If Trump wins

[Campeador]

My god you are an idiot. That article said the Iranian men protested the death of their fellow inmate. It did not say they started the riot. Did you also miss the part where the humans right director raised concerns over conditions at Manus Island? Yeah, fuck those people who just want to better their life. Let's throw them in conditions worse than any prison in Australia.

You also may wish to read some statistics about asylum seekers. Like how many of them are granted are citizenship. I know you'll probably cry thinking Australia is under some Islamic invasion.

http://www.asrc.org.au/resources/statistics/detention-and-refugee-statistics/

And you asked where I got my 20% number from.

http://johnmenadue.com/blog/?p=353

Now I know you're going to point out that 42% number, but keep in mind we're talking about boat people here that come from places like Indonesia, and countries around that region. And not the mass migrant crisis we are currently seeing that skew those numbers.

But did you miss the part where a guard can rape an inmate and get away with it? Oh no, let's not care about that because he's white. Or if a guard reports how horrible the conditions are he can be jailed. Yeah let's not care about that. You are such an insufferable human being. Go live in a camp for a over a year and see how you react. And just one last nail in the coffin, no refugees are not committing crime like some fuckwits like yourself like to claim.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-26/davidsonrefugee/2732220

So your only source is a blog with meaningless, outdated statistics from 4-6 years ago, long before the current surge in "refugee" migration. You even got your own statistics wrong. Furthermore, what the hell is a muslim Iranian doing on Christmas Island? They are opportunist migrants, Iran should be their Islamic paradise.

I know you've got a soft spot in your heart for the followers of the prophet, how else can you justify the crimes committed by the migrant trash in these detention centers?

Viktor Orban is right, these people are a horde of evil, being encouraged along by open-borders Marxists types like yourself.

 

[Deepskier]

FUCK TRUMP FEEL THE BERN

 

[S.J.W]

So your only source is a blog with meaningless, outdated statistics from 4-6 years ago, long before the current surge in "refugee" migration. You even got your own statistics wrong. Furthermore, what the hell is a muslim Iranian doing on Christmas Island? They are opportunist migrants, Iran should be their Islamic paradise.

I know you've got a soft spot in your heart for the followers of the prophet, how else can you justify the crimes committed by the migrant trash in these detention centers?

Viktor Orban is right, these people are a horde of evil, being encouraged along by open-borders Marxists types like yourself.

hahahhahah, fuck you're a funny cunt. Please continue, you are killing this persona.

 

[Peter.]

hahahhahah, fuck you're a funny cunt. Please continue, you are killing this persona.

resorting to name calling, classic "I lost the argument" strategy

 

[Huck_Norris]

Is it really that bad? 0 taxes for anyone that makes under $20,000 dollars? And virtually everyone else pays a flat 25%? Also he would fix this ridiculous corporate tax that america seems to somehow justify. I always lawl when Bernie says that he is going to force corporate america to pay the 35% tax rate, its about as feasible as trump building a 50 foot tall 1000 mile wall at the border. We need a president that will bring money back into this country. Whether that is a republican fixing our trade deficits and bringing back businesses, or a president that will fix our deteriorating higher education system, something has to happen. Also, fuck Hilary.

In a nutshell, YES. Trump's plan is immeasurably worse. Not only does he propose a tax cut that would be into the trillions over the length of his term, he also says he's going to balance the budget by "trimming the fat" in the Governmental programs. Now, given that he could cut literally every single peripheral Govt. function and still not balance that out (EPA, Dept. of Education, Soc Sec.,Treasury, National Parks, etc. etc. etc.) but he also says he's going to strengthen our military (more money) and build a 2000 mile wall for $10M??? If his plan goes through, the country won't be able to do a fucking thing.

It doesn't take a genius to see that he has no idea how this will add up, and even the most basic computation will tell you it's trillions out of whack and reckless as fuck. It's like saying you don't like how Obama drives so you're going to grab the wheel and steer us square into a bridge abutment because "That'll fix that!

I'd add that at the very least, Bernie did a pretty succinct breakdown of how he would pay for his plans and why they're important, and although there is certainly room for debate as to "how well they'd work" or "what variables will change the outcome irl" but at least it makes sense on paper. Trump's "plan" - if you could even call it that - is so far outside basic math and reality it's a flat out drunken cocktail-napkin concoction by someone who is just stringing buzzwords together to try to sound good to other people who have no fucking clue how shit actually works. The guy has no fucking idea what he's even attempting to do and for someone who's supposedly "A good businessman" (lol) he should at least have a vague idea of how to balance what Rush's fucktard army think they want and what can actually be accomplished without breaking the laws of mathematics. Doing all the things he says he wants to do is literally impossible- and not because people won't let him, it's math itself this time that says "No... Just no, Donnie."

 

[Campeador]

hahahhahah, fuck you're a funny cunt. Please continue, you are killing this persona.

The dribbling toilet speaks again.

