its true, its had a bad rap, but panny has got its shit together and is getting so much bitrate out of the AVCHD format now. yes, it can be a problem for certain editing suites, but more and more of them are hopping on baord. FCP, CS3 and CS4 and the new Vegas can all deal with it. if not, its not too hard to convert using something like toast. yeah, the hpx170 would be sweet, but i cant afford that, or the p2s, furthermore, the hmc produces a better 720 image than the hpx, while the opposite is true at 1080. i would need to rob 2 banks and NASA in order to have the computing power to deal with hpx footy at 1080. dont fear the asian! haha!