Is Eileen Gu Competing for China Problematic?

[SkiBum.]

Traitor commi should just stay there

 

[@LANTASKI]

In which case I don't think its problematic. Its not like she's doing it for the authoritarian regime; Her mom probably left China because of that regime (I don't wanna assume). But people still have a deep connection to their culture- so I think doing it for her Heritage is kinda sweet and also seems like the only reason she would be doing it anyways.

She should have skied for Taiwan then since they represent the previous few thousand years of Chinese culture and govt. CCCP is just Marxism+Confucianism.

China as we think of it in an historical and idealized context is what Taiwan currently represents

 

[abcdefu]

She should have skied for Taiwan then since they represent the previous few thousand years of Chinese culture and govt. CCCP is just Marxism+Confucianism.

China as we think of it in an historical and idealized context is what Taiwan currently represents

I don't know a ton about Chinese culture and history- the American school system doesn't do a great job in giving us a worldly perspective lol. That said, I do know culture isn't a stagnant concept. And when a group of people endure hardship (say, a massive communist regime) their culture and what it means to them can change. I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable telling a Chinese person that their Chinese heritage and culture isn't valid because of their government and they should call themselves Taiwanese.

Even if its the truth though, it isn't generally how "we" or, people, think of it anyways you know?

I just highly doubt Eileen joined China's team to do it for the communist regime that her mother (likely) came to America to escape. I think it makes sense she would do it for her culture and heritage- and in that sense, its sweet.

And last thought- it's not like the American government is so saintly either- so if she feels more connection to her heritage's culture rather than America's and is doing it for that reason- I can wrap my head around it.

I'm not saying there isn't a political issue with choosing to represent China, but on a personal level- I get it. And I don't think she is going into the Olympics with politics in mind. Because again, on a solely political level- as an American I wouldn't be too stoked to represent America due to our dubious history.

**This post was edited on Feb 8th 2022 at 7:16:45am

 

[alpineplease]

She could have been Liz Swaney 2.0… competing for China may have been her only in to the Olympics with a strong US team.

As a fellow SF born, Tahoe skier, I was bummed to see her not bringing home hardware to the US.

Her reach is way up tho. Big market. Hope a government official doesn’t get too touchy feely with her because clearly there is no recourse. Peng is so happy! Peng is right there watching. Great misunderstanding.

I just highly doubt Eileen joined China's team to do it for the communist regime that her mother (likely) came to America to escape. I think it makes sense she would do it for her culture and heritage- and in that sense, its sweet.

**This post was edited on Feb 8th 2022 at 7:16:45am

 

[PsychicMigration]

So what does that say about athletes representing the US? Do they support the genocide the country was founded on, or the largest prison population (both per capita and absolute) in the world? Do they support the concentration camps that are just as prevalent and just as abhorrent under Biden as they were under Trump?

There are things to criticize about China, particularly some of its conservative social policies and the fact that there are still billionaires in a purportedly socialist country, but even if you take the media fervor about the Uyghurs at face value it's nothing the US hasn't done many times over in terms of scale, and nothing the US isn't currently doing in character. With the multiple blatant instances of outright lying in order to agitate for a war, though, it's difficult at best to take it at face value - a list that's by no means comprehensive includes the Spanish-American War/sinking of the Maine in Havana harbor (which led to a stomach-churning genocide in the Philippines by the US), the Gulf of Tonkin "incident" precipitating the Vietnam War (also arguably a genocide), the Nayirah testimony to justify the Gulf War, and the idea that that Saddam Hussein had WMDs. I encourage y'all to look this shit up. It's a clear pattern.

In a sense yes but at least it’s not current and not communist it’s still pick bet better of evils but let’s face it every nations done some fucked up stuff I just think we’re a better then that tho.

 

[TOAST.]

She could have been Liz Swaney 2.0… competing for China may have been her only in to the Olympics with a strong US team..

I'd say that is more than likely the reason, especially if she made thr decision 3 years ago or she realized that she could make a stupid amount of money.