In all honesty though, what the hell is that thing?

 

[Campeador]

In a nutshell, YES. Trump's plan is immeasurably worse. Not only does he propose a tax cut that would be into the trillions over the length of his term, he also says he's going to balance the budget by "trimming the fat" in the Governmental programs. Now, given that he could cut literally every single peripheral Govt. function and still not balance that out (EPA, Dept. of Education, Soc Sec.,Treasury, National Parks, etc. etc. etc.) but he also says he's going to strengthen our military (more money) and build a 2000 mile wall for $10M??? If his plan goes through, the country won't be able to do a fucking thing.

It doesn't take a genius to see that he has no idea how this will add up, and even the most basic computation will tell you it's trillions out of whack and reckless as fuck. It's like saying you don't like how Obama drives so you're going to grab the wheel and steer us square into a bridge abutment because "That'll fix that!

I'd add that at the very least, Bernie did a pretty succinct breakdown of how he would pay for his plans and why they're important, and although there is certainly room for debate as to "how well they'd work" or "what variables will change the outcome irl" but at least it makes sense on paper. Trump's "plan" - if you could even call it that - is so far outside basic math and reality it's a flat out drunken cocktail-napkin concoction by someone who is just stringing buzzwords together to try to sound good to other people who have no fucking clue how shit actually works. The guy has no fucking idea what he's even attempting to do and for someone who's supposedly "A good businessman" (lol) he should at least have a vague idea of how to balance what Rush's fucktard army think they want and what can actually be accomplished without breaking the laws of mathematics. Doing all the things he says he wants to do is literally impossible- and not because people won't let him, it's math itself this time that says "No... Just no, Donnie."

You bring up good points, but you're blowing his plans out of proportion and relying a bit on hyperbole. Obviously his tax plans will need an honest actuarialist approach to determine their feasibility before being implemented (this would have been nice for Obamacare). A tax break in one place would need to be evened out somewhere else. In terms of his proposal for corporate taxes, bringing the rate down to 25% and eliminating all the deductions, exemptions and loopholes would be a great start. We currently have the highest corporate tax rate (39%, used to be 35%) and a million and one loopholes. How do skeevy companies like Apple and GE get away with paying so little in taxes? Answer, they all hire armies of lawyers and accountants to exploit every last loophole in the book.

If a lower tax rate with no loopholes brought in more overall tax revenue, how could you be against it?

I know some folks are going to go berserk and talk about "trickle-down" economics, but it's not trickle down. It's encouraging companies to invest here, bring their money here (instead of keeping it offshore), and pay a steady 25% in taxes with no exceptions. With companies like GE that pay effectively 0%, how can you be against a change that puts an end to this? Whether companies will invest, who can say? But at this point it is justifiable to punish and tax US companies that refuse to invest in the US but rely on US consumers.

It's also disingenuous to say that a man who has built various multi-billion dollar businesses would be unaware of the fundamentals of business and accounting. Has be been promising a bit more than he can deliver? Perhaps, but this is nothing new in politics (especially for those who remember 2008).

Trump's tax plan is equally up for debate as Bernie's plan. You cannot say that Trump's plan defies mathematics, and on the same token defend Bernie's plan, which is very questionable at best and only supported by the most socialist of neo-Keynesian economists. One could also say that Bernie's millenial "free-stuff" supporters are equally ignorant of economics and blue-collar working class men and women at Trump rallies. The difference is the blue-collar folks actually work and pay income tax.

Lastly, I wouldn't talk down on ideas written originally napkins, it's the source of some of the greatest ideas in history.

 

[Campeador]

If you want to understand the core of Trump's support, you need only watch the video below:

What Bernie Sanders supporters don't get (or refuse to get), is that a free education means absolutely nothing when there are no jobs after, especially when those jobs are going to foreigners. Bernie could've taken a solid stance on this, but instead he's decided to pander to the Latino open-borders crowd, a game he is going to lose miserably to Hillary.

This kind of abuse isn't just taking place at Disney, but at hundreds of companies around the US. The most recent example is Abbot Labs. They are trying to replace 150 US tech workers with cheaper H-1B replacements, and Senator Dick Durbin (to his credit), a Democrat, has ordered Abbott Labs to answer for this.

There are also the examples of companies like Carrier, abusing trade agreements to move their production facilities to Mexico, but still want the benefit from the US consumer market.

Trump is the only candidate that is taking a strong stance against all of this. For all of his imperfections and brashness, he's the only one that makes people believe that their voice is more important than the lobbyists and elitists that fund campaigns. To his credit, Bernie also has done this, but he also attempts to pander to crowds that will never vote for him. You simply cannot have the programs that Bernie proposes with open-borders and educated U.S. STEM workers losing their jobs left and right.

 

[Logey.]

