If Trump wins
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rememberscott
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if trump wins either America is going to be great again or were heading into WW3.
S.J.W
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13644736:Peter. said:
That's literally politics in a nutshell. You will have democrats following democrats, Trump fans following Trump, Sanders supporters following Sanders. If you're shocked at how much a circle jerk politics is then you're most likely 18 and this is your first election you're following.
onenerdykid
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13644403:Phil-X- said:
If Hillary is elected POTUS, then we would basically have another Obama in office. I don't see any reason to expect that she wouldn't be a continuation of Obama. Not fantastic, but not nearly as bad as Bush (who ranks as one of the all-time worst presidents on record). Electing Hillary would be a continuation of a fairly ok thing.
If Trump is elected POTUS, then I think we have a lot of to be concerned about. Trump is a loose cannon, definitely guided by his emotions, rather than reason & evidence. He literally changes his mind from one week to the next about certain issues for no reason whatsoever. He's really like an emotional, powerful child that has one of the worst fact-check records of any candidate. He actually doesn't tell it like it is and lies far more than Hillary. Plus, people's argument that he is the best option for POTUS because he is unfiltered, non-establishment, self-funded, etc. is a non-starter because we have that same thing with Bernie. If people are truly concerned about that and think that is what ultimately matters, then there is just as much reason to vote for Trump as there is for Bernie.
Ultimately, there is way more risk with Trump becoming POTUS rather than Hillary. Hillary is by FAR not the ideal president but she won't erode women's rights or voting rights. She won't promote discrimination. She will basically continue with what Obama has set in motion. If Trump is elected, there will most likely be a continual setback in women's rights & voting rights, a huge increase in racial/gay/religious discrimination, and who knows what will happen in regards to foreign relations. To say that Trump is the lesser of two evils in regards to Hillary is not founded on what we are seeing in the day-to-day political landscape.
Charlie_Kelly
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13644828:KravtZ said:
Yes it can. And id say last 16.
13644844:VinnieF said:
Not for me personally...but its quite obvious the US recovery has been much worse than this administration has touted. Not to mention the horrific policies put forth in terms of international relations, obamacare (which is a mathmatical failure), etc
corona
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13644858:KravtZ said:
compared to many other G20 nations the US is doing quite well right now. Obviously not 1950s prosperity, but still, fairly good on the global scale.
Honestly, I wouldn't be complaining too much. the last 8 years were no worse than the 8 before and will be no worse than the following 8.
Charlie_Kelly
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13644858:KravtZ said:
But was Obama really worse than Bush? The country seems to being doing better than the 2000-2008 era.
Obamacare sucks. It was rushed. You cant change an entire system as quickly as they tried. But at least all Americans are now covered. At least their coverage cant be dropped or they cant be denied for the excessive list of preexisting conditions (like diabetes wtf...) At least nearly 50 million Americans can now recieve healthcare they used to be unable to afford. Including many of the 9/11 first responders (still alive) that were get next to nothing for healthcare in the wake of 9/11. The system needs to be fixed and refined, but the foundation has already been laid.
ImNotARacist
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13644887:Granite_State said:
If you don't pay for it you get a fine. Many many people's deductibles rose a huge amount. Obamacare basically takes the people who pay taxes/into the system and gives to those who dont. Most people aren't doing it since they have employer insurance. Its a massive massive failure. Mathmatically its a massive failure. It cannot last. Obama is one of the worst presidents in modern US history. Much worse than Bush. Its funny how most people seem to forget so easily how a ton of people wanted to go to war after 9/11. Bush was much better than the media portrays him. Not to mention Obama has been here for TWO terms now. Bush is in the past.
Davin
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I honestly believe if he wins he won't be as extreme as he claims. To be able to gain the kind of power to run for president and be a front runner you have to be smart. You need something unique.
How did the kardasians get famous? Doing absolutely stupid shit. America glorifies stupid shit and that creates fame.
I believe trump understands this and is basing his campaign on getting everyone to talk about him. It's worked so far
How did the kardasians get famous? Doing absolutely stupid shit. America glorifies stupid shit and that creates fame.