**This post was edited on Feb 8th 2022 at 9:09:09am

 

[GullyRiving]

She's kinda hot ngl

kinda?

 

[abcdefu]

She could have been Liz Swaney 2.0… competing for China may have been her only in to the Olympics with a strong US team.

As a fellow SF born, Tahoe skier, I was bummed to see her not bringing home hardware to the US.

Her reach is way up tho. Big market. Hope a government official doesn’t get too touchy feely with her because clearly there is no recourse. Peng is so happy! Peng is right there watching. Great misunderstanding.

Likely as well. And i wouldnt blame her if she was bought out for it either, money is temptingx

 

[forrest-cole]

Holy shit so many opinions by complete internet trolls.. until any of you are skilled enough to go the Olympics and choose who you want to represent. Your opinion is straight trash!

keep trolling NS… on a side note the level of competition last night was epic!

 

[AndrewGravesSV]

In a sense yes but at least it’s not current and not communist it’s still pick bet better of evils but let’s face it every nations done some fucked up stuff I just think we’re a better then that tho.

Lemme get this right; communism evil, every country has done fucked up stuff, and usa better than that. Bro you bought into the nationalism cause the usa is fucked lol

 

[.frenchy]

Lemme get this right; communism evil, every country has done fucked up stuff, and usa better than that. Bro you bought into the nationalism cause the usa is fucked lol

the united states is far better than china though fr fr

 

[PacificRimJob]

the PRC sucks, the CCP sucks, but Eileen Gu is cool.

The biggest problem I see here is the one-china policy... because there is not just one China. Not even close.

 

[PacificRimJob]

And let's be fair, if everyone chose what country to support based on politics, we would all be fucked...

Like, even Canada and Switzerland and Taiwan/RoC itself are fucking horrible when you really dig up the dirt...

Right now there is just a lot of sinophobia going around in America because we are trying to develop a common, misunderstood enemy that we can all unite behind.

Before PRChina it was terrorists...

before terrorists, it was the Soviets...

Before the Soviets, it was the Nazis,

before the Nazis it was Immigrants and minorities...

Before that, it was the south,

and before that, it was the Native Americans.

The United States is only united when it's angry at one particular group... We aren't at war now, so we are searching for a place to throw our ire, disgust, frustration, and outrage.

America made outrage recreational... it's fucking stupid.

 

[PsychicMigration]

Lemme get this right; communism evil, every country has done fucked up stuff, and usa better than that. Bro you bought into the nationalism cause the usa is fucked lol

Yes the USA is fucked but we're not fucked to china's level

 

[eheath]

And let's be fair, if everyone chose what country to support based on politics, we would all be fucked...

Like, even Canada and Switzerland and Taiwan/RoC itself are fucking horrible when you really dig up the dirt...

Right now there is just a lot of sinophobia going around in America because we are trying to develop a common, misunderstood enemy that we can all unite behind.

Before PRChina it was terrorists...

before terrorists, it was the Soviets...

Before the Soviets, it was the Nazis,

before the Nazis it was Immigrants and minorities...

Before that, it was the south,

and before that, it was the Native Americans.

The United States is only united when it's angry at one particular group... We aren't at war now, so we are searching for a place to throw our ire, disgust, frustration, and outrage.

America made outrage recreational... it's fucking stupid.

/thread

 

[PackBombs]

So you can’t criticize a government with literal concentration camps for religious minorities among many other human rights violations?

that makes you *insert random word here*phobic?

 

[eheath]

So you can’t criticize a government with literal concentration camps for religious minorities among many other human rights violations?

that makes you *insert random word here*phobic?

This would have been a good bait comment if this wasn't brought up on the first page of the thread, you're a bit late here dude.

 

[PickleSause]

I think its good for china, she is chinese after all. Haters gonna hate.

 

[PackBombs]

This would have been a good bait comment if this wasn't brought up on the first page of the thread, you're a bit late here dude.

