Joe Republican

It talks a lot about unions. At one time yes, unions were important for worker's rights in this country. Now, however, unions are money hungry and causing more harm than good. Teachers everywhere are being laid off because school districts can't afford them and the unions refuse to be more lax on their standards (so they can keep making more money) so teachers without tenure are losing their jobs. As a result tons of individuals are losing jobs and class sizes are increasing, decreasing the value of our education system. Think about that before you praise unions.
Just another example of how unions are ruining this country. A shopping center was built within the last 10 years near my home town. When the owner of the shopping center was looking at possible contractors he considered two of them. One contractor had unionized workers, and the other did not. Naturally the contractor without unionized workers could do the job at a cheaper price, so he was chosen to build the shopping center. The contractor with the unionized workers lost business because of unions.
 
Ruining the country? why must you be so alarmist?

Pretty sure we're not going to implode over unions.

Keep the discourse reasonable my man.
 
Word, I kind of typed that out in a hurry. Should've said something more along the lines of them not being beneficial anymore. My bad.
 
Lol. It has nothing to do with Unions... it's more that the big wigs in the government have to put more of their money into trivial shit like wars in Iraq and bailing out banks instead of throwing that money towards paying for more quality teachers...
That, and frankly... (let me put on my tin foil, anti-conspiracy hat on) I believe that many of them don't really want to offer quality public education, because many of them don't know what public education is, thanks to their rich white dads putting them through private, uniform-wearing schools their whole lives... and even if they DO want public education, they benefit more from the money special interest groups give them to make sure that less money goes to school, and more goes to their causes...

As far as paying for non-union workers... how many of those workers were legal workers? that's MY question... (oh shit, immigration debate opening!)
 
no i believe people who are able to work for themselves but are too lazy to shouldnt be taken care of...truly needy people should be taken care of, there's a difference
 
Teachers get ridiculous amounts of benefits that no one in this day and age receive anymore. Amazing health care, and ridiculous pensions (my uncle is a retired teacher and will recieve 60K a year until the day he dies). If they lessened some of the benefits teachers earned they could afford to keep more teachers.
My cousin (daughter of aforementioned uncle) was a teacher in the Easton School District (Easton, PA), which is going essentially bankrupt. They urged the unions to lessen the strangle hold they have and lower benefits so that they could retain their teachers. The unions refused. What other job allows you to have such a serious pension after you retire? It's absurd, and teachers don't need that. My cousin was laid off along with hundreds of other teachers in the district.
All I'm saying.
 
Teachers deserve more than even this in my opinion because they are who lay the foundation for what this nation will become. Without skilled, happy teachers our children cannot thrive and will become people like Glen Beck...
 
I whole-heartedly agree with you, but right now more and more intelligent people are opting to not go into the teaching profession because of the lack of available jobs.
 
I'm sure the school district didn't complain to the unions first... they only went to them as a last ditch way to retain teachers...
Back to my point that we should stop spending trillions on blowing up the middle east over oil and absurd foreign policy, and start spending more on our schools.
Theres a reason why the US is lacking behind China, Finland, Japan, France, and other nations in education and it's certainly not because of the unions (since the aformentioned countries are the ones we're supposed to hate, since they are commie, girly, union-loving, business hating socialist - or in china's case straight communist - nations)
 
and people who build houses deserve more because without houses we would all live in mud huts.

people who drive buses deserve more because without them there would be more cars on the roads.

plumbers deserve more because without them we would all be shitting buckets or down a hole.

or the realization can be made that the set of skills needed to be a teacher are not exactly what you would call, in short supply.

using your logic, water should be far more expensive than diamonds or gold. why? its essential to life.
 
Same with Engineering, Computer programming, Healthcare, and so many other non-law or business professions.
That's another problem with education... so many people are lost because they find out that what they want to do in life, isnt going to make them any money, and are told to go into business, accounting, and law...
 
Well we definitely agree on this. I'd like to note that I'm far from being a Republican, I just wanted to point a few things out.
 
If only your K could get higher...

and thank you. This is why i believe Canada, Australia, and France are the best countries in the world.

inb4 rednecks calling me red and saying i should get out of the country and USAUSAUSA
 
The US has always been behind. There is never a time that the US has been at the top/creme of the crop, except for higher ed. In fact, these ridiculous tests would actually suggest US improvement in rankings and overall scores compared to other countries. That is not to say that the schools in the country are universally great, but the spin is all kinds of fucked up.

