Greatest President Ever

yea but why didnt any other country around the world step in but it had to be the US, and what about terry schiavo she died for no reason, she was beat to a pulp by her husband and then left to die with no feeding tube....
 
What the fuck are you talking about? First of all you don't know anything and everything you say is completely unfounded and incorrect. But out of the sake of argument and because I have nothing to do today I am going to try to explain some things to you.

Terri Schiavo:

Was injured to the point where she was in a persistent vegetative state. She was not conscious. Her husband never "beat her to a pulp" he loving cared for her for 15 years. He filed to have the feeding tube removed and her family who had stopped caring about her threw a fit and eventually attention seeking politicians got involved and used the case as a distraction and moral debate. She did not suffer because her brain lacked the ability to comprehend suffering. It was the human to let her die.

Iraq Vs. Somalia:

Having bases in a country and invading and controlling a country are two different things. For example we have bases in Japan. We are occupying Iraq. Somalia was a humanitarian mission and Iraq was a revenge/oil/war profiteering mission. Somalia went extremely poorly but Clinton had the ability to realize his mistake.

You are obviously the son of a man who is right of Attila the Hun and you haven't taken the time to turn off fox news and do some research of your own.
 
im pretty sure that his implementation of the shah caused all some big debts and especially the oil crisis in the 1970s.
 
if you're going to post some 'proof' for your points, don't use wikipedia. for all you know, i could have just edited what that article said. wikipedia does not hold up as a credible source for anything more than common knowledge.
 
1) never happened ever. There was a trade between nations but no secrets were ever sold. This is a crime of treason and punishable by death. Never happened flat out NEVER.

2)Um he was in business with the Clintons and was convicted of fraud. He died in prison of a heart attack. That right there proves you as completly un-credible because you say he was shot but this is completly untrue. Strike two.

3) Outsourcing is a way of maintaining a global economy and actually is necessary to maintain a powerful economy. A macro economics class will aide you in understanding this concept.

4) as I explained in a previous post there is a large difference between occupying/controlling, and having a small military base in which no us solider has died in 8 years.

5) They did not trash the white house at all. They stole the W off some of the keyboard in reference to the W in bush as a joke. This is the only act of vandalism I have ever read/heard/am aware of and I think that it is kind of funny but perhaps inappropriate.

6) This is a horrible mistake which I can not condone. However this is his personal life and none of the American peoples business. During this time of tremendous strife he still managed to run this country with dignity. I am far more concerned with a president lying about presidential matters than his personal life. And who would want to have sex with Hillary anyway.

Basically you are a fool but there is hope. Read a book. Turn off Fox news, use your brain and stop listening to whoever is giving you this information.
 
umm well you asked about terry schivo and i gave you some info it happened to be what i picked from google

and iraq vs somalia

yes they are two different things but clinton stuck his nose into something he should have left the UN to fix....and let me say this, have we had another 9/11 since we were in Iraq NOOOOOO because we did what we had to.....i think we should finish up and get the hell out.....yes i watch fox news your right because every other news station is liberal as hell and bends the shit so that people believe a whole nother story cough cough CNN
 
i envy all you guys that live in canada!!!

The U.S. is on a one way trip down the shitter and if things get any worse (which there isn't a whole lot more that could happen to make this country any more of a fuck-up than it already is) then im movin to canada...

or new zealand
 
thank god someone here actually knows what they're talking about...everyone else is claiming things that never happened or they are completely changing the story...get your facts straight before complaining to everyone else about what you know almost nothing about. and ninthward...if we get another dumbfuck president next november im going to antarctica and live with the penguins
 
You can't say that. You can't say oh this man would have done a shittier job than Bush. We will never know. It wasn't just the US in Somalia, it was the UN. We just happened to be leading the way as always. If we let it solve itself, sectarian warfare would wipe out the entire country until one group remains.
 
exactly

i asked why turtles are speacial

and he said cuz they dont complain over the internet

and i said neither do fish or birds!!!

not very complicated to understand...
 
Kind of, it led to the revolution which gave Kolmani power and started anti-US things which stopped oil trade between us and them therefor reducing supply increasing price. The Shah was implemented in the 50's.
 