Oh my bad you /thread it already guess we can’t comment on a point made

 

[eheath]

Oh my bad you /thread it already guess we can’t comment on a point made

you're clearly a member who doesn't use the site very much anymore, but you saw an opportunity to try and make a comment, but you were 2 months late, the /thread doesn't mean anything thats just me saying his comments should be the end of the thread, but it doesnt end it

 

[PackBombs]

I’ll make sure to run it by you next time I want to make a counter argument

you're clearly a member who doesn't use the site very much anymore, but you saw an opportunity to try and make a comment, but you were 2 months late, the /thread doesn't mean anything thats just me saying his comments should be the end of the thread, but it doesnt end it

 

[Immunoblot]

The US wasn't founded on genocide. Watching YouTube docs does not make you an expert in US History. You also cannot equate the actions of men hundreds of years ago to the actions of a regime in our evolved and conscious present epoch that are actually committing genocide. In addition to that China represents the greatest threat to man's natural rights of freedom of speech, expression, privacy etc.

Despite its flaws, US Foreign Policy has defended subjugated people who are generally the targets of real genocide: Bosnians/Ethnic Albanians in the Balkans, Jews in the Holocaust, Yazidis/Christians in Northern Iraq and Syria, ETC ETC

Defended ethnic Albanians by bombing and irradiating the living shit out of Serbian civilians? Totally justified!

 

[WoFlowz]

Ain’t no way she isn’t gonna be bugged and under CIA surveillance when she in the US if she possibly denounced her citizenship and or because of her business dealings in China

 

[*TURBONERD*]

The US is not trying to foment a war with Ukraine. You got your nations mixed up , pal. Take a lap and try again.

**This post was edited on Feb 8th 2022 at 6:03:52am

I took a lap and it turns out that a cool, simple analogy would be Russia sending arms shipments to Mexico because the US was doing military drills in Texas. Or, if you want to use a historical example, the USSR sending nuclear weapons to Cuba would serve.

 

[cobra_commander]

Ain’t no way she isn’t gonna be bugged and under CIA surveillance when she in the US if she possibly denounced her citizenship and or because of her business dealings in China

That would be FBI surveillance but… There is a 100% chance she or her mom have been asked to report on what they see/hear in the US. There is also an above 50% chance the majority of computers and phones brought by foreign athletes to these games get a clandestine search and bugged. There is a reason we told them all to take burners and not access key accounts/info while there.

I took a lap and it turns out that a cool, simple analogy would be Russia sending arms shipments to Mexico because the US was doing military drills in Texas. Or, if you want to use a historical example, the USSR sending nuclear weapons to Cuba would serve.

If joe Biden had recently stated Mexico was naturally part of the US, and didn’t have a right to it’s own government, and had recently annexed Baja by force, you might have a point. But he didn’t, and you don’t.

 

[luthus001]

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"Yes the USA is fucked but we're not fucked to china's level"

"So you can’t criticize a government with literal concentration camps for religious minorities among many other human rights violations?"

"Crazy how this thread was resurrected by a bunch of brand new users, right when the Olympics started, and some of them are speaking about China favorably. Not suspicious at all."

I see. The media and politicians intentionally confusing the CCP and its doings (under the command of 1 maniac) with "China" the country, "China" in general, and by extension everything and everyone "China", is achieving great results.

Thats exactly what I mean when i say there is stuff that can be a bit off-putting to someone who looks Chinese, speaks Chinese, with a connection to the culture and with friends and family there. Maybe enough to nudge them that way when deciding which NATION - not government- to represent in the Games

And obviously, making Mccarthyist assumptions is easier than looking up or debating the facts. The media and politicians taught you that too.

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if she's patting herself on the back right now for having made the right decision. What with the death threats and her granny almost coming under racist attack. With the hostility that has developed against all Asians having absolutely nothing to do the CCP. Wouldn't be surprised if she were to drop out of Stanford to live fulltime in China either.

 

[*TURBONERD*]

That would be FBI surveillance but… There is a 100% chance she or her mom have been asked to report on what they see/hear in the US. There is also an above 50% chance the majority of computers and phones brought by foreign athletes to these games get a clandestine search and bugged. There is a reason we told them all to take burners and not access key accounts/info while there.