In a nutshell, YES. Trump's plan is immeasurably worse. Not only does he propose a tax cut that would be into the trillions over the length of his term, he also says he's going to balance the budget by "trimming the fat" in the Governmental programs. Now, given that he could cut literally every single peripheral Govt. function and still not balance that out (EPA, Dept. of Education, Soc Sec.,Treasury, National Parks, etc. etc. etc.) but he also says he's going to strengthen our military (more money) and build a 2000 mile wall for $10M??? If his plan goes through, the country won't be able to do a fucking thing.

It doesn't take a genius to see that he has no idea how this will add up, and even the most basic computation will tell you it's trillions out of whack and reckless as fuck. It's like saying you don't like how Obama drives so you're going to grab the wheel and steer us square into a bridge abutment because "That'll fix that!

I'd add that at the very least, Bernie did a pretty succinct breakdown of how he would pay for his plans and why they're important, and although there is certainly room for debate as to "how well they'd work" or "what variables will change the outcome irl" but at least it makes sense on paper. Trump's "plan" - if you could even call it that - is so far outside basic math and reality it's a flat out drunken cocktail-napkin concoction by someone who is just stringing buzzwords together to try to sound good to other people who have no fucking clue how shit actually works. The guy has no fucking idea what he's even attempting to do and for someone who's supposedly "A good businessman" (lol) he should at least have a vague idea of how to balance what Rush's fucktard army think they want and what can actually be accomplished without breaking the laws of mathematics. Doing all the things he says he wants to do is literally impossible- and not because people won't let him, it's math itself this time that says "No... Just no, Donnie."

Yes, your argument about the federal government losing money from income taxes is undeniably true, but you forget the fact that the money saved from income taxes will inevitably be spent in the free market, which will increase the amount of sales tax dollars states will receive from consumers. How much they will gain likely can't be accurately predicted, but i'm willing to guess that it is substantial. Also, with states receiving the tax dollars rather than the federal government, it will allow the states to come up with different plans to solve the various problems that are specific to their state.

And lol at your generalization of all trump supporters. I could make the same ridiculous claims about the berntards, but would rather have an honest argument about policies without bashing the other sides supporters. You can go ahead and think that you know everything about how the government will function in the future based on the hypothetical policies given by each candidate. Go ahead. My guess is that congress wont let any policies given by either side make it through, and if they somehow do i'm sure the judicial branch will have an opposing opinion.

 

[S.J.W]

resorting to name calling, classic "I lost the argument" strategy

If you know campeador then you know that it's literally impossible to have a discussion with him. So I quote him every once in a while to have a laugh. I don't take anything he says seriously

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

If he does somehow manage to get elected, I hope he has an economic advisory committee that tells him protectionist policies and tariffs will have negative effects and ultimately hurt the American people.

 

[Campeador]

If you know campeador then you know that it's literally impossible to have a discussion with him. So I quote him every once in a while to have a laugh. I don't take anything he says seriously

I'm glad the feeling is mutual, you're the most insufferable person on this site.

What could be more irritating than some 14k-a-year, social justice loser from Australia who is so bereft of activities that he has an odd fascination with US politics.

Maybe you should get a 2nd job with all the idle time you spend on here and the HuffPost website.

 

[daannnnieel]

I'm glad the feeling is mutual, you're the most insufferable person on this site.

What could be more irritating than some 14k-a-year, social justice loser from Australia who is so bereft of activities that he has an odd fascination with US politics.

Maybe you should get a 2nd job with all the idle time you spend on here and the HuffPost website.

and I guess you win name calling too

jesus

 

[S.J.W]

Yes, your argument about the federal government losing money from income taxes is undeniably true, but you forget the fact that the money saved from income taxes will inevitably be spent in the free market, which will increase the amount of sales tax dollars states will receive from consumers. How much they will gain likely can't be accurately predicted, but i'm willing to guess that it is substantial. Also, with states receiving the tax dollars rather than the federal government, it will allow the states to come up with different plans to solve the various problems that are specific to their state.

And lol at your generalization of all trump supporters. I could make the same ridiculous claims about the berntards, but would rather have an honest argument about policies without bashing the other sides supporters. You can go ahead and think that you know everything about how the government will function in the future based on the hypothetical policies given by each candidate. Go ahead. My guess is that congress wont let any policies given by either side make it through, and if they somehow do i'm sure the judicial branch will have an opposing opinion.

While in theory your argument is solid, you're ignoring the MPC. You're assuming Americas MPC is at 1. Now by the numbers the MPC for the top 1% is currently 0.44. For the top 10%, they're at 0.45. The top 20% have an MPC of .42. Top 40% is at 0.56. Top 50% is at 0.58

So your argument that any dollar that isn't taxed will go back into the free market is invalid. If the high tax rates the US currently has results in MPC to be relatively high but no where near the 1 you assumed then the MPC would only shrink if you lowered taxes.

https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpwps/ecbwp1655.pdf

 

[robert.clarkeiii]

Look at it this way, yea trump may have 40 something percent of the republican votes now, however the other 60 percent of votes are spread out amongst 8 different candidates. As the number of republican candidates begins to drop, more votes will be going to rubio and cruz narrowing trumps lead. On top of that we also have to look at the voters of Sander's. Most likely Hillary will get the nomination. Many of Sanders voters cannot stand Hillary and would rather see someone else elected. This gives the republicans a chance to score some more votes from the sanders crowed if he does not get the nomination. There still too much time to tell for sure but Trump really hasn't won just yet, he's going to have some serious competition in a few months.