What we had to do? Like attacking and occupying an unprovoked nation with out the support of the UN and with no president with a civilian causality number hovering somewhere in the 30k range and massive military, financial, and human loss.

What we had to do...

I work with people that are way out in right field. And every day after lunch I get into some type of political argument. And every day I learn a little more about how you people think and it boggles my mind.

Every other news agency is slanted left?!?!?

Lets look at the facts here. Rupert Murdoch head of the fox news corporation is a insane right winger. He donates millions to conservative campaigns and personally selects the stories and how they will be portrayed on his network. He allows his network to show less than true and completly false stories. He was one of the most important propanganda providers for the war in Iraq and in several of his papers asserted that Iraq was responsible for 9/11.

What makes more sense. The whole world has a tremendous bias against conservative politics and will do whatever they can to destroy them and fox news is the sword carrying hero to defend the US. Or the rest of the world is reporting the news and fox is a government shill set up to scare, confuse, and anger you into a state of compliance.

Oh and 911. I blame the Bush adminstration completly. Here is why.

1) Bush was on vacation more than any other president in the history of the United States in the days before 911.

2) Rice received a memo on her desk titled "Osama determined to Attack Within The United States" The first chapter outlined how commercial airliners could be used. This was one of 2 high priority security memos she received. (look it up I couldn't make this shit up if I tried"

3) When Clinton left he outlined his concern for the dealings of Osama to Bush and was completly ignored.

You really need to get off fox news bro and I hope everyone on this website remembers your name and associates it with "LIAR"
 
fuck reagan! are you kidding me! i fucking HATE reagan! your a dumbass! he fucking started the war on drugs! and how about iran contra? reagan and his whole admin. was just as bad as the bushies man. FUCK reagan. he's a fucking actor! what a joke.
 
Yeah man, the Shah of Iran was a mother fucker. Also some bad shit went down under the COINTELPRO, including the complete repression and dismantling of the Black Panther party.
 
It is very hard to outline a "best President" from what they did do, to me it's more a question of what they didn't do. Agreeing with Mi(scra)tch Eisenhower, along with Truman did not stop or even come close to stopping the spread of communism. I believe the Truman doctrine was a scape-goat for other imperialist strategy, and that the whole mind set some people have of "stopping communism" as if it was a finite or easily manageable concept is extremely naive. Obviously outlines how people are still easily susceptible to these doctrines even 50 years after its inception.
 
so not true, that guy based his theory on missing vets in vietnam soley on the rambo movie

and what bout the star wars program? that guy was borderline retarded
 
hey. go to the top of the page. read it. a thread that isnt about bashing bush, but about who you think is the best president.

you just missed that little tid bit when you were busy getting all riled up on your cute little rant.

dude. chill. the kid knows hes wrong. dont say he needs to be "synonomous with LIAR". seriously, put on some jack johnson, drink a nice bottle of water, and just relax.
 
1)it was a coverup, they said he died with a heartattack in prison....did not happen

they did more than remove the w's they smashed things and desks and computers had to be replaced.....simple as can be clinton was a lying corrupt asshole
 
who is they? The corner? The prison? His family?

You are out there bro and you dont know your shit.
 
I don't know if anyone mentioned this president, but James K. Polk was the best example of a president ever.

Everything that he guaranteed he was going to do, he did. He did it in the 4 years he was in office, and he didn't seek a second term(Because he was just THAT fucking good), which he would of easily taken. He aquired almost all the land that we have today, and won the Mexican American war. He opened up free trade, introduced stamps, and lowered tariffs.

And who doesn't like a guy with the nickname "Dark Horse."

My second best goes to Andrew Jackson. The original bad ass. If there was ever a fight between all the presidents ever, Andrew Jackson would dine on the hearts of every single president. He almost shot his own vice president for Christs sake. He was taken prisoner by the British, starved, but when he was asked to shine the boot of a British boot, he spit in their face. THEY HAD TO HOLD HIM BACK FROM BEATING THE GUY WHO TRIED TO ASSASIANTE HIM TO DEATH. He was in 103 duels and had more bullets inside him him than in his gun. The guy had a pet parrot who was taken out of his funeral cause it was cursing too much. He was the real everyman, not the bullshit these new presidents try to sell.

