almostaskier
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To the Chicago Spire: the Turning Torso did it.
Humans are making some cool stuff
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mtbakerteacher
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This is some Batman Beyond shit now.
Scott~
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You are correct in your guess that foreign laborers working on the towers arent living a real comfortable life. That being said, they are doing better than a great deal of their asian counterparts. It wouldn't necessarily be correct to say that these projects are funded by big oil. The leaders of Dubai took their oil revenues and re-invested it in real estate, tourism etc, and well, you can see the result. I couldnt give you a number but I know that not much of the UAE's GDP comes from oil. Finally you should consider the vast opportunity Dubai provides for foreign architects, construction managers, and engineers. Anyways props to Dubai for not being fucking retarded with their oil money~
mtbakerteacher
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Yeah they have left their mark, and it is a sweet, curvytrippy mark.
But are these hotels that expensive? I mean you make a giant hotel with thousands of rooms, but who's going to fill them?
But are these hotels that expensive? I mean you make a giant hotel with thousands of rooms, but who's going to fill them?
skiminnesota
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im not following you, in one sentence you say "It wouldn't necessarily be correct to say that these projects are funded by big oil" then the next you said, "The leaders of Dubai took their oil revenues and re-invested it in real estate, tourism etc, and well, you can see the result."
in my humble mind it seems like you contradicted yourself big time.
the second thing, dont go spouting numbers if you dont have the sources to back them up... i honestly have no idea how much the UAE makes in oil revenues, and neither do you(unless you show me a creditable source)
"Anyways props to Dubai for not being fucking retarded with their oil money"~
why are they doing such a great thing with their money? doesnt it seem like all that money could be put to better use?
in my humble mind it seems like you contradicted yourself big time.
the second thing, dont go spouting numbers if you dont have the sources to back them up... i honestly have no idea how much the UAE makes in oil revenues, and neither do you(unless you show me a creditable source)
"Anyways props to Dubai for not being fucking retarded with their oil money"~
why are they doing such a great thing with their money? doesnt it seem like all that money could be put to better use?
huckaberry
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look ugly why would they do that
Scott~
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The oil money was re-invested into real-estate and tourism, so at this point the buildings are being funded by their own industries, not oil. I also didnt state any numbers, even saying I was unable to tell you exactly, but since you asked
http://www.ameinfo.com/50449.html
That should answer most of your questions. When I made that statement I was drawing from my memory on what I had learned on Dubai, not assumptions, and as you can see the sources will back me up. Dubai itself has an even lower oil revenue at 6% of total gdp. You say that the oil could be put to better use, but I fail to see how. They have created a vastly successful economy that pulls in billions upon billions of foreign dollars. This economy has provided a huge number of jobs for their native citizens. Sure, at this point many of them will be unable to participate in the more high-end engineering jobs, but this economy brings in huge amounts of money to be spent on schools and such. I fail to see how you could not consider Dubai a huge success. Their government took a limited resource and turned it into a prosperous self-sustaining economy. So many other countries have failed (or fallen far short) at such with far more natural resources.
http://www.ameinfo.com/50449.html
That should answer most of your questions. When I made that statement I was drawing from my memory on what I had learned on Dubai, not assumptions, and as you can see the sources will back me up. Dubai itself has an even lower oil revenue at 6% of total gdp. You say that the oil could be put to better use, but I fail to see how. They have created a vastly successful economy that pulls in billions upon billions of foreign dollars. This economy has provided a huge number of jobs for their native citizens. Sure, at this point many of them will be unable to participate in the more high-end engineering jobs, but this economy brings in huge amounts of money to be spent on schools and such. I fail to see how you could not consider Dubai a huge success. Their government took a limited resource and turned it into a prosperous self-sustaining economy. So many other countries have failed (or fallen far short) at such with far more natural resources.
skiminnesota
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hehehehe i have a little explaining to do, in my posts(i dont know if you read them all?) i was speaking with a heavy dose of E sarcasm......
i think its pretty safe to say i am one of the most conservative members of NS and i was merely pointing out (through sarcasm) how, many of the people i see posting in this thread saying "wow these are so great" type remarks, are some of the same people who i see posting in other forums in some of the most hate filled ways against America and capitalism...
and i can honestly say, i applaud the people of Dubai very much for what they have accomplished...
get where i am going with this?
hahaha i think NS needs a sarcasm meter right next to the karma meter
i think its pretty safe to say i am one of the most conservative members of NS and i was merely pointing out (through sarcasm) how, many of the people i see posting in this thread saying "wow these are so great" type remarks, are some of the same people who i see posting in other forums in some of the most hate filled ways against America and capitalism...
and i can honestly say, i applaud the people of Dubai very much for what they have accomplished...
get where i am going with this?
hahaha i think NS needs a sarcasm meter right next to the karma meter
Theres a big difference between US attempts to spreading democracy and natural, homegrown economies and markets.
hippie_cat
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massive fucking balls of steel is all that keep any of these buildings up. no foundations or anything, just a massive pair going "FUCK YOU GRAVITY!!!"
but yeah, how long til someone basejumps one of those 2000ft+ buildings?
but yeah, how long til someone basejumps one of those 2000ft+ buildings?
skiP.E.I.