 

[S.J.W]

I'm glad the feeling is mutual, you're the most insufferable person on this site.

What could be more irritating than some 14k-a-year, social justice loser from Australia who is so bereft of activities that he has an odd fascination with US politics.

Maybe you should get a 2nd job with all the idle time you spend on here and the HuffPost website.

You live in fucking chile cunt. So you accusing me of having some fascination with US politics also applies to you. But then again your rich mummy and daddy probably paid for all your trips around the world because they can't stand what a pathetic cumstain of a son they have.

And I study full time and work four days a week and that still allows me to have time to just laugh at pathetic cunts like you.

It's so funny, you post on this site just as much, if not more than I do. Probably still unemployed and living off benefits but you're so insecure you don't want anyone to know. Seriously, do you even post on the ski gabber side of NS? Or are you just a pathetic shitposter that got kicked out of 4chan? But please continue posting, I love laughing at you

 

[Huck_Norris]

It's also disingenuous to say that a man who has built various multi-billion dollar businesses would be unaware of the fundamentals of business and accounting....

... One could also say that Bernie's millenial "free-stuff" supporters are equally ignorant of economics and blue-collar working class men and women at Trump rallies. The difference is the blue-collar folks actually work and pay income tax.

These two paragraphs alone tells anybody watching just how fucking out there you really are.

Stop referring to Trump's money as a product of his doing. Instead of saying "how much money he has", it would be more accurate to refer to it as "how much he has left". He has shuttered more businesses than he's made successful, and literally would be more than twice as wealthy if he had just retired when he received his inheritance. Guys like Cuban started with nothing- There's a huge fucking difference and don't put them on the same level. They aren't. So to answer your question, yes you WOULD think after tanking a baker's dozen he would stop making shitty companies but Trump is a real Pro when it comes to going belly up. Why stop when you're so good at something? Lol... Maybe he's the Chapter 11 Van Gogh or something!

And the second one, holy fuck... I can't even imagine the planet you'd have to live on, and the seclusion of the rock you love under on said planet to think Bernie has no appeal to blue collar workers. Do you not know he is endorsed by almost every single major worker's advocacy group and labor union in the country? Lol. Just... Lol.

In closing and to answer your original question, I'd be all for nailing down the corporate tax rate but I find it hilarious that you just fucking shot the hole in your own argument with your very next breath- you say these big companies effectively pay 0% and that they need to pay more... But then you say they're paying too much and we're losing businesses abroad because the current rate is too high. Which the fuck is it, seriously?

Actually nevermind. This is my fault for even posting, I should have never even said anything. You'll apply whatever logic you feel like and ignore whatever doesn't support that opinion and will definitely just think I'm a dick. Soooooooo yeah, enjoy believing no Bernie voter has a job, Trump University is a prestigious educational establishment and companies are just playing global tax musical chairs waiting for 'Ol Donnie to stop the music you fucking mouth breathing dogfucker haha PEACE

 

[RudyGarmisch]

Trump is a genius salesman. Hes seen an exploit available by exploiting and dividing the republican party because of the predictable manner in which our politicians get elected and hes fleeced half the nation. The republican party reared their own monster and this is what you get. And the democrats are so divided and weak that honestly, either candidate they elect is going to lose half the country. This is what we get when politicians polarize the country so badly.

Fuck this, mulligan.

 

[Campeador]

These two paragraphs alone tells anybody watching just how fucking out there you really are.

Stop referring to Trump's money as a product of his doing. Instead of saying "how much money he has", it would be more accurate to refer to it as "how much he has left". He has shuttered more businesses than he's made successful, and literally would be more than twice as wealthy if he had just retired when he received his inheritance. Guys like Cuban started with nothing- There's a huge fucking difference and don't put them on the same level. They aren't. So to answer your question, yes you WOULD think after tanking a baker's dozen he would stop making shitty companies but Trump is a real Pro when it comes to going belly up. Why stop when you're so good at something? Lol... Maybe he's the Chapter 11 Van Gogh or something!

And the second one, holy fuck... I can't even imagine the planet you'd have to live on, and the seclusion of the rock you love under on said planet to think Bernie has no appeal to blue collar workers. Do you not know he is endorsed by almost every single major worker's advocacy group and labor union in the country? Lol. Just... Lol.

