It's too bad you guys weren't around when they printed the bible.

i asked a barnes and noble guy why the bibles weren't in the fiction section and he looked at me, paused, and said he wished more people like me came in the store...i think he hated his job
 
Yo moses didn't even run when shit got deep! and plus there would be some crazy pics, they definatley should have come out with a picture book bible
 
it really is a shame that the bible is so long, i mean a popup picture book with cardboard pages showing adam and eve secksing would be so much sicker
 
cmon guys everyone knows its actually jeeezuz in this song bitchin you nukkas out.







Its alright to say you beleive in god but when you start saying shit like "just wandering through life?" fuck. fuck. fuck you ignant bastard. OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES YOU EDEOT
 
i saw this commercial for a dvd thats the whole bible as a movie in 3d animation!!! i totaly would have bought it... if i believed that bs
 
One of my favorite quotes is by Albert Einstein.

"The hardest thing to understand is why we can understand anything at all."

Ben-

Any scientist who has studies astrophysics, quantum theory, or astronomy has seen the beauty in nature. There is a certain order to things. An order that is hard to attribute to random events. The more I get into this topic the more I have a hard time accepting that there is no force out there holding the universe together. For example it seams that finding the higgs boson particle is almost impossible because it doesn't want to be found. Or how there is a difference in electron paths depending on if they are observed. Things that have no scientific meaning but indicate a plan. Life doesn't make sense to me, the planets get along just fine with out life but it seams to have found its way into every nook and cranny of this earth. Every single book I have ever read about this topic ends in the scientist admitting that there is some force that is making everything happen. Einstein spent his whole life looking for a theory of everything and came up empty handed. Many others have dedicated their lives to the same topic and although progress has been made, string theory, there is still no conclusion.

So do I believe in "god"? Not in the Christian sense, or in any other religions view of god. But I do believe in a force, far more powerful than we can comprehend that makes the universe work. I don't think the force even gives our existence one bit of thought or concern, it rather set the rules of the universe and is letting shit happen. My religious view are more aligned with the Jedi than any religion I have ever heard of. I don't really think this force is aware, at least in the sense that we are aware.

My view on god (I hate that fucking word) my view on the "universal force" changes daily, but there is one constant. I know, with out a doubt, that I don't know shit. So all I can do is sit back, relax, enjoy life to the fullest, and hope for an afterlife. Because I have put a lot of thought, time, and effort into this life and if it ends with a lights out type of situation (which I think is most probable) I am going to be one pissed off dude.

 
Uh... read some Dawkins perhaps.
I think you are equating proof of existence of a creator with concepts our brains cannot understand, or dont want to. We view our universe in the scale of human thinking, because its what we inherently know. Its how we've evolved. We get googly eyed when trying to imagine 1 trillion stars because we never have had to deal with numbers like that as a species. Our brain just isnt set up for something like that, so it seems weird, strange, hard to comprehend. In the face of this, we revert to something we find comforting, understandable, such as the universe having a creator and director instead of just being random events involving huge quantities and scale.

 
this karma system blows you should be able to give or take points any time you want like on other forums, i have you at 10/10 but you clearly need more than what i've given you.
 
heeeeeeeeey yoooooooooooou guuuuuuuuuuysjust to see if we can wrap up this whole thing a bit quicker, let me tell you how it will endjust like always:everyone will share their own opinionno one will be convinced of anything, no one will change their mind.ben, arabian, drew, dingosean, or one of the other few well spoken NS'ers will make some educated pointsbandieboy will try, as he always does, to either troll harder, or step on everyone's toes (im not sure)we'll get a few funny postsit will die only after it hits 5 or 6 pages
happy flaming!
 
exactly. i am not 100% certain there is no god, but i am almost positive that if there is some sort of creator, he isnt some sort of bearded dude watching over everything. i dont KNOW whats going on, but im perfectly content with that.
 
Darwin gives examples of how life evolved into the complex organisms we have today, he gives no answers for the moment that primordial sea spawned the first single cell organism.

And I by no means believe in a creator, far from it. I believe there has to be something out there that has set the rules of our existence, aware or not there has to be something on a higher level than we can comprehend. It is hard to express how I feel about this.

And you are right our brains can't handle numbers. Even simple math taxes our brains. I can't comprehend the size of the sun much less the size of the solar system. This is not the base of my belief, the base of my belief comes from our insignificance and quantum theory.

But random events, with a set of rules, happening on an unimaginable scale makes sense. Its just the set of rules that hurts my brain.

And by the way, not that it matters, but Darwin was religious.
 
It's not about the destination, it's about the journey. I have already change my views in this tread. I made the same thread, pretty much, 3 years ago, with a much different result. So other people are changing to.

And fuck you for not including me in the list of well spoken NS'ers, that hurts man.
 
