never really got cool. Maybe once in a while you'd see it but overall smooth style is cooler than gnarly multiple flips.

Doubles and triples killed freestyle once... will it kill it again?

 
bisop is kinda right on that.

I'd rather shifty the fuck out of a spin after grabbing and poking my skis or something then do a double.

Doubles are great the way jon does them but if too many people start doing them it's just gonna be like aerials but with people who dosnt have the proper training wich might results in serious injuries or death.

I think it's weird when you have to train for months on a waterramp so you can make sure you wont die when doing it on snow.

That's my opinion and i know a lot of you and a lot of people in the industry dont agree with it. I liekds jons cab 5ver nose on this jump more then the kangaroo flip even tho the kang was just as smooth.
 
definitely i mean double flips are cool when executed correctly, but i feel like young kids are going to start using them as a way to get noticed and they are going to huck themselves right into the hospital or even the morgue. jon can flatspin and d-spin in his sleep, i understand how he can do 2 of them in an air and have no problems, but most people just arent at that level.

to me, PK hunder is doing the coolest shit by winning slope contests with super creative grabs and style, along with technicality.
 
What jon is doing though is diff. to doing a double flip cause you can huck an attempt at that but his are two diff. tricks which is sick but i do agree that the style must be kept in it i.e. grabs, shifties etc....... otherwise its just becoming arials...as there is nothing wrong with a massive styled out 5 :)
 
wow doug, way to just completely kill the thread with your smarts.

I think its starting to get out of hand, but its all in the spirit of competition. I guess, its turning into something like the photography problem going on now. Now that peopel can get DSLRs at a reasonable price, little ads start poping up all over the place for photography at weddings and shit like that, and the real photographers are loosing buisness becasue most poeple arent willing to pay the extra for a photographer that has expirience.

I guess im trying to say that pros have pretty much nailed down the style of skiing, and unless they can create a new "style" they have to come up with new tricks to stay on top...maybe ugly, or dangerous, but it is just one of those things that has to be done unless someone can come up with something completely new, so its jump, rails, and ******.
 
What everybody needs to do is take a step back and realize the the jump was customized for Jon to do these airs. If you look at the landing it is extremely steep and long and rivals any Aerials style landing. The Take Off looks very long and gradual. The jump was made to specifications for the type of tricks he wanted to attempt (Even thought the story goes that he threw a handful of different tricks)

With that said, An Aerials site triple kicker is always the same distance from the knoll, the same steepness in the landing, the same height of the kicker. I'm sure many hours of physics and planning went down at the waterramps to build this jump so they could bring it to the snow.

Its still pretty amazing
 
u guys really don't get it do u!!! Dubs are a comp trick because, A comp is about who can to the hardest trick and make it look good!the filming world and the comp world are 2 different things! Jon does comps so he is lerning the hardest trick!
 
I think that is absolutely the best argument in the other direction. You're right, comps are about the hardest trick, not about style.

However, just on that point, shouldn't an Aerials triple back with a 2160 in it win?

Of course then the argument becomes that our style is different, which is also true.

I guess its more just something to think about. The people saying that yeah Jon doing it is sick, and he trains the fuck out of it before doing it on snow. Where the problem arises is if it gets popular and kids start dying... the bottom will fall out of our sport faster than you can imagine, and it will just be regulated all to hell FIS style.

I'm not saying doubles are whack, just playing devils advocate here...

 
Jon doesn't huck, in fact i don't know if jon has ever hucked anything. He works ridiculously hard so that he knows what he is going as soon as he gets in the air. That is how he gets so unbelievably consistent
 
comps are about hardest trick WITH style,and jon has mad mad style weather it be his old old shiftey half cabs or his fakie msity 9s or his kangaroo flips he always grabs as long as possible and makes them stylie as fuck.. jon and candide and tanner are now back on top and will contuinue to be for a long time coming,
 
im talking about double flips in the bc dude Ive seen heaps of jon shit in the bc he kills it

 
as someone else said...

jon trains for competitions because thats what he does and in comps you need the best trick with style though.

and he does this, he has style and the DJ Flip seems so sweet.

also im sure he will practice it a good bit so he can throw them on almost any competition jump too

him and candide are killing it right now as far as im concerned
 
WORD.

Kids, what does skiing mean to you? Win at all costs, or just pure enjoyment of the mountains?

Jon seems to spend his time on skis either training or competing. He did US Open/X, then flew all the way to Australia with a coach to train on a seriously shitty water ramp facility for weeks. Then he goes back to the snow only to build a replica of his comp jump, and hit that same jump over and over. All so he can win his own invitational. Yes he's landed something new and insanely technical - but how many people are doing Kangaroo flips now?!!

Is that where you want our competetive sport to go? Racing styles? Where in order to get the one up on the competition you have to be priveleged enough to spend all your time with a coach - drilling things over and over, spending most of your training time OFF snow, ...don't want to go freeskiing coz you might get hurt for next weeks competition... phsssssssh. That's not why ANY of us are here.

As Doug has said, snowboarders (Travis Rice , David Benedek) have been doing 'doubles' for a couple of years now - and guess what? No one else in the sport seems to give a shit! See many doubles in this years snowboard X Slopestyle?

I call a 2 year fad. At the most. But hey, if it wasn't this then it'd just be a competition to see how many extra 180's can be added to a cab 10....

 
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