Is Eileen Gu Competing for China Problematic?
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hunternay_10
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The amount of negative Karma that this thread has gotten you is astounding. Take that as a symbol that your take is fucking garbage. The US doesn’t suck. She wanted money. And that’s okay, but shitting on everyone bc they want their country to be represented by the best is fucking laughable. Even more laughable is the fact that she would leave the US because of hate crimes when the Chinese government is actively hiding a female professional athlete because she spoke out against the government. At least we didn’t kill our top athletes because of the Me too movement.
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ASSholebomber22
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14365236:skierman said:
Of course the longest running loser on NS takes pride in having no idea what it means to be part of a team. To think this is all you are and that you'll likely never change is pretty sad tbh. Real talk I just hope when you go out, you won't be so miserable to take others with you.
Professor-Modelo
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He is a lonely, lonely man, leave him alone. As another gentleman of NS mentioned earlier , he is borderline retarded if not fully… it is straight up abusive for us to make fun of him, despite his intellectual non-performance
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Skiblade420
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if you’re trying to say the States and China have similar levels of human rights violations then you’re big dumb
MiIfHunter
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14366590:Jems said:
Fuck that candy ass
skierman
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14366590:Jems said:
"Newschoolers Member of the Year criticizes best woman park skier for using the wrong flag at the Olympics."
When the Onion becomes real life.
Who knew the IOC would eventually lead to park skiing becoming infested with gaper trash. Kids like you are on the same level of embarrassment and disgrace as racer parents. Its a shame so many agree with your garbage take.
MiIfHunter
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14366594:skierman said:
fuck her she is a dumb cunt
skierman
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14366615:Jems said:
"Imagine someone born in the bay area takes gold for china over you
id be hating very hard"
"I'D HATE IT IF SOMEONE 'WON' GOLD FOR ANOTHER COUNTRY!"
Instead of...
"If Gu wins gold, that's awesome for women's skiing!"
You're just a piece of comp. bro shit, dude.
FruitBootPro
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14365137:@LANTASKI said:
Basically this lol
I think supporting the CCP is really not it right now. Tensions between China, Taiwan, and America keep growing...very bad time to choose to represent them
AndrewGravesSV
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14366596:MiIfHunter said:
I mean its the shit like this that signals there's some latent sexism in this thread.
Taking stock again, this thread is made to try and judge and shame an 18 year old half Chinese woman for choosing to represent China in the Olympics. I'd agree that its a cash grab essentially in a sport without much money but that doesnt mean you can discount her legit connections to the country.
Bringing in ethics to question her judgement and then getting super triggered if anyone brings up the USA's own human rights abuses is some wack patriotic bullshit. It's not a competition for whoever commits less moral crimes wins Eileen Gu. She's gonna make whatever choice makes the most sense for her. It feels like to me that people in this thread are angry that someone who is the best in the world at a sport didn't pick what they think is the best country in the world. Cry about it?
For a scene that prides itself on hating FIS and the olympics, there sure is a lot of hate getting thrown at an 18 year old woman because the usa might miss out on a medal
ASSholebomber22
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14366628:AndrewGravesSV said:
If you're a ccp sympathizer just say that.
ndye
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14366628:AndrewGravesSV said:
Once again, it’s not about the medal. Countries and athletes across the globe are discussing boycotting the Olympics due to the human rights violations from China.
Now a top tier American skier in the prime of her career, is deciding to go ahead and instead of talking about the problems evident in the host country instead decides to represent said host country, the one with the insanely problematic state supported genocide?
She can do whatever she wants, but fuck if I don’t find it repugnant. As many in this thread do.
AndrewGravesSV
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14366823:ndye said:
I think its relevant that she made the decision to compete for China three years ago, hardly at her peak. Its gotta be tough for her having set this all in motion and having more and more come out. Who knows even how much input or pressure she had from family or other people on the choice.