Oh, and he did a lot of great political things too.
 
they keep that shit secret, especially if it meant he had someone killed

news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/gao/gao0602whvandalism.pdf

here is the clinton trashing the white house deal OA prepared the list on the basis of the recollections of five EOP officials with responsibilities in the areas of administration, management, telephones, facilities, and supplies. It listed missing building fixtures, such as doorknobs and a presidential seal; computer keyboards with missing “W” keys; damaged and overturned furniture; telephone lines pulled from the wall; telephones with missing

telephone number labels; fax machines moved to the wrong areas and a secure telephone left open with the key in it; offices left in a state of “general trashing,” including the contents of desk drawers dumped on the floor, a glass desk top smashed and on the floor, and refrigerators unplugged with spoiled food; writing on the walls; and voice mail greetings that had obscene messages. The list also indicated that six to eight 14-foot trucks were needed to recover usable supplies that had been thrown away.

 
yet again a little research will reveal you are a liar. This is from a non partison group exposing the accusation that were made by FOX news against Clinton. You suck.

June 8, 2001

A May 21 FAIR action alert addressed the stories of White House "vandalism" during the transition in January. According to anonymous Bush administration sources, Clinton staffers had looted Air Force One and vandalized the White House on their way out of office. The rumors exploded after earlier, more light-hearted stories about minor pranks, such as removing the letter W from computer keyboards.

Some news outlets gave the new vandalism stories minimal attention because they were based on little more than rumors, while others went ahead and ran with them. Fox News Channel played the story bigger than almost any other outlet. On January 26 alone, the vandalism was discussed at least 10 times on various Fox shows (including reruns), usually at a fevered pitch.

FAIR urged readers to encourage Fox to explain why it had made dubious rumors a major focus of its transition coverage. Fox received hundreds of concerned email messages from FAIR activists.

Then on Friday June 1, the White House finally wrote down a list specifying the damages for the first time-- despite having told the GAO six weeks earlier that it had "located no such record" (Kansas City Star, 6/5/01). It gave the list to the Washington Post, which ran it on Sunday (6/3/01).

For some, the list proved that the vandalism stories had been accurate after all, and an attack on the critics was in order. On Fox News Sunday, Tony Snow (6/3/01) denounced FAIR's action alert as "a hate e-mail campaign directed at Washington journalists." An unsigned June 4 email from Fox to FAIR activists argued that Fleischer's list "finally detailed a lot of the damage," and "laid out enough of the details to make it clear that the original stories were basically correct."

But the Fleischer list provides little if any corroboration for Fox's reports, and certainly does not vindicate the network's round-the-clock sensationalism. To see why, one needs to review how the vandalism story evolved.

A shaky story

Early on, it became clear that the sensational story was not all it was cracked up to be. The "looting" of Air Force One, which Fox anchor Brit Hume described as a "raid"-- in which Clinton personnel had supposedly stolen china, silverware, champagne glasses and bedsheets from the plane--unraveled after two weeks, when a spokesman for Andrews Air Force base said the story was baseless (Kansas City Star, 2/9/01).

The rest of the story has had a more complicated history. Responding to a request from Rep. Bob Barr (R.-Ga.), the General Accounting Office (GAO) and General Services Administration (GSA) reviewed the charges. The GSA, which is in charge of the maintenance of White House offices, sent a letter to Barr saying that "the condition of the real property was consistent with what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after an extended occupancy" (New York Times, 5/19/01).

According to the GAO's Bernard Ungar, "There was no [White House] record kept of any cords being cut or any damage to computers or copiers-- in general there was no proof of anything matching the allegations" (Associated Press, 5/18/01). In short, physical inspections of the buildings did not reveal any obvious damage, and the Bush White House could not document the specific charges that had been made.