If joe Biden had recently stated Mexico was naturally part of the US, and didn’t have a right to it’s own government, and had recently annexed Baja by force, you might have a point. But he didn’t, and you don’t.

Let’s add some more context, then. If Russia was for some reason part of a military alliance with northern South America and all of Central America, and had promised the US not to attempt to get Mexico to join that military alliance, that might make things too complicated than just reducing them to ‘Russia bad’, and arms shipments might seem like an intentional attempt to escalate things, which would fit into a historical pattern of behavior just as shitty as Putin’s recent statements, just subtler.

Don’t get me wrong, I despise Russia, but again the point I’m trying to make is that taking everything the American media presents at face value is very often path to supporting a war on either entirely false or trumped-up pretenses.

 

[qazwsxedc34]

The US wasn't founded on genocide. Watching YouTube docs does not make you an expert in US History. You also cannot equate the actions of men hundreds of years ago to the actions of a regime in our evolved and conscious present epoch that are actually committing genocide. In addition to that China represents the greatest threat to man's natural rights of freedom of speech, expression, privacy etc.

Despite its flaws, US Foreign Policy has defended subjugated people who are generally the targets of real genocide: Bosnians/Ethnic Albanians in the Balkans, Jews in the Holocaust, Yazidis/Christians in Northern Iraq and Syria, ETC ETC

A bunch of Yale allumni and "intellectuals" in the US, such as Solomon Adler, Israel Epstein, Anna Strong, Frank Coe, Adolph Joffe, helped to forment the communist revolution in China and were Mao's right hand men. As for the US, it was founded for profit and the securitization of assets against the indentured man who had no property or very little, like the Shaysites, the real men, who fought the speculators but in the end lost and died poor. Oh, I forgot, Mao was also a Yale man.

"The Social Experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history" ~ David Rockefeller

 

[qazwsxedc34]

Holy shit so many opinions by complete internet trolls.. until any of you are skilled enough to go the Olympics and choose who you want to represent. Your opinion is straight trash!

keep trolling NS… on a side note the level of competition last night was epic!

Holy shit so many opinions by anonymous normal plebs... until any of you are skilled enough to go into politics or front a state and choose what corporation you want to represent. Your opinion is straight trash!

 

[Skiblade420]

When people say the US was founded on genocide I don’t think they understand the meaning of the word.

 

[Joe_momma]

Let me preface this first by saying I think Eileen Gu is an incredible athlete. Clearly she has taken women's skiing to another level and thats cool I guess for the people that are into women's skiing.

While I understand her decision to compete for China given her mother's nationality, her marketability in China as a Gold Winning Skier in a burgeoning snow sports market etc, I still question her judgement and the ethics of skiing for Nation with an Authoritarian Regime that imprisons its religious minorities in concentration camps, censors and restricts the basic human rights of its citizens.

I don't check NS as much as I did 20 years ago, but I find it hard to believe this is only rustlin my jimmies?

I find it disappointing that the switch from the US Ski Team to China is essentially a cash grab/sell out move and it is disappointing seeing these actions taken in a sport that was created by a bunch of dirtbags (I say that with the utmost reverence) who wanted to change skiing from the overbearing regulation and stifling nature of the FIS.

I guess we've officially gone the way of snowboarding

Fuck the commies

 

[AndrewGravesSV]

When people say the US was founded on genocide I don’t think they understand the meaning of the word.

yeah ok!
https://around.uoregon.edu/content/...ve-american-genocide-its-legacy-and-survivors

 

[montanaskier420]

When people say the US was founded on genocide I don’t think they understand the meaning of the word.

I mean we genocided the Native Americans along with other European powers thats undisputed fact. But america was more built on the slave economy so idk what ur point is anyways. btw this is ski gabber keep your badly informed political shit out

 

[Woody.]

