Grudge against Salomon
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ATLANTASKI
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its bc they make shitty skis
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Viva La Praetorian Bitches'
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They make descent skis, it's really their image that most have a problem with.
Salomon is a race company, they make racing skis and clothes. They know the freeskiing industry is going to be big so are trying to push their image as a freeskiing company too.
The thing is they aren't, they don't care much for the sport other than to sell more skis (like other race companies). They did create the first twin-tip and for that we thank them, but now they are really just trying to act like legit players in the freeski industry and it's pathetic.
My two cents...
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Salomon is a race company, they make racing skis and clothes. They know the freeskiing industry is going to be big so are trying to push their image as a freeskiing company too.
The thing is they aren't, they don't care much for the sport other than to sell more skis (like other race companies). They did create the first twin-tip and for that we thank them, but now they are really just trying to act like legit players in the freeski industry and it's pathetic.
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skogenjake
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there was a kid with a freeze hoody in school but it was during this immigrtion thing where he had to speak french cause he was in french 4 and all of in us history class had to listen to him and his friends in a special room and 'experience the language barrier that the immigrants of the 1900's had to go through' so during the between class break i was like hey whats up you ski? he was like 'cev vou pleik' or some shit and i was like come on its break you dont have to do that. he kept on speaking the paris talk. i got so pissed i was like 'what the fuck do you ride then' and he said a bunch of french shit but then said '1080's' and then went back to being a dick. during break he sat in the room, by himself insetead of leaving to go chill, so the moral here is that salomon makes stupid overpriced skis for fucking losers.
im not bashing French, im bashing this loser and salomon.
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adeu, mutherfucker
im not bashing French, im bashing this loser and salomon.
Im now Libertarian.
And sexy as hell.
adeu, mutherfucker
OnuJaarek
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What's wrong with race companies? People dont have to be so close-minded, buy a pair of twintips, hit the slopes, the park, ski the whole mountain, and even take a couple of Nastar runs. Besides if i owned a big ski company I would try and make more money, that's a smart thing to do, wouldnt you?
'I dont no why ppl have a problem, salomon has benn in this industry for a long time and got into the freestyle scene pretty early.
Also thier ski rule!'
Yes, foam definetly rules. I love how easy it is to break, and how it loses all its pop in about 30 days. It's also great how every time you buy from salomon, adidas gets to make a new pair of soccer shoes.
GEMINI....Bitches...
Also thier ski rule!'
Yes, foam definetly rules. I love how easy it is to break, and how it loses all its pop in about 30 days. It's also great how every time you buy from salomon, adidas gets to make a new pair of soccer shoes.
GEMINI....Bitches...
simmers
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you guys are fucking retards. salomon might not be a 'core' company, like 4frnt; however, they have a shitload of money, and they are pumping it into freeskiing.
i know all you guys have this idealistic notion that freeskiing is all about core companies, and that that should be the only type of company in freeskiing. that notion is fucking wrong. without companies with money, like salomon, rossignol, dynastar, etc., companies like 4frnt would likely not exist.
core companies have the money to produce and market products. however, there is more to the market than creating and marketing a product. although they are not fully directing their energies at the two percent of the skiing market that is freeskiing, the 'race' companies that 'are not real freeskiing companies' pretty much fucking created it. they were the ones sponsoring events, movies, and all the other things that keep people stoked and draw new people into the sport. and they still are. 'core' ski companies are not doing things like this (which are very important to the industry), and they won't, because they can't afford to do so.
so, go ahead and talk shit about the 'race' companies. just remember that the 'race' companies were the ones who initially gave freeskiing the support it needed to grow to the point where it could support 'core' companies. and, remember that, since they are selling more than just freeride skis (an act so frowned upon by all here), they can afford to sponsor events and videos -- and they do. yeah, go ahead and dis 'race' companies. just remember that, despite their images, they are still putting a lot more fucking money and support into freeskiing than any core company will be able to for a long time.