Fox's initial reaction was to disown the story. Anchor Tony Snow even offered a partial apology (Fox News Sunday, 5/20/01): "The General Services Administration reported last week that, rumors to the contrary, members of the Clinton administration did not trash the White House or despoil Air Force One, at least according to the evidence available. In response, the ex-president's supporters have besieged pundits like me, folks who rushed to judgment, demanding apologies. OK, I'm sorry.... The ex-president's pals have a legitimate beef."

But less than two weeks later, Fox changed tack. On the Friday, June 1 edition of Special Report with Brit Hume (6/1/01), Hume criticized FAIR by name and argued that the GSA's inspections were insufficient. A report by correspondent Carl Cameron argued that there never was a GAO investigation-- "comprehensive or otherwise"-- and that the GSA had merely performed "a cursory inspection." In short, Fox said the new developments proved nothing. "As for whether or not there was vandalism, it has not been proven or, for that matter, disproven," Cameron said.

For the record, the GSA had a team of staff inside the White House offices from the moment Bush was sworn in through every step of the transition. When asked by the GAO about the vandalism charges-- in what the GAO calls a "preliminary inquiry"-- the GSA reported no observations of vandalism.

At this point, the White House released its newly compiled list of damages. Despite Fox's claim that the list renders the story "basically correct," claims of file cabinets glued shut, paintings torn off the walls, and locks jimmied (alleged by anonymous Bush staffers in the Washington Post, 1/26/01; NBC News, 1/25/01) are now missing from the White House's summary of damages, which is based on the mental recollections of one staffer who only got around to writing them down June 1.

As for the relatively minor damages Bush spokesperson Ari Fleischer did list-- such as cut wires-- when reporters asked if it could have been the work of clumsy maintenance staff, Fleischer indignantly replied that he didn't think the "professionals" who worked for the White House would have made such mistakes. But the GAO's Bernard Ungar was not so hasty (Salon.com, 6/5/01), noting that any damage "might have been the cleanup. That certainly is possible that some of it was not intentional. I just don't know."

That leaves little more than "inoperable keyboards"-- i.e., missing W's-- and handmade signs poking fun at Bush-- what Fleischer calls "graffiti." Those stories were long ago confirmed by Democrats and were never described as "vandalism" or "looting" in the media-- including on Fox. To portray them as some kind of retroactive corroboration for the fevered stories about "the trashing of the White House" stretches credulity.

A story that didn't fly

And let's not forget that Brit Hume, along with dozens of others, falsely reported that Air Force One "was stripped bare. The plane's...porcelain, china, and silverware and salt and pepper shakers, blankets and pillow cases, nearly all items bearing the presidential seal were taken by Clinton staffers" (Special Report with Brit Hume, 1/25/01).

That story, an utter fabrication, was first reported in the Washington Times (1/25/01) and sourced to an Air Force steward who-- intriguingly-- appears to have leaked it on the *same day* Bush administration officials first leaked their own allegations about White House vandalism (DrudgeReport.com, Rich Galen's Mullings.com-- both 1/24/01).

Over the next two weeks, Fleischer and the Bush administration allowed the media to repeat the Air Force One story over and over, almost certainly knowing it was a lie. It was only *after* Andrews Air Force Base took the wind out of the story that Bush acknowledged nothing had been missing from the plane, saying (2/13/01), "All the allegations that they took stuff off of Air Force One is simply not true."

Despite the rumors, no broken items or other physical evidence have been produced by the White House to back up its list. Nor were any records of repairs provided to the press. Photos that the White House shared with reporters do not back up the claims of vandalism (Salon.com, 6/5/01).

The GAO has now restarted its investigation. This time, the White House is cooperating.

"A drastic lowering of standards"

Fox pundits don't always accept the notion that journalism should rely on rumors. When allegations surfaced concerning Republican Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and marital infidelity, Fox political analyst Fred Barnes was not impressed. Barnes-- who had called "the trashing of the White House" a "hot story" four months earlier (1/27/01)-- now had this to say:

"It used to be you heard a rumor, you checked it out, if it checked out and was true, you might write the story, but if it didn't, you wouldn't write anything…. They report rumors now. That's what journalism does. It reports rumor. It's wrong. It's a drastic lowering of standards to do that" (Fox News Channel, 5/14/01).
 
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