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im not religious in any way, but theres gotta be some shit goin on.

someone, something, i dont know or care really, but dont tell me you just think theres no greater whatever it is
 
Don't really want to debate anything or take a stance in this thread, but I remember reading an essay by someone that seemed pretty accurate. Atheists take as much of a leap of faith as those who believe in god. Not trying to stir anything, just making an interesting point.
 
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Anyone who puts serious time into responding to threads like this on NEWSCHOOLERS.COM is a tool box.

You aren't changing the world, just wasting your time. No one is going to change on here.
 
no one on here has any idea what they are talking about haha. i love all your thoughts and opinions only apply to yourself. you say it's ok to believe what you want as long as you aren't forcing your beliefs down anybody's throats or you aren't denouncing any beliefs. almost everyone here is denouncing christianity. i love calling out hypocrites
 
I think half of these responses are just people venting their feelings of hatred towards their opposition.
I'm guilty of this. I know nobody is going to read any of my posts and say, "That's and awesome point Ski_N*, I renounce my faith!" It just makes me feel a little bit better by saying what I want to say, and not really having any serious action as a consequence.
 
Bravo.

Literary noobs, beware of what I have to say.

The current notion of a god is outdated. There must undoubtedly be a higher power, or force, which contributed to creation of the universe.



The fundamental paradox-argument is this:

If "god" had the power to create this universe at the beginning, he certainly wouldn't have any need to tweak and influence it as time progressed. He would have made it perfect right of the bat. Duh.

Nobody is looking over us - how conceited of us to think so.

I don't call myself an atheist - I call myself non-religious. Religion is a concept, a set of moral principals, democratically refined and adopted by different groups that are geographically spread out across the earth.

I have searched across Christianity, Buddhism, and countless philosophies and have wound right back up at the start. Not at a dead end, but at a 360 degree end. I do not wander any longer. I now look deep within myself, realizing I am a god in my own right, my own god, and I choose my own destiny in this life. I follow a natural path and my morals are acceptable to the general human.

People believe in god(s) because they lack the power to believe in themselves.





 
You are the typical self-righteous Christian who all us "atheists" absolutely despise. "What guides you?" you ask...Well, definitely not a 1000+ year old novel written by various people hundreds of years after Jesus' death.

You also point out that "this requires proof that he does not exist". This is not only incorrect, but completely arrogant. The burden of proof is on those who do believe, not the other way around. Presumably, you do not believe in the Loch Ness monster or Poseidon, yet you don't have to "prove" them to be non existant - the same principle applies here.
 
Richard Dawkins, not Charles Darwin, you misread.
You pretty much illustrate my point here. It feels weird, and why should the actual way the universe work not? Why can the truth not be that we are specks on a tiny dot in the near infinite seas of matter? Its human nature to suppose rules, order, symmetry and design. Its this thinking that has been evolutionarily selected for because such predictions better allow a caveman to judge and survive in his environment (Streams must lead to larger bodies of water, forests do not continue into infinity, my spear is always there, even if I'm not directly observing it). It seems naive to believe that the comfy ways of understanding things work when our species tries to grasp concepts of the entire universe. Maybe we will eventually adapt to understand and imagine 10 dimensions quite easily (in fact I would predict that through evolution our species would), but for now, I think we need to be comfortable in our uncomfortableness.

 
beauty is in the eye of the beholder. our brain perceives beauty for a reason, order, piece, colorfulness tend to all be good things, fruit is bright and colorful, water is clear and translucent, fire is glowing and intricate. those things are all necessary or at one point were necessary to survive. its the same reason that theres ugly and beautiful people
 
haha ya I misread that one. Good thing Arabian was there to call me out.

I totally agree with you. My human brain has an impossible time understanding the why of reality and it scares me. That is all I was trying to get across.
 
i love how this whole religious argument was spawned by, quite frankly, a really weak joke that should not have had its own thread
 
That is exactly why. Also, so that someone would post a "The Bible: Pics or it didn't happen" image.

Mission accomplished.
 
i fail to see your point in that picture. i mean doesnt that only prove there has to be a higher being of some sort?! or else how the fuck did all of that come to be? or how did the particles that started the big bang come to be. the way i see it, theres got to be a god of some kind to start that.

on a related note. how did we as humans come to be where we are right now if there wasnt a god
 
What do you mean by where we are if I can ask first of all?

AND

People, according to you Christians, have free will. We decide for ourselves what e want to do.
 
i mean like with technology and ns and civilization. even going further back like how all life was created. i do believe in evolution but i also believe that a god had to start it and it didnt all just happen by chance
 
It is called, oh, what's that word... progress. Shit changes. As different civilizations met, they trade, they learn from each other, and collaborate.
 
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