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Well, firstly this should probably be in Media and Arts, since it's architecture, but who cares.
In art history our prof showed us a picture of Dubai 15 years ago. It was just a patch of desert with a dirt road running through it and a few shabby buildings. It's incredible how much has been developed there in such a short period of time. I think Dubai has more than half of the world's sky cranes right now, or something like that. whenever one area has a ton of wealth they try to build the most impressive buildings to show it. In ancient Rome the had the Colosseum and the Pantheon, which would have been the Al Burj or whatever of their day.
In art history our prof showed us a picture of Dubai 15 years ago. It was just a patch of desert with a dirt road running through it and a few shabby buildings. It's incredible how much has been developed there in such a short period of time. I think Dubai has more than half of the world's sky cranes right now, or something like that. whenever one area has a ton of wealth they try to build the most impressive buildings to show it. In ancient Rome the had the Colosseum and the Pantheon, which would have been the Al Burj or whatever of their day.
skiminnesota
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naaah thats not my thing, but i support your right to make it "your" thing...
so i just want to clarify, if its horrible how walmart treats their employees, why isnt it as bad how people are being treated elsewhere?
or is the difference that the Arabs are putting up big shiny buildings and walmart only puts up big ugly warehouses.
so i just want to clarify, if its horrible how walmart treats their employees, why isnt it as bad how people are being treated elsewhere?
or is the difference that the Arabs are putting up big shiny buildings and walmart only puts up big ugly warehouses.
Workers in the UAE have been treated like shit, no question. The difference though is that in the UAE, when they strike, they actually get what they want from the management in a matter of days. If something sucks, they listen and change it.
skiminnesota
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do you have any sources to back these, mildly outlandish claims..
"when they strike, they actually get what they want from the management in a matter of days."
would you not agree that these buildings are a symbol of big business? cause all i ever see on NS is something like this "big business can suck a fat one" and now people are praising these "things" as great and beautiful. but at the same time everyone hates on big business.
again no "hate" from me, i just think some of the people on here need to take a good hard long look at what they believe in.
"when they strike, they actually get what they want from the management in a matter of days."
would you not agree that these buildings are a symbol of big business? cause all i ever see on NS is something like this "big business can suck a fat one" and now people are praising these "things" as great and beautiful. but at the same time everyone hates on big business.
again no "hate" from me, i just think some of the people on here need to take a good hard long look at what they believe in.
mtbakerteacher
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Look. I'm not against big business. What I'm against is government giving excessive breaks to big business, and big business having its interests exclusively considered by the government. And I think that is what most people are against too. Not big business itself, but government working with it.
These buildings are definately a symbol of big business, which is fine. Let them build what they want, it's a free country, but we're praising them for making what they spend their money on look cool.
These buildings are definately a symbol of big business, which is fine. Let them build what they want, it's a free country, but we're praising them for making what they spend their money on look cool.
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) -- The government has
ordered ministers and construction companies to review salaries and
possibly set a minimum wage in an effort to avert turmoil on the labor
market because of a strike by about 40,000 Asian construction workers
startclickprintexclude
PURGE: /2007/BUSINESS/11/08/strike.minimumwage.ap/art.construction.workers.gi.afp.jpg KEEP ===========IMAGE============The strike -- in its sixth day Tuesday -- is one of the most crippling
in Dubai's construction frenzy, and has triggered a labor crisis in
this desert city-state that markets itself as a top Mideast business
and luxury tourist hub.
/PURGE: /2007/BUSINESS/11/08/strike.minimumwage.ap/art.construction.workers.gi.afp.jpg
endclickprintexclude The workers have refused to work for
Dubai construction giant Arabtec at a hotel site that is part of the
world's tallest skyscraper being built. They are complaining about low
salaries, soaring living costs and poor working conditions.
The
walkout has prompted the government to announce the creation of a joint
salary reviewing committee, made up of labor ministry officials and
construction companies' representatives.