I'd be stoked if the us and athletes boycotted because of it just like I'd be psyched if countries boycotted the next world cup. I just think its weird to blame a young woman for not being a figurehead in a larger geopolitical game when she made a decision vested in her own best interests at 15 years old
*mr. Krabs MONEY picture*
(Im low on data this month ??)
(Im low on data this month ??)
-eREKTion-
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It’s called FREE-skiing not AUTHORITARIAN-skiing. Boycott the olympics and fuck the Chinese gov.
Chunderface
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14366628:AndrewGravesSV said:
How is it a cash grab? And if it were a cash grab, that would make her an even bigger asshole, no?
chubbspeterson
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its absolutely about money. you're naive if you don't think so. china has been pumping money into a ski program for these olympics since 2016. as the host country, they are doing everything they can to look the best for the olympics held in their country. if the US paid Eileen more money under the table to compete for them, im sure she would. but china is absolutely paying her an insane amount to compete for them.
its too bad because if she was skiing for the US, she'd become a shaun white status celebrity after she sweeps these olympics. all of you that will disagree with me are wrong.
its too bad because if she was skiing for the US, she'd become a shaun white status celebrity after she sweeps these olympics. all of you that will disagree with me are wrong.
Chunderface
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14367191:chubbspeterson said:
Where are you hearing China is paying Gu large sums to compete for them? I am not saying this isn't happening, but China is a communist country. The national programs have never worked this way.
PrunedLankly
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14366620:skierman said:
Shut up Commie
Skiblade420
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Sorry I was so late you guys
chubbspeterson
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14367201:skeirman said:
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I think it's OK for Eileen to represent whoever she wants.
Regarding nationalism in the Olympics; they SHOULD be about the athletes regardless of nation, but they appear to BE very focused on nationalism. At least here in the US, the coverage is about the US 80%+ of the time. Could easily be a world showcase but we're not allowed to see that except during the open/close ceremonies.
Regarding tension with China, it's a little eerie how our relationship quietly deteriorates in lock step with China's refusal to enforce digital copyrights, meanwhile the issue of human rights is either raised or ignored depending on whether China is currently helping. Maybe the cause and effect are reversed and I'm just seeing a conspiracy. You know, aliens.
Regarding nationalism in the Olympics; they SHOULD be about the athletes regardless of nation, but they appear to BE very focused on nationalism. At least here in the US, the coverage is about the US 80%+ of the time. Could easily be a world showcase but we're not allowed to see that except during the open/close ceremonies.
Regarding tension with China, it's a little eerie how our relationship quietly deteriorates in lock step with China's refusal to enforce digital copyrights, meanwhile the issue of human rights is either raised or ignored depending on whether China is currently helping. Maybe the cause and effect are reversed and I'm just seeing a conspiracy. You know, aliens.
Chunderface
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Did you hear this somewhere?
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Beastcoastpanthr
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topic:@LANTASKI said:
Man im so proud of this question !!!!! With that being said I've had the same thoughts as you, almost to the extent of disliking Gu. In my head if you are attending a IVY league school in the West and being of Chinese decent Id think you'd be on the forefront of change ,having seen with your own eyen and known people being appressed by the CCP. Saying nothing about Taiwan or Hong Kong, or Weighurs almost makes you complicent in my eyes. So to represent China and not the U.S. seems borderline extremely offensive to he extent of my really questioning her character. BUT on the contrary i must think given the terrible current situation as well as the AWFUL history of the CCP (MAO) perhaps she knows something I dont and her representing China instead of the U.S. is somehow a secret progressive movement which helps the cause of the Chinese population. She seems so likeable and unbelievably talented so im really hoping i just dont understand the complexitiy and depth of her decision but on the surface as far as PR and her image ,beyond a insanely talented ski robot w/ no opinion or soul, the representing of the possibly worst government in the world is a terrible move. China quietly supports and enables North Korea, has active concentration camps, probably has a hand in the atrocities in Burma, and views their people as extremely expendable property and holds the record for the deadliest government caused famine in the fucking 1960's so how can you go to a IVY league western school and be unaware. I dont know if its possible. I am rooting for Gu foolishly though.
