Is Tahoe on track to have another horrible season?

Well, once that high pressure system moves out, we will finally get some snow. Bridger and big sky is getting pretty nasty as well.
 
terrible, at least the norcal surf has been firing. Pressure system keeping the snow out is keeping the wind down and it has been pumping like triple overhead at ocean beach.
 
The golf has been fucking sick though I'd suggest people take it up the courses in Reno and Carson City been fire this winter.

I hope the big resorts go out of fucking business though fuck Squaw, Nstar, Heavenly, Kwood etc etc they deserve to lose money by not putting up any deals on liftopia with this shit ass snow. Fuck them.

I think Im leaving next week and not coming back to NV until first weekend of March Madness though I wanna fucking ski and no terrain will be open this year chances of the Chutes at Rose opening for even 1 day or are about 0. Think I will ski a day at Sugar Bowl on the way to/from the San Jose airport assuming its open late march

 
You do realize that the reason the big places put $15 million in to snow making, is so they can charge full pop and have the most skiers visit in shit snow years. Like any business, when it comes down to it, they don't give a fuck about you, they care what the numbers say.
 
Yeah

I understand all the costs and shit. Im just happy I dodged a bullet and saved money on a season pass this year. I see it as greed they are offering a seriously inferior product yet refuse to give people a 20 dollar break on liftopia to get heads on the slopes. Price determines supply and demand they are fucking themselves.

New England mountains offer deals on Liftopia Tahoe doesn't it just doesn't make sense. How can Killington give out pricebreaks but Northstar and Squaw won't with this awful snow?

Im just commenting as it applies to me someone who would ski and join my pals with a season pass if I could get a decent deal but for 110 a day they can rim me. And based on Tahoe prices my trip to Jackson Hole next week is looking really fucking cheap.

And I am getting golf at championship courses w/cart for 20 bucks a day. 110 to go skiing is outrageous they are having a laugh how the fuck am I gonna go skiing instead of play golf at those prices when nothings open?

Whatever though I haven't spent a penny on skiing this year apart from 6 dollar thrift shop poles it will make my trip to JH manageable I couldn't afford it if I was 2k into gear and passes.

 
I understand it from a personal perspective, all I'm saying is that they have run the numbers, and the numbers say that they would make more money off of tourists willing to pay full pop.
 
I'm going to Jackson Hole next week too! weather patterns say they could have a storm rolling through, f yeah! peace out tahoe
 
You're right. You know way more about their business model and profitability models than they do. If only they had you as their CFO......
 
Yeah who knows. I don't think so but thats OK. I think plenty of people like me will look at those outrageous prices and decide to travel to where there is snow and spend a bit more or not ski. They are offering a 30% product with this shit snow. Its like McDonalds selling you a half eaten big mac and charging full price. All I expect is 20-30 bucks off on liftopia not 40 dollar lift tickets to Nstar on a Saturday.

They have a business model. Its based on screwing people any way they can. They make you commit to buying a pass before you know what type of season its going to be. Most people aren't going to successfully dodge the bullet like me good thing I lost my debit card inbetween renewing and the time they make you pay in September.
 
I feel you on this. I'm always checking Liftopia and there isn't much for Tahoe. Regular, non tourist skiers aren't going to pay for that product.
 
About the passes, it's a risk, that is why you are getting it for such a discount, you are gambling on what type if season we are going to have therefore you get to ride all year on the price of four regular lift tickets. It's not based on screwing you, they value their product at a certain value, and calculate the average number of days a season pass holder rides, and set pricing to suit their goals. Then they calculate discount based upon when you buy your pass, obviously the further out you buy your pass, the more risk is involved, therefore the bigger the discount.
 
I totally agree about the lift tickets, I have never understood why there weren't lift tickets for a deal in shitty years in Tahoe.
 
I don't think its that.

I think its just the simple fact that people are not going to spend on snow sports in June and therefore need incentive to do so. I know something about this.

One summer I couldn't afford my NHL season tickets. I put up craigslist adds for insane good deals looking for partners to make payments I couldn't afford. I got tire kickers but none pulled the trigger. There was a lockout and that would have been a shit show if someone helped me make my payments but I couldn't afford them I had no money. I found a broker willing to give me 5 bucks over cost. But he would only pay the team and I wouldn't see a penny until I brought him the tix in September. I told him to fuck off and wasn't really able to pay the bill the shortened season was the only reason I didn't lose my seats (Im poor its a struggle.)