In closing and to answer your original question, I'd be all for nailing down the corporate tax rate but I find it hilarious that you just fucking shot the hole in your own argument with your very next breath- you say these big companies effectively pay 0% and that they need to pay more... But then you say they're paying too much and we're losing businesses abroad because the current rate is too high. Which the fuck is it, seriously?

Actually nevermind. This is my fault for even posting, I should have never even said anything. You'll apply whatever logic you feel like and ignore whatever doesn't support that opinion and will definitely just think I'm a dick. Soooooooo yeah, enjoy believing no Bernie voter has a job, Trump University is a prestigious educational establishment and companies are just playing global tax musical chairs waiting for 'Ol Donnie to stop the music you fucking mouth breathing dogfucker haha PEACE

Hahaha, I was civil with you, but you've turned out to be such a petulant piece of shit. If I recall, haven't you said that you do not even have a 4-year college degree? Trump University would be a step up for you. I mean it definitely couldn't hurt, given your piss poor sentence structure.

You say a bunch of nonsense with absolutely nothing to back it up. He's shuttered more businesses than he has opened? Dear Lord. His net worth alone is at a minimum of four billion dollars (as filed with the FEC), probably a bit more, and he owns some of the most prime real estate in the world. Of all of his companies, only four have gone bankrupt in very difficult markets (with some not even under his direction), it happens all the time and he's thrived through the ups and downs.

Trump has more appeal to blue collar workers (especially white blue collar workers) than Bernie does, this is obvious to anyone. Sorry, but you leftover Occupy losers don't sit well with most people.

You obviously can't read for shit either, I said certain companies are taking advantage of the tax code. I also clearly stated that the US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world, which is why companies skirt around it. If the rate is more on par with the rest of the world, companies won't need to do creative accounting. Should be easy to understand, even for someone like you.

But feel free to continue to state my viewpoints for me, if that is easier for you to digest (like whatever powdered "jizz" Bernie is shoving down your throat, real classy references there, chief).

You're a loser who attempts to create a "cool" persona on the internet to compensate for your sad, pathetic life.

Get used to saying President Trump.

 

[Campeador]

You live in fucking chile cunt. So you accusing me of having some fascination with US politics also applies to you. But then again your rich mummy and daddy probably paid for all your trips around the world because they can't stand what a pathetic cumstain of a son they have.

And I study full time and work four days a week and that still allows me to have time to just laugh at pathetic cunts like you.

It's so funny, you post on this site just as much, if not more than I do. Probably still unemployed and living off benefits but you're so insecure you don't want anyone to know. Seriously, do you even post on the ski gabber side of NS? Or are you just a pathetic shitposter that got kicked out of 4chan? But please continue posting, I love laughing at you

Poor you, you're just grasping at whatever straws you think you're reaching for. I've never shared with you where I reside, nor do I plan to (I'll let you keep trying to guess). I'll tell you this though, I am a US citizen, and you are not.

Unfortunately, sociology, poli sci, and ethnic studies degrees aren't worth anything to employers, so get used to that 14k-a-year job (if you even manage to hold on to that).

 

[S.J.W]

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Get used to saying President Trump.

Trump isn't going to be president. He has no support from the republican party apart from that fatfuck from NJ and that pornstar look alike.

And with Trump doing so well in the primaries, around 65% of tea party supporters participate in primaries and caucuses. Compared to just 40% of regular republicans. So Trump and Cruz have a natural numerical advantage that skews just how much republican voters like them.

Also don't forget in the latest national poll, both Clinton and Sanders beat Trump. Get use to saying President Clinton 2.0. I know how much you'll fucking hate your life for the next 8 years. And it's going to be glorious to watch you republicunts lose your shit and complain. It's going to be so entertaining. Hopefully you'll stay in that shithole socialist country of Chile and continue to live on unemplyoment benefits.

 

[Campeador]

Trump isn't going to be president. He has no support from the republican party apart from that fatfuck from NJ and that pornstar look alike.

And with Trump doing so well in the primaries, around 65% of tea party supporters participate in primaries and caucuses. Compared to just 40% of regular republicans. So Trump and Cruz have a natural numerical advantage that skews just how much republican voters like them.

Also don't forget in the latest national poll, both Clinton and Sanders beat Trump. Get use to saying President Clinton 2.0. I know how much you'll fucking hate your life for the next 8 years. And it's going to be glorious to watch you republicunts lose your shit and complain. It's going to be so entertaining. Hopefully you'll stay in that shithole socialist country of Chile and continue to live on unemplyoment benefits.

Keep on dreaming you communist loser.

 

[S.J.W]

Poor you, you're just grasping at whatever straws you think you're reaching for. I've never shared with you where I reside, nor do I plan to (I'll let you keep trying to guess). I'll tell you this though, I am a US citizen, and you are not.

Unfortunately, sociology, poli sci, and ethnic studies degrees aren't worth anything to employers, so get used to that 14k-a-year job (if you even manage to hold on to that).