In a sense yes but at least it’s not current and not communist it’s still pick bet better of evils but let’s face it every nations done some fucked up stuff I just think we’re a better then that tho.

Anyone who says China is communist is economically illiterate.

 

[@LANTASKI]

I took a lap and it turns out that a cool, simple analogy would be Russia sending arms shipments to Mexico because the US was doing military drills in Texas. Or, if you want to use a historical example, the USSR sending nuclear weapons to Cuba would serve.

The geopolitical situation in Ukraine is not really related to this. I don't necessarily disagree with you, the current admin is tryingt to provoke a war with Russia.

Russia should have the right to do whatever they want within their nations border

 

[PacificRimJob]

So you can’t criticize a government with literal concentration camps for religious minorities among many other human rights violations?

that makes you *insert random word here*phobic?

You know what, ill take this bait.. sure..

Shut the fuck up, strawman. That's not what anyone said.

Of course you can criticize someone or something for doing bad shit... none of this says otherwise. Legitimate criticism never makes someone -phobic... I'm far and away the first person to criticize the PRC and CCP. I'm also extremely quick to criticize the USA, but that does not make me americanophobic.. cmon now..

--

In the case of Eileen Gu, none of you guys would give the slightest shit if the corporate media hadn't been lambasting the PRC for decades as a means of finding some form of outrage to deliver to its viewers to keep them watching... the PRC has become this foreboding enemy that is supposedly going to take over the USA or some bullshit (which is hilarious because there is no fucking way) They are exploiting this as some sort of fallacious slipping slope precursor... --first they steal our athletes (lol) next thing you know, they take over our country and make us all speak chinese!--

They're brewing up a new cold war... Eileen Gu competing for the PRC team is just more bullshit being fed to uneducated people (often people who don't even live in places with snow or give a fuck about skiing) who are already upset at China for their manufacturing jobs being sent over there for the last 30 years (when they really should be upset at corporations for moving jobs over there to exploit the cheap Chinese labour force - that's why they lost their jobs)

That's where this sinophobia comes from... it's decades of the corporate media pointing the finger towards this misunderstood thing across the ocean with a language you don't speak, all while it's really their sponsors who screwed you over... They have made China the enemy to deflect blame... And they have exploited the Uighur situation to legitimize what they're doing.

Hundreds if not thousands of athletes have competed under a different flag than the country they were born in... sometimes even raised in... Get over yourselves, and project your outrage somewhere constructive.

 

[PacificRimJob]

Russia should have the right to do whatever they want within their nations border

This is entirely unrelated to this thread about Eileen Gu and China but....

Russia are not just operating troops within their own border... Not even close. 8 years ago, a Russian lead insurgency, along with unmarked Russian troops invaded the Donbass and Crimea.

The invasion already happened... Russia is just amassing troops in case they want to escalate it into something far larger.

 

[alpineplease]

To bring this one back, who is Eileen Gu’s dad?

This is important.

 

[Alex_G]

Do you realize that we literally have racist child jails on our border yet you still live here

Let me preface this first by saying I think Eileen Gu is an incredible athlete. Clearly she has taken women's skiing to another level and thats cool I guess for the people that are into women's skiing.

While I understand her decision to compete for China given her mother's nationality, her marketability in China as a Gold Winning Skier in a burgeoning snow sports market etc, I still question her judgement and the ethics of skiing for Nation with an Authoritarian Regime that imprisons its religious minorities in concentration camps, censors and restricts the basic human rights of its citizens.

I don't check NS as much as I did 20 years ago, but I find it hard to believe this is only rustlin my jimmies?

I find it disappointing that the switch from the US Ski Team to China is essentially a cash grab/sell out move and it is disappointing seeing these actions taken in a sport that was created by a bunch of dirtbags (I say that with the utmost reverence) who wanted to change skiing from the overbearing regulation and stifling nature of the FIS.

I guess we've officially gone the way of snowboarding

 

[PacificRimJob]

To bring this one back, who is Eileen Gu’s dad?

This is important.

No it isnt.