Oh, and the OPs retarded, misguided and general narrative and retarded, misguided, and general
 
it should also be noted that standardize test scores do NOT measure creativity.

its kind of like everyone screaming OMG CHINA, OMG INDIA, OMG OMG OMG, what people dont realize is that these developing super powers are pulling from a tried and true playbook. (Free Market America's) theyre playing catchup. its one thing to catch America, its another thing to pass the USA.

not saying it wont/cant happen. simply that the alarmist attitude is doing nothing to help.
 
Compared to other nations? No.
Like anything, there's no 1 reason for why we have slipped behind many other industrialized nations in education...
Our spending the money elsewhere isn't by any means helping though....
 
I have a pretty strong feeling they wont...
20 years ago we ranked a lot higher on the charts than today, too...
 
Are you saying that going into engineering, computer programming, healthcare are not good paying jobs? Last time i checked doctors, engineers, physician assistants, computer programmers all make a pretty good living. I am really hoping I just misunderstood your post.
 
On the ever so tenuous argument that the government takes too much of our money in taxes.

In what sense is the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully ours? Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts, free of imposed and tax funded economic structure? Could we have

inherited it without the assistance of probate courts? Do we save it

without the support of bank regulators? Could we spend it if there were

no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of

the community in which we live? Without taxes, there would be no

liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few

of us would have any assets worth defending. It is a tardigrade fiction that

some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden

whatsoever on the public, more of which they are accustom to admitting . There is no liberty without dependency and one is not a self dependent agent.

If government could not intervene effectively, none of the

individual rights to which Americans have become accustomed could be

reliably protected. This is why the overused distinction between

"negative" and "positive" rights makes little sense. Rights to private

property, freedom of speech, immunity from police abuse, contractual

liberty and free exercise of religion—just as much as rights to Social

Security, Medicare and food stamps—are taxpayer-funded and

government-managed social services designed to improve collective and

individual well-being.

 
except my right to my property requires nothing of you. except to abstain from action.

my right to free speech requires nothing of you except to abstain from stopping me. (pulling the bull horn out of my hands)

contract enforcement is a very legitimate form of government that requires us all to pay in, and we all benefit. although, dont believe there isnt a market incentive for people to keep their word.

religion, again, requires no action on your part.

social security, well be prepared to produce, only to have the product of that production consumed by someone else.

medicare, same song different dance.

food stamps, you know the drill.

these require action, as apposed to inaction, on your part.
 
Where's the per-capita spending chart?
That's what matters, considering al those countries listed have much smaller populations...
 
AKA a recession! 5 years from now they'll be just as in demand as they were five years ago. If they aren't then we will have bigger things to worry about. Supply and demand is a cycle.
 
define a good teacher VS a bad one?

(insert the markets dick)

there is no market for education, and i would be willing to bet that should a market present itself, the bad teachers (whatever that means) would get whatever they have coming.

and BTW the season is almost over, when are we gonna go Tele Skiing? haha
 
My dad does the whole buy a foreclosed house, hire a contracting to fix it up, and either resell it or rent it out thing in Baltimore. And I couldn't agree more with your statement. So many of his tenants end up trying to take him for a sap and make excuses for why they can't get their rent in. Luckily he hires someone to do all of the dirty work for him, but it's definitely a pain in the ass.
 
False. Where are engineering jobs going? China. Computer programming? India.
Teachers jobs havent been outsourced though... but with all of these internet schools popping up... ha... what's next, you think? Get ready to understand indian accents, america.
 
If you live in Connecticut... you get paid more for doing just about ANYTHING than other places, dude...
Either way. Teachers still aren't paid jack shit depending on their tenure..
 
drew, your self righteous, arrogant, elitist mindset must make it really difficult to pick up on a joke. I wasn't aware that by fishing around with a conservatives counter that i would catch the biggest cock bag of them all.
can you go back to wherever it was that you were without internet? i really didn't miss all your bullshit.
please, please, please use some really big words to explain to me why you're better than me. it's entertaining.
 
Understandable, but it's relative to the cost of living. They aren't heading to Canada to have a better living situation was my only point. While teachers across the board do have pretty low salaries they also receive great benefits. And salaries vary regionally, both by state and within state. A teacher in a nice suburb is going to make a hell of a lot more money than a teacher at an inner city school.
 
Oh man, now we are judging American teachers with absolutely no idea how the education system in this country works? I definitely want to watch this.
 
Because teacher salaries are directly correlated to the amount of money the taxpayers are putting into the school district. Families in a nice suburb naturally have higher salaries, so they pay more in taxes, hence the schools getting more money. Families in inner cities don't have the money to pay high taxes for the teachers to get better salaries. It's definitely a fucked up system.
 
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