Pot calling the kettle back? You love your strawman fallacies. Probably because you have no actual human interaction in your life so you love stroking your dick to your pathetic online persona. And we all know you live in Chile. I saw you in another thread defending that shithole of a country and claiming how well your life is.

And I'm glad I'm not a US citizen. The only thing the US is number one is incarceration rates, gun deaths, being divided on every important issue, 30% of your citizens are obese fucks, you have the highest divorce rate, you have the most reported rapes, you have the highest rate of pharmaceutical drug use, 33 million americans unemployed, and off course that wealth inequality gap. Yeah I'm glad I'm not a US citizen. You must be so proud of everything the US does.

But I'm actually studying commerce with a minor in criminology. And at the end of my degree I would have racked up around 5 grand worth of debt. Fuck I hate my socialist country giving me the best education in the world for only 5 grand.

But it's so funny to see you say I don't make shit. I'm at university you fuckstick, making money isn't exactly my number one priority. And if I wasn't at university I could easily make around 66k a year just working full time at my local bar.

 

[S.J.W]

Keep on dreaming you communist loser.

Okay how about a little bet??? If Trump wins I'll leave NS forever. If Hillary wins you leave NS forever???

 

[7springsprod]

I can't wait for this election to be over and regardless of whoever gets elected nothing changes in the next decade

 

[Campeador]

Okay how about a little bet??? If Trump wins I'll leave NS forever. If Hillary wins you leave NS forever???

That doesn't sound too bad, but I don't believe you'd follow through. At best you'd reemerge like some kind of cockroach under a new username.

But to be perfectly honest, no, I won't take that bet. This site would be so boring without folks like you. You're a part of NS whether I like you or not.

 

[S.J.W]

That doesn't sound too bad, but I don't believe you'd follow through. At best you'd reemerge like some kind of cockroach under a new username.

But to be perfectly honest, no, I won't take that bet. This site would be so boring without folks like you. You're a part of NS whether I like you or not.

Nope, just get one of the mods to do an IP ban meaning I can't create a new account unless I move. Which I'm not. Put your money where your mouth is, looks like you're not confident enough to back Trump. Pussy.

 

[Campeador]

Pot calling the kettle back? You love your strawman fallacies.

Look, if you want to play the strawman game, I'm happy to play along as well. It's not my preferred modus operandi, but whatever.

It is rather ironic though that someone as neck-deep in Marxian philosophy as yourself would be majoring in business, it's an interesting combination, maybe you're more of a capitalist than you let on.

 

[S.J.W]

Look, if you want to play the strawman game, I'm happy to play along as well. It's not my preferred modus operandi, but whatever.

It is rather ironic though that someone as neck-deep in Marxian philosophy as yourself would be majoring in business, it's an interesting combination, maybe you're more of a capitalist than you let on.

Let's get one thing straight. A socialist democrat believes in a capitalist society, however they also believe that the government can do a better job at some things than the free market. For example, I believe in a single payer health care system and legislation like the glass stegal act. But other than common sense legislation I believe the government should stay out of the free market, that includes protection. Looking at you Mr Trump thinking tarrifs are a good idea. If you can't distinguish between a socialist democrat and a socialists state then you are being willfully ignorant.

 

[Campeador]

Nope, just get one of the mods to do an IP ban meaning I can't create a new account unless I move. Which I'm not. Put your money where your mouth is, looks like you're not confident enough to back Trump. Pussy.

Those IP bans are easy to get around.

Like I said, even if I won, I wouldn't want you leave, it's kind of a lose-lose deal for me.

I'm old, I don't care as much about being on NS as you think, it was fun for me ten years ago. Honestly, its mostly a bit of online boredom when I'm working on projects for work that leads me back here. Without folks like you it wouldn't be worth it, I mean that sincerely despite all my insults.

How can I test what I believe without an impassioned true-believer like you on the other side arguing the opposite point? Everyone is so sensitive nowadays, it's good to have debates likes these (even with a few insults thrown in) about current events and politics.

 

[S.J.W]

Those IP bans are easy to get around.

Like I said, even if I won, I wouldn't want you leave, it's kind of a lose-lose deal for me.

I'm old, I don't care as much about being on NS as you think, it was fun for me ten years ago. Honestly, its mostly a bit of online boredom when I'm working on projects for work that leads me back here. Without folks like you it wouldn't be worth it, I mean that sincerely despite all my insults.

How can I test what I believe without an impassioned true-believer like you on the other side arguing the opposite point? Everyone is so sensitive nowadays, it's good to have debates likes these (even with a few insults thrown in) about current events and politics.

 

[Campeador]

Let's get one thing straight. A socialist democrat believes in a capitalist society, however they also believe that the government can do a better job at some things than the free market. For example, I believe in a single payer health care system and legislation like the glass stegal act. But other than common sense legislation I believe the government should stay out of the free market, that includes protection. Looking at you Mr Trump thinking tarrifs are a good idea.