 

[PacificRimJob]

Anyone who says China is communist is economically illiterate.

Truth as fuck.

PRC operates a mixed market oriented economy with state-operated economic planning. A pretty good mix of socialist policies with a market economy.

Marx and Lenin would hate PRC's economy.

 

[cobra_commander]

You know what, ill take this bait.. sure..

Shut the fuck up, strawman. That's not what anyone said.

Of course you can criticize someone or something for doing bad shit... none of this says otherwise. Legitimate criticism never makes someone -phobic... I'm far and away the first person to criticize the PRC and CCP. I'm also extremely quick to criticize the USA, but that does not make me americanophobic.. cmon now..

--

In the case of Eileen Gu, none of you guys would give the slightest shit if the corporate media hadn't been lambasting the PRC for decades as a means of finding some form of outrage to deliver to its viewers to keep them watching... the PRC has become this foreboding enemy that is supposedly going to take over the USA or some bullshit (which is hilarious because there is no fucking way) They are exploiting this as some sort of fallacious slipping slope precursor... --first they steal our athletes (lol) next thing you know, they take over our country and make us all speak chinese!--

They're brewing up a new cold war... Eileen Gu competing for the PRC team is just more bullshit being fed to uneducated people (often people who don't even live in places with snow or give a fuck about skiing) who are already upset at China for their manufacturing jobs being sent over there for the last 30 years (when they really should be upset at corporations for moving jobs over there to exploit the cheap Chinese labour force - that's why they lost their jobs)

That's where this sinophobia comes from... it's decades of the corporate media pointing the finger towards this misunderstood thing across the ocean with a language you don't speak, all while it's really their sponsors who screwed you over... They have made China the enemy to deflect blame... And they have exploited the Uighur situation to legitimize what they're doing.

Hundreds if not thousands of athletes have competed under a different flag than the country they were born in... sometimes even raised in... Get over yourselves, and project your outrage somewhere constructive.

Oh fucking fine.

Our media hasn’t been lambasting China for decades… regardless of that shit what we have here is:

A young American who decides she wants to represent her countries biggest adversary. An adversary who has done the following within the last year:

1. continued to destabilize South America and distribute fentanyl to drug cartels to continue killing hundreds of thousands of Americans

2. Continued to run the worlds largest genocide of a religious minority

3. Arrested and made up charges on two Canadian expats, including sentencing one to death, to force Canada to release a wealthy Chinese business women who has broken a shit ton of international laws to include helping China spy on fucking everyone.

4. Participated in an ongoing attempt to disrupt democratic elections around the world including our own.

5. just fucking disappeared their most prominent female sports star for accusing a senior party member of sexual assault and only brought her back out when it became clear the world was going to make a big fucking deal about it around their Olympics, and she denied ever making those accusations.

so yeah, Ms Gu choosing to represent China is a little fucking different than choosing to represent England, India, or Morocco.

If she really wants to be the next Peng Shuai, that’s her choice but she can also fuck off. She will be fine as long as she doesn’t say the wrong thing, they have plenty of luxury for the well connected over there.

 

[luthus001]

When people say the US was founded on genocide I don’t think they understand the meaning of the word.

Hmm.. manifest destiny, from sea to shining sea, dude? Where did that land come from and what happened to the previous owners of that land and their culture?

Yet people see no reason to boycott the American nation, heritage, culture, or history. Nor should there be. That's the thing

**This post was edited on Feb 9th 2022 at 12:07:36am

 

[PacificRimJob]

Oh fucking fine.

Our media hasn’t been lambasting China for decades… regardless of that shit what we have here is:

A young American who decides she wants to represent her countries biggest adversary. An adversary who has done the following within the last year:

1. continued to destabilize South America and distribute fentanyl to drug cartels to continue killing hundreds of thousands of Americans

2. Continued to run the worlds largest genocide of a religious minority

3. Arrested and made up charges on two Canadian expats, including sentencing one to death, to force Canada to release a wealthy Chinese business women who has broken a shit ton of international laws to include helping China spy on fucking everyone.