Beastcoastpanthr
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14364136:@LANTASKI said:
though unpopur. this statement is 1000% true and correct. I think a nice quote that describes us is "Americans will always do the right thing after they've tried everything else" lmao
Should be noted that she made the decision in 2019, when she was just a budding athlete, and when reports of Uyghurs abuses were just surfacing and before they were called a "genocide", but not before Trump had fanned antagonism at "China" (and not just the CCP) for a while. "China RAPED America" "Every Chinese student in the US is a Chinese spy" or something the equivalent were openly touted by the President.
And since then, for 3 years, she or the Chinese team would be paying for her training and any use of facilities in the US. So its not like she hogged resources at Team USA and just suddenly decided to switch to China.
As far as human rights in China go, since big words like genocide are being thrown around, it helps to know what is actually being alleged. Its not death camps. Its heavy-handed criminal prosecution for "terrorism" related charges, plus extrajudicial government mandated jobs training, ideological indoctrination in low security camps and government mandatory employment post camp. Cultural genocide by forced assimilation. Not unlike our own Natives assimilation policies. Targeted not necessarily at all of Uyghur culture and language, but the Islamic aspect of it. Essentially outlawing the practice of Islam by Uyghurs.
Is it problematic? Certainly. But worth noting that, because both Parties, and a supermajority of voters want confrontation with China since at least 2016, and our English-speaking Allies largely follow our lead - to form an opinion on China based solely on English language news and social media is like trying to form an opinion on Trump watching only CNN, or an opinion on Dems watching only OAN.
A breakdown of different types of "camps" in the Uyghur region
https://mobile.twitter.com/nrg8000/status/1175353408749891584?lang=en
The original report alleging forced labor outside of "camps"
https://www.jpolrisk.com/beyond-the...y-alleviation-and-social-control-in-xinjiang/
Some counter points by pro-China persons - not state-controlled, i dont think. Of course biased, but it helps to read both sides anyways
https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-wa...tim-doesnt-exist/276916/#.YI1iBit2_os.twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1486542207456710656
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**This post was edited on Feb 6th 2022 at 5:04:13pm
And since then, for 3 years, she or the Chinese team would be paying for her training and any use of facilities in the US. So its not like she hogged resources at Team USA and just suddenly decided to switch to China.
As far as human rights in China go, since big words like genocide are being thrown around, it helps to know what is actually being alleged. Its not death camps. Its heavy-handed criminal prosecution for "terrorism" related charges, plus extrajudicial government mandated jobs training, ideological indoctrination in low security camps and government mandatory employment post camp. Cultural genocide by forced assimilation. Not unlike our own Natives assimilation policies. Targeted not necessarily at all of Uyghur culture and language, but the Islamic aspect of it. Essentially outlawing the practice of Islam by Uyghurs.
Is it problematic? Certainly. But worth noting that, because both Parties, and a supermajority of voters want confrontation with China since at least 2016, and our English-speaking Allies largely follow our lead - to form an opinion on China based solely on English language news and social media is like trying to form an opinion on Trump watching only CNN, or an opinion on Dems watching only OAN.
A breakdown of different types of "camps" in the Uyghur region
https://mobile.twitter.com/nrg8000/status/1175353408749891584?lang=en
The original report alleging forced labor outside of "camps"
https://www.jpolrisk.com/beyond-the...y-alleviation-and-social-control-in-xinjiang/
Some counter points by pro-China persons - not state-controlled, i dont think. Of course biased, but it helps to read both sides anyways
https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-wa...tim-doesnt-exist/276916/#.YI1iBit2_os.twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1486542207456710656
**This post was edited on Feb 6th 2022 at 5:02:18pm
**This post was edited on Feb 6th 2022 at 5:04:13pm
Chunderface
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Fuck Eileen Gu. Enjoys living an amazing life in the States and all it gave her, then turns her back on it. Fuck her.