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i know all you guys have this idealistic notion that freeskiing is all about core companies, and that that should be the only type of company in freeskiing. that notion is fucking wrong. without companies with money, like salomon, rossignol, dynastar, etc., companies like 4frnt would likely not exist.
core companies have the money to produce and market products. however, there is more to the market than creating and marketing a product. although they are not fully directing their energies at the two percent of the skiing market that is freeskiing, the 'race' companies that 'are not real freeskiing companies' pretty much fucking created it. they were the ones sponsoring events, movies, and all the other things that keep people stoked and draw new people into the sport. and they still are. 'core' ski companies are not doing things like this (which are very important to the industry), and they won't, because they can't afford to do so.
so, go ahead and talk shit about the 'race' companies. just remember that the 'race' companies were the ones who initially gave freeskiing the support it needed to grow to the point where it could support 'core' companies. and, remember that, since they are selling more than just freeride skis (an act so frowned upon by all here), they can afford to sponsor events and videos -- and they do. yeah, go ahead and dis 'race' companies. just remember that, despite their images, they are still putting a lot more fucking money and support into freeskiing than any core company will be able to for a long time.
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simmers
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i absolutely want to see core companies succeed. and, i think they will. however, at this point, core companies can't succeed without having companies like salomon around. if those companies go, then it will be up to core companies to support the entire market segment by themselves, which is something that they cannot afford to do. so, what i am saying is that the 'race' companies out there are actually making it possible for their 'core' competitors to be viable.
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joshbryant
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If you support the core companies, then they will be able to sponsor more events. The biggest reason to support core brands is so that we can control the direction the sport is headed in. Big companies will kill the funding to freeskiing if they don't feel like it will make them enough. It happened to Freeze. If we give money to the core companies, they will fight to keep skiing alive, and progressing the right way.
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simmers
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big ski companies are not sponsoring shit with money that they made from selling twintips. they are using money from selling race skis and rental skis. there is not enough money in freeskiing to have things just stay the way they are if we all start supporting core companies. i know it is a romantic thing to think about. but, sooner or later, we have to pay attention to reality. if 'race' companies are going to disappear, then core companies will have to start doing the things that a 'race' company does (like sell rental skis and shit like that) in order to generate the revenue necessary to sponsor events, movies, etc. we are not a 100% self-sufficient market category; so, stop pretending like we are.
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joshbryant
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It happened to snowboarding. The riders took the market for themselves, rider driven brands got huge. Just look at burton. It's definetly possible for these companies to support the industry, as long as they're getting the support. Especially looking at the market trends for twin-tip growth against every other section of skiing, and even snowboarding. On that note, I definetly agree with you Simmers that freeskiing would not be where it is today without the bigger brands keeping it alive in its infancy.
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outerlimitz
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simmers, if you aren't an Econ major, you should be...you got it right...
simmers
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burton is not a 'rider driven' company anymore. they are the salomon of snowboarding. that is what i am saying. core companies can support the industry. however, they cannot do it while remaing 'core' companies. if the salomons of the industry leave, then a core ski company is going to have to start marketing rentals, carving skis, everything, in order to make the money necessary to pick up the slack. that is, salomon can leave, but it is only going to be replaced by another company which differs only in name. not only do core companies need the support of big companies to stay alive, they need the big companies to stay around so that they can afford to remain 'core.'
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CTD
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yeah, they dont have the money becuase thre big companies take the majority of the sales. while right now they arnt making huge revenues, all of the money created in these companies goes into R&D, and Manufacturing. the bigger the profits, the more money they have for manufacturing. and the more skis they make, the cheap it becomes for them. so while currently companies like 4frnt, ninthward, armada, liberty, faction, ect dont have the money, in a few easons time, it is absoulutely posibble. just look at companies like Orage, LIne, Siver Cartel, D-structure, ect. they all host and sponser major events and films. i would love nothing more than to see skiing get like snowboarding, where the majority of the companies are rider owned. even burton, who is a huge corperation, is rider owned. there is potential for the ski industry to explode, and it will. i would love to see skiing turn into a snowboarding, where twin tips arnt just for trick skis, but every ones ski. why? because companies like line could and are make all mountain skis that reform just as good as anything else put ouut by major manufacturers, plus they are more fun for the buyer, and it puts money into line. these core companies, like 4frnt, armada, ect need to make more all around skis if they want to survive. while i will agree, it isnt the cololest thing, its the smartest. that is where the majority of the money is anyway, in the intermediate, recreational ski. if shops had less bias toward the bigger companies, and were more focused on smaller companies, it could compltely happen.