4. Participated in an ongoing attempt to disrupt democratic elections around the world including our own.

5. just fucking disappeared their most prominent female sports star for accusing a senior party member of sexual assault and only brought her back out when it became clear the world was going to make a big fucking deal about it around their Olympics, and she denied ever making those accusations.

so yeah, Ms Gu choosing to represent China is a little fucking different than choosing to represent England, India, or Morocco.

If she really wants to be the next Peng Shuai, that’s her choice but she can also fuck off. She will be fine as long as she doesn’t say the wrong thing, they have plenty of luxury for the well connected over there.

Look, like I said, the PRC and CCP is a piece of fucking shit. I fully support any criticism of the PRC and CCP, and admonish any appeasement to their tiny-dick complaints from NBA players, journalists, etc... It's a country filled with toxic masculine attitudes and an unstable rule of law. I have absolutely no intention of ever going there even if it's just the airport on a connecting flight.

But I do find it rich that we are complaining about China supposedly funnelling in opiates through South America when Americans, such as FDR's grandfather got wealthy smuggling opium into China from Anatolia...

Do two wrongs make a right? fuck no... but hey, anything on that list, you can find the USA doing the same type of shit. Saying she should represent the stars and stripes instead after what people in America did to Tommie Smith and John Carlos? Or how we have ignored the abusive nature of Béla Károlyi as the women's gymnastics coach or how he employed Larry Nassar while that fucker abused athletes at his training facility?

Look, fuck China... but also Fuck the USA. Also, fuck Canada for what they did to first nations people, and fuck Switzerland for profiting off of Nazi gold. Fuck New Zealand for stealing the foreshore from the Maori, and fuck Chad just because.

Like I said before - every country has some political dirt... if athletes had to make their decisions politically, they would be damned no matter their choice.

 

[cobra_commander]

Look, like I said, the PRC and CCP is a piece of fucking shit. I fully support any criticism of the PRC and CCP, and admonish any appeasement to their tiny-dick complaints from NBA players, journalists, etc... It's a country filled with toxic masculine attitudes and an unstable rule of law. I have absolutely no intention of ever going there even if it's just the airport on a connecting flight.

But I do find it rich that we are complaining about China supposedly funnelling in opiates through South America when Americans, such as FDR's grandfather got wealthy smuggling opium into China from Anatolia...

Do two wrongs make a right? fuck no... but hey, anything on that list, you can find the USA doing the same type of shit. Saying she should represent the stars and stripes instead after what people in America did to Tommie Smith and John Carlos? Or how we have ignored the abusive nature of Béla Károlyi as the women's gymnastics coach or how he employed Larry Nassar while that fucker abused athletes at his training facility?

Look, fuck China... but also Fuck the USA. Also, fuck Canada for what they did to first nations people, and fuck Switzerland for profiting off of Nazi gold. Fuck New Zealand for stealing the foreshore from the Maori, and fuck Chad just because.

Like I said before - every country has some political dirt... if athletes had to make their decisions politically, they would be damned no matter their choice.

You’re smarter than to equate any of that shit. Grow the fuck up

 

[luthus001]

You’re smarter than to equate any of that shit. Grow the fuck up

So every shitty thing US did, is still doing, and will ever do, is bad, but really kinda ok. Cuz our media said so

Every shitty thing the Chinese government or criminals in that country did, well, is different and enough to make all who associate with that country a bad person. Cuz our media said so.

Gotcha. Very mature and good with the critical thinking skills.

You know, Its a sign of grownup-ness, to know your history, lest you repeat it. To remember that Nationalism - the equivalent of arrogance, narcissism and selfishness but on a national level - was manipulated by unscrupulous actors and was the cause of both World Wars.

**This post was edited on Feb 9th 2022 at 12:56:31am

 

[PacificRimJob]

You’re smarter than to equate any of that shit. Grow the fuck up

Look dude, I'm by no means saying that just because America did some fucked up shit, that that gives China grounds to also do some of the fucked up shit they're doing right now and have done in the past...