Young_patty
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Lol y’all are reading too deep into this.
plus Gu is bouta curb stomp the US womens team in skiing so go her!
plus Gu is bouta curb stomp the US womens team in skiing so go her!
Now, since you all are down-voting me when i only said it helps to consider different perspectives, without throwing around "racism" like the other goon did - i think i dont mind inviting some further hatred from you since that attitude is already set in stone
Consider this video and reporting, im sure you probably have heard- a Dutch reporter being dragged away by CCP goons on air. Evil CCP with no press freedom assaulting reporters, right?
https://nos.nl/peking2022/artikel/2...e-chinese-bewaker-duwde-nos-correspondent-weg
But if you can understand the Chinese words that are being said in the video, it paints a completely different picture. The goon (poorly trained "safety volunteer") was saying, move a little further along, bro. Just a little further. So the police directed them to leave the traffic-controlled area and pointed a direction, but apparently they didn't move far enough. Or the police didn't point out the "allowed" location clear enough earlier. In any case the "safety volunteer" shouldn't have removed the reporter physically unless there was an emergency, which there was not. Poorly trained goon and an misunderstanding. Not some sinister CCP ploy. But anyone watching American news wouldn't know that the slightest.
Back to human-rights violations - did you know that China ended extrajudicial "reform thru labor" policies in 2013? These were brutal policies of extrajudicial imprisonment labor and indoctrination, exactly like what's done to the Uyghurs, but enacted throughout China. (They brought that back only in the Uyghur region in 2017). English language media didnt report that. Thats some progress, at least. I thought Western human-rights campaigners would've cared. Apparently not.
Or that they announced they banned organ "donation" from death-row inmates in 2014? Also a progress, but not report by MSM. Some even say organ-havesting continues to this day. But according to my Chinese associates, the organ waiting list has become very long in recent years so there's evidence of discontinuation or a significant reduction in the practice.
So you see, how the selective reporting - omitting the good, theprogress, exaggerating the bad - coupled with official rhetoric against "China", and not specifying the Chinese government, can be somewhat off-putting to people who do speak Chinese and have a personal connection to the culture and relatives/friends/acquaintances there.
**This post was edited on Feb 6th 2022 at 6:19:12pm
Consider this video and reporting, im sure you probably have heard- a Dutch reporter being dragged away by CCP goons on air. Evil CCP with no press freedom assaulting reporters, right?
https://nos.nl/peking2022/artikel/2...e-chinese-bewaker-duwde-nos-correspondent-weg
But if you can understand the Chinese words that are being said in the video, it paints a completely different picture. The goon (poorly trained "safety volunteer") was saying, move a little further along, bro. Just a little further. So the police directed them to leave the traffic-controlled area and pointed a direction, but apparently they didn't move far enough. Or the police didn't point out the "allowed" location clear enough earlier. In any case the "safety volunteer" shouldn't have removed the reporter physically unless there was an emergency, which there was not. Poorly trained goon and an misunderstanding. Not some sinister CCP ploy. But anyone watching American news wouldn't know that the slightest.
Back to human-rights violations - did you know that China ended extrajudicial "reform thru labor" policies in 2013? These were brutal policies of extrajudicial imprisonment labor and indoctrination, exactly like what's done to the Uyghurs, but enacted throughout China. (They brought that back only in the Uyghur region in 2017). English language media didnt report that. Thats some progress, at least. I thought Western human-rights campaigners would've cared. Apparently not.
Or that they announced they banned organ "donation" from death-row inmates in 2014? Also a progress, but not report by MSM. Some even say organ-havesting continues to this day. But according to my Chinese associates, the organ waiting list has become very long in recent years so there's evidence of discontinuation or a significant reduction in the practice.
So you see, how the selective reporting - omitting the good, theprogress, exaggerating the bad - coupled with official rhetoric against "China", and not specifying the Chinese government, can be somewhat off-putting to people who do speak Chinese and have a personal connection to the culture and relatives/friends/acquaintances there.
