Hunting

you speakk the truth.

i didnt kill anything this weekend but i still had one of the best times in a while i dont just base it off what i kill
 
DrDerek failed so ill counter your weak ass points.

"While you may that think that method isn't humane, hell even I don't sometimes, it's still all the animal has ever known"

so, what youre saying is that its cool for a cow to grow to maturity in a shitty ass environment getting pumped full of hormones and being fed god know what just to be shot in the head anyways as long as "it's still all the animal has ever known"

and you also went as far as to say

"killing an animal just minding his own business worried about his actual predators. Like a bear or some other animal higher on the food chain. Not some mind-blowing metal lightening bolt searing through his heart at any moment of the day."

so, youre totally againt a wildlife animal living out its life in the wilderness eating only what is natural and being free untill it is killed so fast it never even knows what hit it? its not like being shot is even a bad way to go as far as a deer is concerned. they could be shot and die in 5 seconds or be ripped apart by wolves and lay there as they are being eaten.

and yes, there is an adrenaline rush when you shoot a deer, but thats not why people hunt. If deer werent edible, people would not hunt them. you can pull this bullshit "oh you just look for the adrenaline rush and use the meat as an excuse" but youre entirely wrong. its the complete opposite. we hunt for the meat, the rush is just a side effect that happens when you kill something.

so enjoy your synthetic inhumanely raised beef, i dont give a fuck what you do, just dont fucking try to tell me off on something you have absolutely no understanding of whatsoever.

good day sir.
 
I really can't agree with this. It happens, its usually poor farmers and ranchers though, definitely not most hunters.

Consider the costs of hunting, you need a rifle, ammunition, hunting license, a reliable vehicle, fuel for that vehicle, time (opportunity cost), and for most people, they pay for someone else to process their meat.

Now figure how many hunting trips most people make,add up the cost of fuel, licenses, ammunition and put in some money for mileage on their vehicle and the cost of processing the meat if they didnt cut it up themselves. Now figure out how many pounds of meat they had at the end of the season and divide the total cost by pounds of meat. I guarantee in most people situation's it would be FAR cheaper to just buy meat from a store.
 
I went to a very conservative school in SE Indiana for my entire primary and secondary education. The majority of the kids were from rural areas who did a lot of hunting. Not once, did I ever hear someone utter the words "I can't wait for deer season so I can feed my family."

The reason I would say most people hunt is for the sport and the trophy, they just use the fact that they eat the meat as a way to cover up the real enjoyment they get out of killing another living creature.

 
Meh, I know LOTS of people who hunt for the rush or the trophy and give their meat away to friends, rescue mission, whatever. Who cares as long as the meat isn't wasted.
 
Fuck you! You ignorant fuck. Take this and smoke it. I have been elk hunting with my bow for 5 years. I have never gotten one. Yet I keep on trying. So you can't tell me its because I have some sick pleasure about killing animals. I have gotten a deer before. Sure its an adrenaline rush, that can be expected when your taking somethings life. I dont feel happy about it, infact I feel a deep sense of respect for the animal that I took, I feel bad when I take one, but then I remember that that wild animal got to live a great life. Its not that I want to watch it suffer. You are completely ignorant.

 
Just bought myself a nice hunting blind for this season,

and yeah, it bakes out real nice : )

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I get what you're trying to say, but you are a little misguided.
Yes, people do hunt for the thrill of it. It's just the same as any other outdoor activity, save for the detail that sometimes an animal dies during the process. However, you would be mistaken to think of hunting as some primitive, blood-drunk thrill (even though it may be for a select few). I haven't gone hunting for a few years now, but when I did, I would come home empty-handed the majority of the time--not because I never got a chance to shoot anything, but because I just enjoyed being around the animals and didn't feel like shooting anything that day. It really is that simple. Sure, there is definitely a big adrenaline rush when you finally do flip off the safety or nock an arrow, but that's only a small part of the experience.
Another point is that despite the fact that humans have evolved beyond the dire need to harvest animals, our other actions have made it necessary. I don't know if you are familiar with how the fish and game set up drawings for tags, so I will summarize it in a totally inadequate little nutshell. Populations of certain animals are monitored in various regions; hundreds in Montana where I am right now. Based off of the survey of overall numbers, the number of calves/fawns/etc that year, and the number of animals the area can sufficiently support (that is another topic), the department can allocate a certain number of tags for hunters in an effort to keep the population under control. This can range from hundreds of whitetail doe tags in certain areas to single moose or mountain goat tags each year. It's a population control method that has been implemented partly because hunting is an activity quite a few people enjoy, and mostly because populations need to be kept in check or the animals will have a miserable existence (generally). I don't know if you have been in an area where the sick and starving animals move down into cities in the winter because there are too many for the area to support, but it is ridiculously depressing. I have seen coyotes literally lose all their fur in february because they are so malnourished, and deer with ribs visible at 100 yards in october. That is kind of sickening to see, and would be perpetuated if human control methods ceased.
So what it basically boils down to is a system we have implemented to try and take up the slack that human enrocachment on animal habitat has caused. Is it perfect? No, but it is almost certainly better than doing nothing at all. Hunting is something that is really enjoyable and rewarding to do, and just because everyone doesn't like it doesn't demerit it entirely. You can buy your steaks at the grocery store and I won't judge you at all for it because I can totally understand why, and I hope you would do the same for me.
And since we're putting up pictures..
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i can agree with you but in my family it was never about buying all the stuff to go hunting cause we already had it, so for some people it can be more of a waste but in my case i just see it as a given.

also hunting for sport is wrong i agree but once again any respectable hunter isnt hunting for the antlersn mostly for the sport.
 