The move, reported by
the state WAM news agency this week, was a clear indication the
Emirates is taking critical note of the worker's grievances and not
dismissing them as just a private sector problem.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/11/08/strike.minimumwage.ap/index.html
Its gone on for six days. How long did the writers strike here in the US last again? Conditions for workers there suck, for sure, but it seems like steps are being taken, quickly at that, to improve them.
As for big business, I'm not going to help or deny your point. I just think these buildings look cool.
ordered ministers and construction companies to review salaries and
possibly set a minimum wage in an effort to avert turmoil on the labor
market because of a strike by about 40,000 Asian construction workers
startclickprintexclude
PURGE: /2007/BUSINESS/11/08/strike.minimumwage.ap/art.construction.workers.gi.afp.jpg KEEP ===========IMAGE============The strike -- in its sixth day Tuesday -- is one of the most crippling
in Dubai's construction frenzy, and has triggered a labor crisis in
this desert city-state that markets itself as a top Mideast business
and luxury tourist hub.
/PURGE: /2007/BUSINESS/11/08/strike.minimumwage.ap/art.construction.workers.gi.afp.jpg
endclickprintexclude The workers have refused to work for
Dubai construction giant Arabtec at a hotel site that is part of the
world's tallest skyscraper being built. They are complaining about low
salaries, soaring living costs and poor working conditions.
The
walkout has prompted the government to announce the creation of a joint
salary reviewing committee, made up of labor ministry officials and
construction companies' representatives.
The move, reported by
the state WAM news agency this week, was a clear indication the
Emirates is taking critical note of the worker's grievances and not
dismissing them as just a private sector problem.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/11/08/strike.minimumwage.ap/index.html
Its gone on for six days. How long did the writers strike here in the US last again? Conditions for workers there suck, for sure, but it seems like steps are being taken, quickly at that, to improve them.
As for big business, I'm not going to help or deny your point. I just think these buildings look cool.
skiminnesota
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ok walmart wants to put in a supercenter in your town, big business. "its a free county"
also i will play devils advocate here, these buildings will be used by such a small portion of society so why make them so fancy? why not put up a little sloppy warehouse and donate the the excess to the starving children in africa
also i will play devils advocate here, these buildings will be used by such a small portion of society so why make them so fancy? why not put up a little sloppy warehouse and donate the the excess to the starving children in africa
skiminnesota
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ok first off, i could give a rats ass about the writers strike.
second, from what i gathered from the article these strikes were only for the big construction projects right? i would imagin they would be a pretty high priority on the governments list, what about the people on the lower end of the national economic ladder(walmart type employees)
second, from what i gathered from the article these strikes were only for the big construction projects right? i would imagin they would be a pretty high priority on the governments list, what about the people on the lower end of the national economic ladder(walmart type employees)
No, the article went on about how the government is going to set a national minimum wage. They do care, they're at least learning from their mistakes and quickly moving to resolve issues.
skiminnesota
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dont get me wrong, i think its great that they are making changes to be a more modern society.
i still stand by my earlier posts, some of the people on here need to take a long hard look at their beliefs.
i still stand by my earlier posts, some of the people on here need to take a long hard look at their beliefs.
I heard you could buy a "country" in that when it is finished. they also have oen shaped liek a big palm tree.
mtbakerteacher
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You are right that there are more helpful things they could do with the money, but they aren't doing that with them. Big deal, it's their money. That's not the argument. Are you arguing just for the sake of argument?
Regardless, Walmart does have the right to put the supercenter there, but the town can fight it, or the people could not use it. It's all part of their freedom, on both sides.
Regardless, Walmart does have the right to put the supercenter there, but the town can fight it, or the people could not use it. It's all part of their freedom, on both sides.
almostaskier
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Essentially, you're the hypocrite.
The working conditions may suck, but the strikes are making it so that there will be a minimum of pay and conditions in all of the UAE. Your implicit argument that they are somehow not as modern as us is extremely insulting, given that your arch nemesis, Wal-Mart, is an American product, yet would not give striking workers the light of day like the UAE just has.
Also, like Drew said, the beauty of something is separated from the morality of it. Big Business schmisiness, those towers are cool looking. That's a qualitative assessment i can make regardless of why they are built or at the expense of whom.
The working conditions may suck, but the strikes are making it so that there will be a minimum of pay and conditions in all of the UAE. Your implicit argument that they are somehow not as modern as us is extremely insulting, given that your arch nemesis, Wal-Mart, is an American product, yet would not give striking workers the light of day like the UAE just has.