Ok, I follow you here and am with you on Glass-Steagall.

However, how do you feel about tariffs that correct for blatant currency manipulation? Also, China puts high tariffs on US goods, why is it wrong to return in kind?

Working class people in the US are getting decimated thanks to these horrible trade conditions.

If not a tariff, what solution do you propose?

 

[S.J.W]

Ok, I follow you here and am with you on Glass-Steagall.

However, how do you feel about tariffs that correct for blatant currency manipulation? Also, China puts high tariffs on US goods, why is it wrong to return in kind?

Working class people in the US are getting decimated thanks to these horrible trade conditions.

If not a tariff, what solution do you propose?

Protection is only going to result in higher prices for the American consumer. For the economically challenged it's a great idea. For everyone who passed year 9 economics, not so much.

First world manufacturing jobs are pathetic. There is no reason any government should continue to protect that dying industry. If a company can't survive in the country it wishes to operate within it should not exist.

The problem is H1B visas. That's taking away skilled workers from hard working Americans, for the sake of cheap labor. They should not exist. If you want to work in America, then you should either have an immigrant visa or be a citizen. Not this H1B bullshit. When I got my work visa for Canada, I was still paid the exact same amount as a canadian citizen would be paid.

But let's get one thing straight, there are currently 300,000 skilled jobs that need filling that can't be filled because of a lack of skilled workers. So is the issue a lack of jobs or a lack of skilled workers?

 

[000000000000]

Okay how about a little bet??? If Trump wins I'll leave NS forever. If Hillary wins you leave NS forever???

That will be the only positive outcome if Trump wins.

 

[Campeador]

Protection is only going to result in higher prices for the American consumer. For the economically challenged it's a great idea. For everyone who passed year 9 economics, not so much.

First world manufacturing jobs are pathetic. There is no reason any government should continue to protect that dying industry. If a company can't survive in the country it wishes to operate within it should not exist.

The problem is H1B visas. That's taking away skilled workers from hard working Americans, for the sake of cheap labor. They should not exist. If you want to work in America, then you should either have an immigrant visa or be a citizen. Not this H1B bullshit. When I got my work visa for Canada, I was still paid the exact same amount as a canadian citizen would be paid.

But let's get one thing straight, there are currently 300,000 skilled jobs that need filling that can't be filled because of a lack of skilled workers. So is the issue a lack of jobs or a lack of skilled workers?

Sure, I agree 100% on H1B visas.

However, you didn't answer my question about implementing certain trade controls, like tariffs, when one country is blatantly tipping the scales of trade heavily in its favor using laws and monetary manipulation.

Why should the U.S. allow China to continue to place 25% tariffs on U.S. goods, while we have essentially none? And why should the U.S. not react using trade controls when China is blatantly manipulating the yuan to make it impossible for U.S. companies to compete?

I don't agree with protectionism, but how do you propose the U.S. combat what China is doing if tariffs (or the threat of tariffs) are not an option?

 

[S.J.W]

Sure, I agree 100% on H1B visas.

However, you didn't answer my question about implementing certain trade controls, like tariffs, when one country is blatantly tipping the scales of trade heavily in its favor using laws and monetary manipulation.

Why should the U.S. allow China to continue to place 25% tariffs on U.S. goods, while we have essentially none? And why should the U.S. not react using trade controls when China is blatantly manipulating the yuan to make it impossible for U.S. companies to compete?

I don't agree with protectionism, but how do you propose the U.S. combat what China is doing if tariffs (or the threat of tariffs) are not an option?

China can do what they want. I really don't care about them. If they want to make products expensive for their general population they can. That's not my problem. And if companies want to export to China, then they have to pay the tariffs. There is no real way to compete with China without making product more expensive for yourself.And considering the US has the largest trade deficit out of any developed nation at 42 billion tariffs are a terrible idea.

One idea is providing subsidies for companies to innovate to create new technology for cheaper labour. That's what the Australian government is currently doing, they are providing monetary assistance for innovation in products. Is it working? Well, no one knows they only started doing it.

 

[.otto.]

This election is going to come down to Trump vs Hillary. If you think that Hillary will run the country better then Trump (considering her track record) then good riddance. Im not saying Trump is going to make a great president, but hes the lesser of two evils.

This happens literally every fucking election cycle "hurr durr if Obama wins im leaving the country!" "If Romney wins Im going to Canada!" "Theres no way Bush will be reelected, if he is, Im on the first flight out!"

If you honestly think that a president can singlehandedly fuck the country up badly enough to justify moving away, you shouldnt even be voting. The best part is, almost all the people that say that shit dont have enough money saved up to buy an international flight and obtain new citizenship.

Stop circle jerking. I was never a fan of Trump, but the last couple months of berniebots posting on facebook and other social media sites have caused me to think differently about him just because liberal tears are so damn sweet.

how in the world would hillary be worse than drumfpfs

 

[ImNotARacist]

I can't wait for this election to be over and regardless of whoever gets elected nothing changes in the next decade

what a large bag of knowledge you have there.....