See how do people not see that as fucked up?

"Hey Bob, what'd you do today"

"Ah just killed some shit, you know"

Maybe its my background that makes me so against it, well not really considering I've been around guns and hunting my whole life. But maybe it's everyone else's background that doesn't let them see just how fucked up it is to kill another animal just because you feel like it.

And skithesprings

I read your post.

1. Not once did I ever condone giant mega-farms or the genetic altering of an animal with hormones. So you can stop putting words in my mouth. I have never had a problem finding free-range meat that is completely natural and healthy in my area.

2. I acknowledge that a bullet is a much quicker death that being eaten or any other form of death. Not once did I say shooting the animal wasn't humane. Again, you're countering arguments I never made.

3. Why do the local authorities who authorize hunting licenses find hundreds of dead animals hidden with bullet holes in just a small area like my home town every year? People hunt for the meat right?
 
The first deer I ever shot, I didn't kill on the first shot. Which means I have to track it down. It was the SADDEST feeling knowing that this animal I had tried to kill was suffering cause I fucked up.
 
way to read the thread dumbass. i just so happened to have posted this, but hey, you probably missed it becuase you were balls deep in your salad. (go ahead, tell me that statement somehow discredits my arguement because thats all you can come up with.)

take the time to read it

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DrDerek failed so ill counter your weak ass points.

"While you may that think that method isn't humane, hell even I don't sometimes, it's still all the animal has ever known"

so, what youre saying is that its cool for a cow to grow to maturity in a shitty ass environment getting pumped full of hormones and being fed god know what just to be shot in the head anyways as long as "it's still all the animal has ever known"

and you also went as far as to say

"killing an animal just minding his own business worried about his actual predators. Like a bear or some other animal higher on the food chain. Not some mind-blowing metal lightening bolt searing through his heart at any moment of the day."

so, youre totally againt a wildlife animal living out its life in the wilderness eating only what is natural and being free untill it is killed so fast it never even knows what hit it? its not like being shot is even a bad way to go as far as a deer is concerned. they could be shot and die in 5 seconds or be ripped apart by wolves and lay there as they are being eaten.

and yes, there is an adrenaline rush when you shoot a deer, but thats not why people hunt. If deer werent edible, people would not hunt them. you can pull this bullshit "oh you just look for the adrenaline rush and use the meat as an excuse" but youre entirely wrong. its the complete opposite. we hunt for the meat, the rush is just a side effect that happens when you kill something.

so enjoy your synthetic inhumanely raised beef, i dont give a fuck what you do, just dont fucking try to tell me off on something you have absolutely no understanding of whatsoever.

good day sir.
 
you cant blame some stupid kid that shoots deer or other animals for fun on all hunters thats just like saying some kid in a ny hat breaks into a car so now all people with ny hats are criminals
 
So you mean your family has had guns?

Im pretty sure you weren't born with unlimited ammunition, fuel, and hunting licenses. Also do you cut your own meat up?
 
LOLz... your making yourself look even dumber, I read the thread and your post full of weak arguments, spelling errors and other grammatical failures is a horrible representation of a hunter's side of this argument. Actually if you went back and read through the thread you would see that I actually am a hunter and support hunting.
 
not true, well yes in many cases. However, I know plenty of people that hunt with wooden bows that dont cost much. new mayby 200 (for a lower end bow) with arrows. I also know people that make their own bows and arrows. I have done this too actually. That is completely free. Now lets go back to the 200$ set up. Imagine this, You can harvest X ammount of deer for only your base price of 200$. Now think of this, 1 deer, 75lbs of meat. How much would it cost to buy 75lbs of steak at the store. (probably a shit ton of money)

Well you gotta buy tags and a license, 20$ your still saving a ton of money in the long run.

Dont get me wrong tho, hunting equipment can be hella expensive. But if you want to do it on the cheap, that can be done too. I didn't even say that you could borrow your gear.
 
Wrong again, sure a ton of people hunt for the trophy. So what.

The buck I got last year was a 1x1. Am I a trophy hunter. Lol NO.
 
A rifle is a small part of the cost of hunting.

Also, 75 pounds of deer is going to be 75 pounds of steak, roasts, hamburger, chops, etc... so comparing it to 75 pounds of steak is irrelevant.
 
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Oh and I'd like to know where you can get your licenses and tags for under $20 unless your still under 18.
 