Also, like Drew said, the beauty of something is separated from the morality of it. Big Business schmisiness, those towers are cool looking. That's a qualitative assessment i can make regardless of why they are built or at the expense of whom.
skier_boy26
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A better example would be medieval city states of Italy. The wealthy there were always trying to one up each other and show their wealth by constructing towers (for simplicity's sake). Siena, Florence, Gimignano, etc, all those places had like over 100 towers each. Imagine that shit.
skiminnesota
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well if you crack open a dictionary (or in my case google it) here is the litteral definition
1.a "person who advocates an opposing or unpopular cause for the sake of argument or to expose it to a thorough examination."
also i dont see how this turned into a political thread? i wasnt talking politics, i was talking about big bad business..
let me clear up a few things, i have no personal problem with the amazing pieces of art in this thread. i think they are awesome!!! and hope to be able to see them in person one day..
also, Drew, i got over the personal put downs, in, o, i dont know 5th grade, maybe one day you will too.... beat me on the issues and not through putting other people down.
1.a "person who advocates an opposing or unpopular cause for the sake of argument or to expose it to a thorough examination."
also i dont see how this turned into a political thread? i wasnt talking politics, i was talking about big bad business..
let me clear up a few things, i have no personal problem with the amazing pieces of art in this thread. i think they are awesome!!! and hope to be able to see them in person one day..
also, Drew, i got over the personal put downs, in, o, i dont know 5th grade, maybe one day you will too.... beat me on the issues and not through putting other people down.
Check out this one proposed for Dubai. Its called the Lighthouse, and will be covered in solar panels as part of new "green" requirements for all future projects.
skiminnesota
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what web site are you getting all these awesome pictures from? ^^
i would definitely spend some time on a slow day looking and reading over all the articles
i would definitely spend some time on a slow day looking and reading over all the articles
BonersinmyassFTW
Member
Wow we're pretty cool, good thing we don't have any serious issues that could be solved the amount of money and energy being put into these
Less bickering, more cool stuff. All of the following in this post is currently in some form of construction in Dubai.
Pentominimum, 120 stories, currently under construction but to be completed soon.
Burj Al Alam, tallest commercial building in the world when its completed. 1500 feet tall.
Princess Tower, residential, 1358 feet, 107 floors.
Marina 23. Residential, 57 swimming pools, 1296 feet.
Marina 101. Hotel/residental, 1360 feet.
Elite Residence - 1296 feet. Elite luxury living.
Emirates Park Towers Hotel and Spa.
The Marina Torch - supertall, modeling the lighthouse at Alexandria.
Al Yaquob Tower - like Big Ben, only 1000 feet taller.
Infinity Tower
Okay, so this one is proposed, not approved yet, but absolutely fucking beautiful. Wave Tower, Dubai.
These are proposed too, Signature Towers. Mind boggling.
Now heres one for the books. Da Vinci Tower, Dubai. No, these are not separate structures. They are different forms of the building. Each floor of this building rotates slowly.
Pentominimum, 120 stories, currently under construction but to be completed soon.
Burj Al Alam, tallest commercial building in the world when its completed. 1500 feet tall.
Princess Tower, residential, 1358 feet, 107 floors.
Marina 23. Residential, 57 swimming pools, 1296 feet.
Marina 101. Hotel/residental, 1360 feet.
Elite Residence - 1296 feet. Elite luxury living.
Emirates Park Towers Hotel and Spa.
The Marina Torch - supertall, modeling the lighthouse at Alexandria.
Al Yaquob Tower - like Big Ben, only 1000 feet taller.
Infinity Tower
Okay, so this one is proposed, not approved yet, but absolutely fucking beautiful. Wave Tower, Dubai.
These are proposed too, Signature Towers. Mind boggling.
Now heres one for the books. Da Vinci Tower, Dubai. No, these are not separate structures. They are different forms of the building. Each floor of this building rotates slowly.
Whoops, heres Wave Tower:
And the Signature Towers.
And the Signature Towers.
skiminnesota
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haha im pretty sure this pwns my home "bump"
Does this count as green arcitechture? Currently under construction in India:
skiminnesota
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Wikipedia and random blogs.
back_woods
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I'd worry less about the scottish archtects and more about the russian take on big business....and the two together..yeesh
skiminnesota
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if im a "cunt" does that make you a "cock juggling thunder cunt"? im just wondering....
but in the end im not going to loose sleep over someone on the internet calling me childish names.. i honestly had some agreement with one of your arguments, but after lowering yourself to the level of name calling, you are doing nothing but lowering my opinion on your views......
but in the end im not going to loose sleep over someone on the internet calling me childish names.. i honestly had some agreement with one of your arguments, but after lowering yourself to the level of name calling, you are doing nothing but lowering my opinion on your views......
Deletedtoday
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this is my favorite