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Hart_Ski_Mfg
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Core companies are sometimes backed by larger race companies but you just do not know it. They can back them from an investment standpoint or manufactuering standpoint either way many core and smaller ski companies are directly or indirectly backed by a major.
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salomon contributes a lot...they sponsor movies, events, and lots of skiers. you may not like it, but salomon alone contributes more money to the newschool industry than 4frnt, armada, liberty, faction, and ninthward all put together.
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skogenjake
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well not CR
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adeu, mutherfucker
Im now Libertarian.
And sexy as hell.
adeu, mutherfucker
mattwalker
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i use their bindings and boots... i like them...
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High Society.
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skogenjake
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but yeah salomon isnt very cool. theyre big into money and not big in quality. like a big corportaion. not like ninthward or liberty or any of the new companies that actually think you are cool. and a person. not a number. ive talked to a ninthward guy. very cool. nice. cares about the company and us. ive yet to see a nice kid riding salomons-one that wasnt at total stuck up bastard- but maybe thats where i live.
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kendrick
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did you guys already forget that Salomon's 1080 kicked off this whole ski revolution. (don't tell me about olin mark 4's, I already know, plus they were for ballet) Mike Douglas, JP Auclair, Vinnie, JF... all those guys were on the 1080 during the start of this freeskiing revolution. That was not only a risk for salomon, but I think it establishes them as pioneers and supporters of freestyle. In conclusion, salomon makes skis for all sorts of skiers.
simmers, I liked it when you dropped the sig, but I didn't like it when you brought back the
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You're right, this freeskiing niche will not support an aspiring company unless they reach out to the broader market. The only way is if the company sticks to like one or two owner/employees who work efficiently and don't need large incomes.
simmers, I liked it when you dropped the sig, but I didn't like it when you brought back the
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You're right, this freeskiing niche will not support an aspiring company unless they reach out to the broader market. The only way is if the company sticks to like one or two owner/employees who work efficiently and don't need large incomes.
skogenjake
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oh i didnt forget. im thinking locally, your thinking globally. like biodome.
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adeu, mutherfucker
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deleted000
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For the record the first twin tip was the Olin Mark IV.
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deleted000
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K2 Poacher?
Feed your need
Feed your need
Ice-Is-Scary
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Yeah salomon skis are easy to break although Pierre drops 180 footers and lands on rocks without breaking his pocketrockets, I saw him the other day up on the hill and he has two year old pocketrockets and I'm sure he could get a new pair for free when he breaks those. Like nopoles said it's more of an image issue than anything else, people are trying so hard to be the corest of the core that they are fucking retarded. For the record spaceframe skis don't get their strength from the 'foam core' which you all use to talk shit on Salomon. They get their strength from the frame the foam is just a filler I'm pretty sure.
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Girays_Brother
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theyre super stiff, and the shape on em suck
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deleted000
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Yeah well try and explain to me why the 1080s chatter at high speeds and skis with wood don't?
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CTD
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actually, salomon didnt create the whole industry. if it wasnt for their freestyle (moguls) team begging, and begging for some kind of twin tip ski, there wouldnt have been a 1080 until much later.