Ya sorry my bad. How about 25 lbs of steak, 30 lbs of roasts, 20lbs of burger for example. Still very expensive.

What do you mean a rifle is a small part? I covered tags and licenses also in my reply. Last time I hunted which was yesterday, that was all I needed. Alright some thrift store camo (3$)

Sure if your going to make a trip out of it it will cost a lot. Half the people I know that hunt, leave their back porch in the morning and head in to the woods. So cost there.
 
i enjoy hunting just for the fact of getting everything ready, picking the perfect spot for your tree stand, scouting out the deer in the late summer, waking up early and headed up with the guys, watching the sun rise, the fresh smell of morning and the overall beauty of the earth. sure it might sound gay or cliche or whatever but honestly there is a lot more to hunting than meets the eye. and honestly as redneck and ignorant as it may sound, what kind of american doesn't love going out and shooting shit? it should be made a man law.
 
regarding #1, i never said you did, but thats a valid reason why people choose to hunt for wild game.

regarding #2, you inferred that an animal should be fearful of its natural predators, none of which happen to have guns, therefore, being shot is just about the best way to go as far as an animal is concerned. which brings up another point, i dont know how you feel about this and am in no way trying to "counter arguments you never made" but say perhaps a wild animal lives to its life expectancy. an animal that dies of old age in the wilderness dies one of the most painful deaths possible. this usually means starving untill it is no longer able to fend for its self when it is then mercilously eaten by whatever carnivore happens to stumble upon it. this is where the educated, intelligent hunter comes into play. hunters who are in it for more than the thrill, know to target the old, genetically infirior animals that are as useless to the population as possible. this actually strenghtens the remaining population by increasing the avalibility of essentials for whatever species you choose.

and most importantly, regarding #3, yes, there are assholes who do stupid shit and ruin things for everyone else. that could easily be one or two fucked up people who do it just for the thrill and fuck over the reputation of the entire group. honestly, would it be ok to say that just because some black individuals stole a television from my neighbors home that all black people go around stealing televisions? really, come on, did you just try to pull that?

and yes #3 needs to be in bold
 
Under 18 still. I would think Alaska, but don't bash me if I am wrong, just a guess.

Don't forget about all the things you can hunt with out tags! Plenty of birds are on that list, rabbit etc.
 
licenses=about 40 bucks give or take a fewammunition 20 buckswe (my family) usually cut it up be we dont have time so add another i don't know 75-100$
with the pound for pound price difference deer might be more expensive but providing meat that you worked for is like priceless
 
Wait so you didn't need any fuel or a reliable vehicle to get where you hunted? I'm assuming you walked from your house then.. What do you do with your deer after you shoot and clean it? Cut it up at home or take it somewhere to be processed?
 
^sorry i fail.

i had the experience to go to South Africa and hunt and it was one of the best experiences of my life.The first pic is of the Impala I got.Second is of a Springbokand Third is of a wildabeast, got in the record books for that.
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+1 man, so many people don't understand what it is like. Imagine this you anti hunters. You are freezing your butt off and its pitch black out. Your sitting on top of a mountain in the rockies. The sun comes up and warms you , you hear the woods become alive. You just sit there for a few hours in the most relaxing way possible. Nothing distracting you, you can take a nap if you want. You are litterely just chillin there. In the mountains. 50 miles away from any town. At night in your tent you hear elk bugling, and coyotes talking to eachother. It sounds so dumb when I try to describe it, but it is amazing.
 
Wait so you don't need a reliable vehicle or fuel to go hunting? Also, I dont disagree that eating wild game is rewarding but people need to quit acting like people who cant afford to buy meat go hunting to survive. A few do but that is far and inbetween.
 
your is not the same as you're

might want to check your posts before you criticize mine.

btw my post has less errors than the material i quoted in it.

also, what does you supporting hunting have to do with anything? i still disagree with you.
 
You guessed right, I hunt right out of my back yard. Well I hike in a mile or two, but yes right there. After I shoot it, I gut it, quarter it. Brang it home, than we skin it, and cut out all the meat. We put all the steaks, roasts, and heart in the freezer, the rest we either smoke, or make burger out of.

We do it on the cheap bro. And yes I do eat the heart, no joke.
 
what the hell is the world coming too though? people doing the hunting for you ? washing your car? everything else in life?
for me hunting is about spending time with my family and outdoors. i could care less if i get a deer truthfully.
 
Thats badass man. I eat the liver and heart out of animals I kill too, the heart is actually one of my favorite things to eat.
 
you obviously gotta get it truthfully lol, but hes saying so what if it cost money, or isn't practical these days. EVEN THOUGH it is. I donno. I am going to bed Ill be back tomorrow. I get hella pissed when people give us shit on this topic.
 
are you actually being serious? If you are, cool dude. I always eat the heart, first thing I eat to. I eat it and kind of pay my respects to the animal I guess. I also tan the hide, and use it for various things. I am making a deer hide quiver for my new recurve bow this year. And I might make some leather moccosons (spelling) because they are by far the best and most stealthy shoes you can wear while hunting.
 
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