Greatest President Ever

Clintons economic boom and the balanced budget wasn't Clinton's doing, it was Newt Gingrich's.
 
Communism was a national scare, any president at that time would try to stop communism if he wanted the approval from the american public. Was it right? Of course not, but the fear of communism drove MANY innocent people getting killed, their lives ruined, and many imprisioned. Have you seen "Good Night and Good Luck"? Hell the fear of Castro with nukes nearly caused a nuclear war, which was missed very very narrowly. Again, it wasn't right, but he did it to not only stop the spread of communism but to please the American public.
 
Well considering state's rights is one of the main issues involved in the civil war, even more so than slavery, isn't it logical that he wanted to abolish the notion? And its not to say state's were helpless following the civil war...it varies president to president as well as the supreme court cases of the times....and the condition of state's rights during the civil war is not really indicative of state's rights now....a lot has happened since.
 
after reading this line and realizing that you are serious, i immediately disregarded the rest of your post because you have absolutely no clue. by the way, you couldn't be more wrong
 
ok Clinton was terrible.....if he wasnt the president he would be going to jail for treason.....he gave away nuclear secrets to the Chinese....what a dumbass.....IMO Reagan blew the competition away and especially if we are talking about the economy....our economy was in the shit hole and then he turned it around and made it one of the best in the world
 
During Clintons last 2 years of presidency we were out of debt and actually making profit those 2 years, yeah he fucked the economy. And I believe Carter and Reagan took the economy out of the shitter in the late 70's early 80's. You're probably an idiot if you think Clinton just gave the chinese nuclear secrets that easily, he didnt just call them up and say "Hey, want to make a nuclear bomb? I'll teach ya".
 
don't use national debt as a reason for a president being good, because we'll never be out of it anyway and a couple billion dollars here and there isn't going to matter.
 
So you think that Lincoln did a good thing by stamping out states rights? And since the civil war states have really lost a significant amount of power, you think that this centralized over controlling system that we have now, is better then a true federalist system? I'm a Political Science major, with a minor in History, so if you think you are smarter then me about issues like this, think again.
 
I do have a clue, i promise you I've studied this so much more then you have. Why do you just naturally assume that Lincoln was a great president, because thats what you learned in grade school?
 
i agree 99% with your list, that is how it is. Mi(Scra)tch, i respectfully disagree with you on this, but i see your point.

mine would go:

FDR- the New Deal reform period didn't do much as far as getting us out of the Depression, but he was way ahead of his time period. you can thank him for Social Security

Eisenhower- American hero, helped stop the spread of communism

TR- he was just fantastic.

then Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington, Reagan.
 
Lincoln - Freed slaves

Eisenhower - stopped communism by inserting a worse gov't for other countrys, wow I don't understand that at ALL.
 
Eisenhower didn't stop communism. Communism stopped itself. I don't know if you haven't realized, but all communist nations are in the shit hole now and have either changed or just stayed communist and lost a lot of global power.

Do you have any idea how the US would react if a foreign country came in and bullied us around and changed our government? Then when it becomes a problem, they just turn their heads and leave. I'm sorry, but that's just a shitty presidential job.

 
Read my above post...why would you disagree with me? Communism stopped on its own. Because of Eisenhower, Hundreds of thousands of people were killed. How can that be a good president?

Also, he had many innocent people thrown in jail because of suspicions.

Do you guys think the judge who condemned people as witches at the Salem Witch Trials was a good man too?
 
Stalin killed MILLIONS of his own people, which is exactly what Eisenhower was trying to prevent, more governments like his.
 
Actually...that's pretty fucking surprising that you have a poli sci major, cause you'd think with that you would realize your opinion isn't the only opinion that exists...or maybe you go to a school that teaches that whatever you think is 100% correct, so fuck everybody else! Cause I mean, it's not like history is open to interpretation or anything. Good job man, you really impressed me with that shit!
 
Uh, let's take a look at China, how many of their own people are killed? They had that run in at Tienanmen square and that's about it. It was completely unnecessary to overthrow those governments, they were peaceful and didn't want anything to do with our assistance, but we forced it on them.

There's no way you can ever say those countries would have killed their own people. I still don't understand why you are defending Eisenhower. All he did was corrupt countries and kill people, he never solved or prevented anything.