 

[KravtZ]

I have been a Trump supporter most of this election process and still support him.

That being said KASICH was easily the best one at the debate by a long shot. Its a shame he doesn't get much media coverage. I think he would be very very suited to run for president.

 

[270on420out]

That being said KASICH was easily the best one at the debate by a long shot. Its a shame he doesn't get much media coverage. I think he would be very very suited to run for president.

If he doesn't win, he could have a very promising career in sock puppetry

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

Look, if you want to play the strawman game, I'm happy to play along as well. It's not my preferred modus operandi, but whatever.

It is rather ironic though that someone as neck-deep in Marxian philosophy as yourself would be majoring in business, it's an interesting combination, maybe you're more of a capitalist than you let on.

There's more than one business major in here that likes Bernie.

I think more than anything the real reason I want Bernie in office is to get money out of the White House and give the government some control over these cspitalists who have made stupid money scamming the middle class time and time again. The more I learn the more Im disgusted with how out of control the capitalistic system has become. But it can still work with the right balance. Im just hoping one day we as a country find it because we certainly aren't there now.

 

[ImNotARacist]

I have been a Trump supporter most of this election process and still support him.

How stupid are you?

 

[ImNotARacist]

If you support Trump, you support the devil, and I mean that.

 

[CabbyArrant]

are there any Americans who would actually consider leaving your country if he wins?

will anyone's life actually change or is everyone just complaining for no reason.

either way, sucks to suck. your field of candidates is pretty terrible.

If he wins I'm transferring to university of Calgary

 

[KRAMPUSNTROLLZ]

I plan on moving to Switzerland in the next five years, but if Trump somehow wins the general election I will try to get my ass there asap.

 

[Campeador]

China can do what they want. I really don't care about them. If they want to make products expensive for their general population they can. That's not my problem. And if companies want to export to China, then they have to pay the tariffs. There is no real way to compete with China without making product more expensive for yourself.And considering the US has the largest trade deficit out of any developed nation at 42 billion tariffs are a terrible idea.

One idea is providing subsidies for companies to innovate to create new technology for cheaper labour. That's what the Australian government is currently doing, they are providing monetary assistance for innovation in products. Is it working? Well, no one knows they only started doing it.

In practice, government subsidies for companies have a very similar overall effect to tariffs. It increase the ability of a domestic firm to compete, in similar ways to a tariff. However, instead of paying a higher price for consumer goods, to pay for the tariff, lets remember this revenue goes to the treasury, it's essentially an additional tax paid by foreign producers and domestic consumers. In the same way, a subsidy for a company takes from the taxpayer treasury, so it's just a different form of taxation for a similar outcome.

And sure, products would be more expensive from China, there is no denying that. But let's face it, China floods our shores with garbage destined for places like Wal-Mart, with profits that go directly to people like the Waltons' pocketbooks.

Maybe I'm an idealist, but I buy "Made in the USA" whenever possible (except cars, I like Toyota trucks), even if it costs more because I know that the quality 19 times out of 20 will be better. One of the things that made America great was our ability to make awesome products by a skilled workforce that were afforded decent working-class jobs.

Why do you think all the new wealth is being funneled to the top 1%? It's because of lopsided trade deals, and government subsidization of the investor class through QE.

 

[onenerdykid]

Maybe I'm an idealist, but I buy "Made in the USA" whenever possible (except cars, I like Toyota trucks), even if it costs more because I know that the quality 19 times out of 20 will be better. One of the things that made America great was our ability to make awesome products by a skilled workforce that were afforded decent working-class jobs.

Toyota actually has a good deal of their cars & trucks made in the USA. There is a facility in Texas that produces and assembles Tundras and Tacomas.

 

[iH8pow]

I like to be an obnoxious flag waving American wrapped in a flag chanting "USA"...

The abundance of shootings we have are one thing.

It is all summarized by this campaign.

America is full of terrible people.

We are so wrapped up in valuing entertainment that hey, why should it stop at TV?

I really think people here want World War 3, and I think the odds of impending doomsday increases 5x with Trump being elected.

Hillary is a dumb treasonous bitch. We bitch all day long about how politicians have all these special privileges, the rules don't apply to them.... yet Americans are so eager to elect people that are exactly that.

Seriously.

Terrible. Fucking. People.

 

[Campeador]

Toyota actually has a good deal of their cars & trucks made in the USA. There is a facility in Texas that produces and assembles Tundras and Tacomas.

Definitely, and this is why I have no problem supporting Toyota, I made a mistake there, I meant US companies that produce in the US, my Toyota truck is made in the US as well.

Hell, Toyota will end up being more American than Ford or Chevy the way things are going.

 

[Spagett+]

EL OH EL what a funny tweet.

jk america is superior no matter what. But it can always be better.

#MAGA