**This post was edited on Feb 6th 2022 at 6:19:12pm
Chunderface
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Your defense of China is to point out they've cut down on the organ harvesting from prisoners?
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14392432:skeirman said:
No. Its to point out that biased reporting and rhetoric from offical channels, and the resulting resentment by average Americans against all things "China" including people of that origin, even all East Asians, may be a factor that the alethete would consider in deciding who to represent.
Its like black folks fighting WWII for America only to be denied GI benefits after they returned. Had they known it would happen before hand, i wonder how many wouldve had second thoughts
If i really wanted to defend China, guess i could repeat the government line about how many people they lifted out of poverty and how their standard of living is quite a bit higher than the (East) Indians'. They also killed a lot of people with their crazy ideology and Communist economic experiment.
Im not going there. Xi is a monstrosity. Democracy and freedom has never been so far out of reach for the people, with modern weapons and surveillance technology in the hands of an out-of-control regime. But i digress.
I find it insulting to the collective American intelligence, that unconditional hate for persons caught in this aweful geopolitical crossfire and just trying to do the best they can, is, well, unconditional and enjoyed by a supermajority of Americans including in the skiing community that is normally "chill"
Im not going there. Xi is a monstrosity. Democracy and freedom has never been so far out of reach for the people, with modern weapons and surveillance technology in the hands of an out-of-control regime. But i digress.
I find it insulting to the collective American intelligence, that unconditional hate for persons caught in this aweful geopolitical crossfire and just trying to do the best they can, is, well, unconditional and enjoyed by a supermajority of Americans including in the skiing community that is normally "chill"
Professor-Modelo
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Ik a ban is probably justified considering I pulled a skier man but I beg of the NS mods to discard their bias and let us rip on CCP stans the same way you allow people to shit on those who hold political views that oppose the very commonly held opinions with freeskiing
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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I've been kind of ignoring this thread for awhile now, but I feel the need to make a take after watching the downhill and big air last night. I feel for the people of China who just want to live and not be fucked up government drones. Unfortunately their government has been in power long enough to brainwash the populace effectively. As people have said before in this thread, sure the US has it's own issues, but they pale in comparison to what China has achieved and continues to achieve throughout recent years. 1960 is now 62 years ago. People are still alive today who remember when the government told its farmers to go make shit steel with all their fuel for the winter and 10s of millions starved and froze to death. The 're-education' camps for the Uyghur that are going on nowadays, not to mention of course Tiananmen square where they ran over students protesting peacefully for democracy with tanks and gunned them down with machine guns. I don't understand how you could possibly want to compete for a country where that government is still in power. I get that there is a massive amount of money to be made with Eileen's dual athlete and supermodel profile, so she really can't offend anyone if she wants to maintain that in China. But she could have chosen quietly to compete for the U.S. where she was born and grew up and learned to ski and no one would have batted an eye. Yeah, she's a kid, and likely listens to others to help monetize her own persona, but she'll make more than enough money in this lifetime to pay for anything she wants. Wish we could hear her opinion on that, but instead we get Ankilla asking her if she'd drink piss and her mom refused to interview with the New York Times because they refused to not ask questions about her opinions on China. So yeah, pisses me off that someone would choose to compete for China.
PsychicMigration
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14392789:BigPurpleSkiSuit said:
The fact that its a cash grab is what really pisses me off. Even if your completely politically oblivious you have an understanding of government oppression there. I have to agree and say either way she's going to make plenty and why not do it on the side of morality which kind of baffles me, and in her own way is acting like those dumbass e-boy Fagan degenerates.
corona
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14392789:BigPurpleSkiSuit said:
100%.
Unfortunately it says nothing good about her as a person that she willingly chooses to represent a country with such an abysmal human rights record (both past and present). She's old enough that either 1- she's totally brainwashed or 2- money is more important to her than any human rights issues. Considering she's spent her whole life in the US I have to think it's #2. Pretty sad.
ASSholebomber22
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Eileen gu, more like eileen who? I only support the real ones who represent their family's nations ????