Oh and communism had nothing to do with killing his own people, he wasn't even a real communist more of a dictator.
 
whoa whoa whoa...

are you not counting the 60 million people who died under communist rule with Mao, with the civil war and all that, as part of the current government?

Communism in China has killed more people than anywhere else...
 
Yeah you're right, but the way Stalin and Mao interperetated communism was sooo much different. Mao didn't try to spread it anywhere but China.
 
I know exactly what they were, and I'm saying they were total bullshit and Eisenhower set up oppressive governments and influenced mass killings for no reason...that's why he's a bad president.
 
Stalin didn't either, really. His whole spiel was "Communism in One Country", WWII let him take over territory lost in WWI and more stuff to accentuate his power. That communism spread was a mere perk to that, he wasn't actively searching to spread it, it just came with the army.

Agreed both of their views were very different though, Mao was more of a true communist ideal, Stalin a mere dictatorship of his own self. Communist theory didn't play much for him so much as power, and seeing as he had such influence, he could do whatever he wanted and justify it later in terms of socialism...

But yeah, the whole domino effect feared by Eisenhower, Truman, LBJ, everyone, was grossly over-exaggerated and used to justify a lot of wrong doing and errors. Much like today and "terrorism".
 
Bahahaha.

In history we just went over watergate and my teacher was like "Ok what similaritys are there between Nixons scandal and Clintons" and some kid raised his hand and said "Deep throat"
 
I don't have a Poli Sci major yet, but thats what i'm majoring in. And where did i say that my opinion that existed? It would be ridiculous to think that every other opinion is worthless, and i don't. I know that history is open to interpretation, you just disagree with the way that i interpret it, so you're resorting to fickle name calling.

and ps don't cuss it makes you sound extremely immature
 
Learn some economics before you go crediting Reagan, Clinton, or most presidents with solving our economic woes.

Credit for solving the stagflation crisis of the late 70s is usually given to the Federal Reserve Board and its chairman Paul Volcker (who assumed that position during the administration of Jimmy Carter.)

The fed tightened money supply, created the worst recession since the great depression (unemployment hit double digits), but we emerged without the massive inflation that had been crippling us previously.

The Fed, not Reagan, set up the economy for success in the 1980s.
 
Yep, exactly why I said a president doesn't have much control over the economy. The FED does all the number crunching and placement.
 
dang, didnt know china was in a shit hole right now...its not like they are building cities the size of NYC every year..

Iran? no shit hole there

North Korea? if you consider firing practice nuclear missles into the Pacific something that a shit hole nation would do, then they ARE a shit hole.

you're right.
 
your right he didnt just call em up and say that, but he still gave away critical info for nuclear secrets......and if you are the frickin president why cant you control your sexual desires to masturbation until you get out, and if your going to hit up some chick make sure she is hot..
 
woah woah woah, hold on there. mao had pratically no political ideologies. during the revolution in china, when china was controlled by warlords mao actually joined the nationalist party for a brief period of time, and moscaw backed his desicion because they wanted to give money to the group that could take the country. then the nationalits came into control, and decided they no longer needed moscow, and so moscow went back to endorsing the communist party. when the communist party was fighting the nationalists, mao took over peng's army, who controlled a seperate red army from mao, so he could have more power. mao killed tens of thousands of loyal jiangxi red army soldiers because it meant he would look good in the eyes of moscow. mao had practically no political idealogies in the beliefs of communism until he came into power as the leader of china, and even then i would say he was much more of a dictator than communist idealist. mao was an opportunist dictator
 
"And where did i say that my opinion that existed?"

I think its clear you think your opinion exists...if that's what you were trying to say, cause your response was near incoherent.

And ps, dont tell me not to curse, mother. Cause in you trying to sound all big and mature by telling OTHERS not to curse, you, in fact, sound like a big douche muffin.
 
I was saying in the past, but they are still in a shit hole. Just because they are building big cities doesn't mean they are not a shit hole. Indonesia for example.

you're a fucking moron and you know nothing about North Korea. The people there are extremely poor and just because they launched a prehistoric missile doesn't mean they are a shit hole.

How is Iran not a shithole? The quality of life there is horrible.

I don't know what you're smoking, but I want some.
 
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