I believe trump understands this and is basing his campaign on getting everyone to talk about him. It's worked so far
Charlie_Kelly
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13644925:KravtZ said:
Agree to disagree then. Bush was a god aweful president. His approval rating was one of the lowest all time. He got us into two wars and when the majority of Americans wanted out he refused to even consider a plan to leave. He handled Iraq terribly. He handled Katrina terribly. Unemployment was on the rise for more than half his presidency. He took an insane amount of vacation, especially early on when intel on possible terrorist attacks flooded in. He swindled his way into the presidency. He was a moron who could barely get through a speech without a fuck up. Ill debate you all day on who was a worse president.
onenerdykid
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13644925:KravtZ said:
Statistically speaking, this article puts Obama at about 17th when ranking all Presidents of the USA; George W. Bush ranks 38th. While it is an article from 2013, it doesn't change the ranking of Presidents prior to Obama. What will be interesting to see is where Obama ends up once his presidency is completely over. Given his success with the bank bailout, the US auto industry revamp, decreasing the unemployment rate, being the President who ordered the kill on Bin Laden, ending discrimination of gays in the military, legalized gay marriage, avoiding a scandal, etc. I have a difficult time believing that he would end up ranking worse than G.W. Bush. I don't think he is a great President, but he most likely will end up ranking as a better-than-average President, which cannot be said for G.W. Bush.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/23/contemplating-obamas-place-in-history-statistically/?_r=2
Charlie_Kelly
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13644991:KravtZ said:
Haha I guess thats what happens when you invade the country and overthrow the dictator that was helping keep groups like this at bay/from forming.
Not to mention the Bush administration had absolutely no plan for occupation...
Logey.
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13644425:S.J.W said:
Is it really that bad? 0 taxes for anyone that makes under $20,000 dollars? And virtually everyone else pays a flat 25%? Also he would fix this ridiculous corporate tax that america seems to somehow justify. I always lawl when Bernie says that he is going to force corporate america to pay the 35% tax rate, its about as feasible as trump building a 50 foot tall 1000 mile wall at the border. We need a president that will bring money back into this country. Whether that is a republican fixing our trade deficits and bringing back businesses, or a president that will fix our deteriorating higher education system, something has to happen. Also, fuck Hilary.
Peter.
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13644762:S.J.W said:
i'm understand this. i was just trying to point out that it works both ways. people blindly follow bernie just as much as they blindly follow trump. that's all i was trying to say. good lord, i swear you just sit at home and refresh these threads waiting to pounce on anyone who posts in them
rememberscott
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13645001:onenerdykid said:
you're actually giving Obama credit for getting rid of Bin Laden? hah
S.J.W
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13645025:Logey. said:
A flat tax rate works fine in theory, just like communism. However pretty much every economist will agree that a progressive tax rate is the best. It's just hard to argue how much is too much. Now Trumps tax plan is terrible, not because it's a flat tax, but because it's terrible. I suggest you read this analysis of Trumps tax plan. Now, if he some how starts cutting areas then it could work, but as many other economists have predicted, this tax plan will only widen the wealth gap between the rich and the poor.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/2000560-an-analysis-of-donald-trumps-tax-plan.pdf
And as far as bringing business back into the country. The only jobs that are being offshored are entry level, no skill needed manufacturing jobs. So if you want your car, tv, whatever to cost more then sure go ahead and vote for whoever wants to put up tariffs again on trade.
And as far as Bernie not being able to achieve closing tax loopholes. It's very achievable, many other countries have closed tax loop holes. It just takes time and smart people.
ImNotARacist
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If Trump wins, my 75 year old grandmother has told me she will be moving to Whistler
Charlie_Kelly
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13645119:HP123 said:
At least he wasnt friends with the Bin Ladens like the Bush family...
tightlines
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Google said that the highest search was "How to move to canada" after the results of super tuesday.
.MASSHOLE.
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13645189:Granite_State said:
The Bin Ladens are a massive family..come on now. Lets make sure we are accurate here. They are/were a very wealthy family in an "allied" country with a massive oil company that has connections with the Royal Family. It was very likely the families would cross at some point in time.
GayWolf420
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just gonna go skiing cuz thats all their is left to do. Its clear this country doesnt want change nor to improve it for current and future generations so why bother trying? Its just a shit slinging name calling fest if you try and hold some sort of civil, intelligent discussion to try and make compromises.
Also killing all the baby boomers would help too. Nothing like the generation that did royally fuck everything up telling youngsters "how it should be".
its all fucked and i just have no ambition to be a part of a broken corrupt coporate system that oppresses everyone and only benefits the rich. Ill vote and participate but it will be lackluster knowing it doesnt mean diddly fuckin squat.
Also killing all the baby boomers would help too. Nothing like the generation that did royally fuck everything up telling youngsters "how it should be".
its all fucked and i just have no ambition to be a part of a broken corrupt coporate system that oppresses everyone and only benefits the rich. Ill vote and participate but it will be lackluster knowing it doesnt mean diddly fuckin squat.