But we are ultimately talking about a fucking TEENAGER and which piece of shit country's national anthem she wants to stand for and politicising it.

Do I think the USA is better than the PRC? Hell yeah, I do... but we also take strong note of our implicit bias here when it comes to nationality. What we think doesn't fucking matter for shit to Eileen, nor do either of us have the ability to relate to why she made the decision she did.

I guess if it's any consolation, at least America didn't tell everyone to kill all the birds and accidentally start a big stupid famine.

 

[BigPurpleSkiSuit]

Youre not wrong I mean genocide and bad shit has gone on in Africa for a long time but its much easier for the American media to peddle CHINA BAD since everyone knows China

You know what, ill take this bait.. sure..

Shut the fuck up, strawman. That's not what anyone said.

Of course you can criticize someone or something for doing bad shit... none of this says otherwise. Legitimate criticism never makes someone -phobic... I'm far and away the first person to criticize the PRC and CCP. I'm also extremely quick to criticize the USA, but that does not make me americanophobic.. cmon now..

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In the case of Eileen Gu, none of you guys would give the slightest shit if the corporate media hadn't been lambasting the PRC for decades as a means of finding some form of outrage to deliver to its viewers to keep them watching... the PRC has become this foreboding enemy that is supposedly going to take over the USA or some bullshit (which is hilarious because there is no fucking way) They are exploiting this as some sort of fallacious slipping slope precursor... --first they steal our athletes (lol) next thing you know, they take over our country and make us all speak chinese!--

They're brewing up a new cold war... Eileen Gu competing for the PRC team is just more bullshit being fed to uneducated people (often people who don't even live in places with snow or give a fuck about skiing) who are already upset at China for their manufacturing jobs being sent over there for the last 30 years (when they really should be upset at corporations for moving jobs over there to exploit the cheap Chinese labour force - that's why they lost their jobs)

That's where this sinophobia comes from... it's decades of the corporate media pointing the finger towards this misunderstood thing across the ocean with a language you don't speak, all while it's really their sponsors who screwed you over... They have made China the enemy to deflect blame... And they have exploited the Uighur situation to legitimize what they're doing.

Hundreds if not thousands of athletes have competed under a different flag than the country they were born in... sometimes even raised in... Get over yourselves, and project your outrage somewhere constructive.

 

[Skiblade420]

I mean we genocided the Native Americans along with other European powers thats undisputed fact. But america was more built on the slave economy so idk what ur point is anyways. btw this is ski gabber keep your badly informed political shit out

The definition of genocide is the deliberate killing in masses of a certain people as to wipe them out.

90% of natives were wiped out from disease which was by no means a deliberate attack, did it work in westerners favor? Yes.

Yes there were certain tribes that were peaceful / or very vulnerable that westerners abused and or killed. There were also many tribes that would brutally war with one another effectively committing what would fit your description of “genocide” on one another. Cannibalism, rape and murdering of family members in front of the conquered victims, child sacrifice type rituals were relevant.

(that’s happened in many western cultures at some point in history as well)

Combine this with complete social differences. (Natives trading land for goods then coming back to take said land) and also yes a lot of un ethical taking of land / horrid things settlers did to native people. It makes a very messy situation that was terrible.

I’m not arguing what happened wasn’t wrong. I think settlers did in-fact wipe out the native population of course, but the word genocide doesn’t seem to apply since the disease was indirect / there were other factors that lead to what happened.

The Holocaust is a perfect example of what the word genocide means / is extremely different if you compare the two.

**This post was edited on Feb 9th 2022 at 2:45:13am

 

[Skiblade420]

The United States is disgusting with the things they’ve done, and I never would prescribe myself to a certain nation, but you have to be kidding if you think China isn’t severely worse. They straight up are the reason North Korea even exists. I’d urge you to listen to Yeonmi Park talk about what living there was like. Not to mention the missing people / athletes that disappear for speaking out / severe abuse of women. Their social credit system is crazy too. If you can’t see the difference you’re smokin something