That showed me how worthless hockey tickets are in the summer. And the only way anyone would buy them is if they were buying from the team and therefore had access to playoff tickets and the like or cherry picking games that will surely sell out. Timing is everything. ANd the people who do buy winter sports tickets in the summer are educated consumers expecting the best deal possible.

Vail could sell a shit ton of season passes if people could buy them December 7th up until Christmas. But at that point people will spend money on single day lift tickets so those prospective customers are worthless and told to GTFO. They will only take season pass money when they are not getting 100 bucks a day off suckers. When sucker money is coming in season pass money isn't important. When no sucker money is coming in they'll take the season pass money because they aren't getting a penny of 100 bucks a day sucker money or a penny of food and drink money in the lodges.

They want the sucker money but will take non sucker money in the summer when nothing is flowing in.

Hopefully a vail or squaw CEO reads this and fires the dumbasses who think its a good idea to refuse to dump discounted tickets on liftopia during a shitty winter. And send me a PM if you want a CEO who will raise your bottom line I could raise revenues by 100% if I was put in charge of ticket sales for major mountains and you could fire most of your overpaid asshole upper management. If Squaw was fully open I'd pay 100 bucks a day to ski there instead of driving to Wyoming. But its not. (They are so greedy you can't even get a significant discount on 50-100 group tickets Ive looked into investing in some if I could get the deal that ski shops get and sell them on craigslist you probably have to buy 1,000 to get a real discount and even then they'd put restrictions on the days you could use them.)
 
LOL

If this thread were about people sharing each others epic passes and doing passbacks and shit on the mountain I guarantee you 100% it would get read.

 
Not to be a dick, but that really is it. All pricing in the investment world is based upon risk. A season pass is an investment in a good ski season, therefore pricing is risk based.
 
Not everyone, CO is doing very well, so is Montana, midwest is having a killer season, utah is doing decently well.

its just this pressure system thats kicking the precipitation to weird areas.
 
I wouldn't say Utah is doing decently well, it's cold and snow is on the ground but we haven't had good fresh snow for 3 weeks or longer and Dec was pretty dry
 
I'd rather ski one good month at kirkwood than 5 good ones in summit county.

Then again I like skiing on mountains, not man made features.
 
No but I'll agree to disagree. As I explained I think its because its ski resorts only way to get cashflow when the hill is closed. My post was extremely long winded to try and show that people just do not spend on something that is out of season.

For the most part winters usually have similar total snowfall outside of outlier years like this year. Its more about a person having the time to ski 20 days a year than thinking snow will be epic that makes someone buy.

Next year I want to get the full Squaw pass so I can travel to one of the 50% off mountains on it if shit sucks again. But if I rent a house or apartment and am rooted here or something develops so I can't leave Reno for a week at a time I'll get Rose. Time is more of a deciding factor than my snow predictions.

 
Right, it's a risk that you won't have a good ski year because you don't have time to ski, you don't know what snow conditions or life conditions are going to be like, so you get a discount. The reason they push it soo hard is because they want guaranteed revenue. A dollar in your hand is better than the possibility of two in the future. They definitely do substain themselves on pass sales, but the earlier you buy, the more discounted it is because the more risk is involved.
 
I'm coming out to Tahoe in late February... What do you guys think will it still be shit? If so any recommendations as to where to go if it is still awful?
 
As much as I hate agreeing with pepermill, this is pretty right. No one wants to go visit Tahoe if its still expensive and the snow blows. My family were going to re-unite for a ski trip at heavenly, and we cancelled our trip. Mainly because hotels and tickets are still just as expensive for such a shit product, and we feel that money would be better spent elsewhere.

I still think this might be the future of Tahoe, maybe still get some great seasons, but I wonder if this might become the norm.
 
don't say how much!! now its not going to snow more than an inch. and even if we get 5 feet then we still cant ski pow cause of avy danger and the fact that there is 0 snow now.
 
i think snow level might be at like 7000 feet but that still means upper mountain at squaw will be nailed and that's what matters anyway (besides KT)
 
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