Charlie_Kelly
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13645225:.MASSHOLE. said:
24 of them were allowed to leave the country two days after 9/11 when no other flights were allowed in the sky less the military. I understand Osama was the outcast of the family but to let 24 members leave without questioning them was a very interesting call.
They had obvious ties with the Saudi's Im not denying that. The Bushes knew oil and I think thats a main reason we ended up in the middle east twice under both of them.
.MASSHOLE.
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13645318:Granite_State said:
Id like to think it was for personal safety reasons. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in the US with a name like Bin Laden after the attacks. Money can buy a lot, especially if you know a diplomat or King. Still it is not a great look. All we can do is speculate why though.
I don't think we went to Afghanistan for oil (I don't think there is any there either, but I may be wrong) but there certainly is a lot of evidence pointing towards our Iraq invasion as being oil-motivated.
Charlie_Kelly
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13645326:.MASSHOLE. said:
No oil, they wanted to run a pipeline through the country. Ill try to track down the source I heard it from.
The Bushes were very shady.
Campeador
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13645343:S.J.W said:
That is because you are a moron, the similarities in both plans are obvious.
Trump will be just fine, he definitely can't be any worse than the Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer we've got now.
I have high hopes for his relationship with Putin. Russia is a natural ally against Islam.
And lastly, not reporting Muslims raping little girls and committing crimes is not isolated to Australian detention centers, Germany and the rest of Western Europe have gotten pretty good at it too.
S.J.W
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13645354:Campeador said:
You've got no idea about Australia and you should really stop talking and do a little bit of research.
For one, Australia does accept about 13,000 asylum seekers a year. The video you posted is nothing but a scare tactic for boat people.
And Trump loves Muslims. Did you miss the part where he said he loves muslims? Trump is nothing but an islamic sympathizer. He might as well just join ISIS he seems to love them so much.
Also the majority of asylum seekers on christmas Island and Manus Island aren't muslim. They're hindu and buddhist. Only about 20% of asylum seekers are muslim in detention centres. And the law applies to officials raping and hurting the asylum seekers. Not the asylum seekers raping other asylum seekers. Fucking hell. You know nothing. You're just a little paranoid idiot.
Campeador
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13645367:S.J.W said:
I digress, you're right. It's more difficult for them to rape each other when they're all men.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-34773875
Just wonderful, salt of the Earth people you've got coming in. A riot after one Muslim killed another Muslim, surprise surprise.
By the way, if you make claims on demographic statistics, you should back those claims up.
Logey.
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13645175:S.J.W said:
I mean we can go around and pick reputable sources that prove our points all day,http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan, but both plans seem to benefit the lower class in some way. The difference is that Bernie's plan puts more of a burden on the middle and upper class, whereas Trumps plan will keep it equal all of the way through.
Also, if Bernie tried to actually push the business tax onto the businesses that are using holding companies to evade it, they would just move their actual corporation to a different country. 39% is absurd, even in the most democratic/socialist society. It deters people from starting small businesses and discourages anyone making profits. You can't just say that smart people will make businesses start paying because they are smart.
I had a mild chuckle at this line, "So if you want your car, tv, whatever to cost more then sure go ahead and vote for whoever wants to put up tariffs again on trade", because if we look at any socialist country in Europe, which all of very similar plans that Bernie imposes, you would see that the cost of the commodities that you listed are all about 1.5x the amount it costs here in america.
S.J.W
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13645388:Campeador said:
My god you are an idiot. That article said the Iranian men protested the death of their fellow inmate. It did not say they started the riot. Did you also miss the part where the humans right director raised concerns over conditions at Manus Island? Yeah, fuck those people who just want to better their life. Let's throw them in conditions worse than any prison in Australia.
You also may wish to read some statistics about asylum seekers. Like how many of them are granted are citizenship. I know you'll probably cry thinking Australia is under some Islamic invasion.
http://www.asrc.org.au/resources/statistics/detention-and-refugee-statistics/
And you asked where I got my 20% number from.
http://johnmenadue.com/blog/?p=353
Now I know you're going to point out that 42% number, but keep in mind we're talking about boat people here that come from places like Indonesia, and countries around that region. And not the mass migrant crisis we are currently seeing that skew those numbers.
But did you miss the part where a guard can rape an inmate and get away with it? Oh no, let's not care about that because he's white. Or if a guard reports how horrible the conditions are he can be jailed. Yeah let's not care about that. You are such an insufferable human being. Go live in a camp for a over a year and see how you react. And just one last nail in the coffin, no refugees are not committing crime like some fuckwits like yourself like to claim.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-26/davidsonrefugee/2732220