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guddgulf17
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simmers makes an excellent point. let the race comapnies pay for everything, and we can buy just the core companies skis
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BLKOUT
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I demo'd a pair of 1080's and they were crap. Foam cores suk. They're super light which is cool and they absorb shock real well, but they feel dead. They have no pop in em' and they feel like U're ridin' on wet noodles. Who else makes freeskis outa foam? No one, cuz they suk. Also I broke a pair of Ti bindings after only one season. I sent em' back and they just replaced the broken pieces. They couldn't even give me a new pair. Cheap bastards. Peepl think they started the whole freeskiing revolution too, but I remember K2's poacher coming out before the 1080's. Bottom line, Solomon Sux!
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Simmers -
You are wrong about Burton and about how snowboarders take control. Yes the snowboarders on Burton or Salomon are in a different situation than those on Capita or Academy or Rome. However, riders on Salomon or Burton are WAY ahead of where skiers on Salomon or Volkl are. The money is different, the way product is design is different and the way marketing is done is different. I know your team manager, wait, Salomon doesn't really even have a ski team manager, so whoever sign the contracts wants you to believe they make no money off of 1080's etc., but truth is that they would not make them if they didn't provide a net profit. And, I believe that if they actually had more pride and belief in our sector of the market they could kill it.
You are wrong about Burton and about how snowboarders take control. Yes the snowboarders on Burton or Salomon are in a different situation than those on Capita or Academy or Rome. However, riders on Salomon or Burton are WAY ahead of where skiers on Salomon or Volkl are. The money is different, the way product is design is different and the way marketing is done is different. I know your team manager, wait, Salomon doesn't really even have a ski team manager, so whoever sign the contracts wants you to believe they make no money off of 1080's etc., but truth is that they would not make them if they didn't provide a net profit. And, I believe that if they actually had more pride and belief in our sector of the market they could kill it.
Flowsion
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People dont hate on rossi or K2 as much because both of them are smaller. Sure K2 is pretty damn big, but they still are a good company with their priorities in place. Same with rossi. Salomon is a giant, and they aren't really there to care for their customers. I've emailed them many times before and have gotten no response, rossi and k2 are both pretty willing to help out and fix any problems. Salomon would be better if they just didn't seem so big and more customer oriented. Right now it seems once salomon sells their product, its out of their minds and it doesnt matter what happens to it.
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ifsa_alum
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Yes, the K2 Poacher came out first but it was too stiff and too narrow. Completely inappropriate for the direction the sport was heading. K2 Enemy fixed that.
I think of Salomon as a competition company and not just race. They are spending a lot of time developing halfpipe skis in anticipation of an Olympic event in 2010. The CR Labs are just the first generation of those. The most memorable comments from the past two X-Games were all about how much higher and consistently Candide, CR, and Simon were boosting out of the pipe. It was ridiculous.
What better marketing could a company ask for? When everybody is looking up, way up, and reading the Salomon name on the ski bases.
Action speaks louder than words... and pretty pictures.
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This is Whistler, as I'm getting my ass whooped by Jon - I fuckin' hate that guy - that guy wins all the time.
- The Dumont (skier commentary in High Five)
I think of Salomon as a competition company and not just race. They are spending a lot of time developing halfpipe skis in anticipation of an Olympic event in 2010. The CR Labs are just the first generation of those. The most memorable comments from the past two X-Games were all about how much higher and consistently Candide, CR, and Simon were boosting out of the pipe. It was ridiculous.
What better marketing could a company ask for? When everybody is looking up, way up, and reading the Salomon name on the ski bases.
Action speaks louder than words... and pretty pictures.
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This is Whistler, as I'm getting my ass whooped by Jon - I fuckin' hate that guy - that guy wins all the time.
- The Dumont (skier commentary in High Five)
Huckasorass
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Holy Crap holes, I love hearing people diss foam core skis... hahahahahah, they chatter- too poppy- dead- light - stiff- flexy, hey... did any of you shitforbrainns ski on them??
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Ice-Is-Scary
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no, they just jumped on the bandwagon because salomon isn't CORE.
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JohnnyOldGuy
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Yes they make some money off 1080's and such from jibbers but like said above they make an assload more money on gaper skis than anything....such as shitty rental skis.