GOD ISNT REAL

crimson1080: i've been reading a shitload too about dark matter and other effects of the big bang theory. youi make good points, that was a cool post.

PhattTim:as for the fact that you said evolution isn't supported or has no evidenc, thats insane. there is thousunds of books and proven studies that evolution does occur, for example humans from primates. how you can say that evolution isn't sci. supported is beyond me.

....west
 
im gonna try and reduce the intelligence level hhhere by saying......i like tacos

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my intire crew waited for his ass at the bottem of the hill and beat the shit out of him. i broke his poles agianst a tree, and we snapped one of his skis. fucker got uppercutted so much. he was bleeding from his eyes and shit, crying like a little pussy. i busted out a body slam on his ass and broke both of his arms. the ski patroler broke up the fight and clipped all of our tickets. we where gonna beat the shit out of the patroller but my mom came to pick us up.

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I think after all this bickering over shit that in the end doesn't change our lives very much, we should all reflect on the fact that we're skiers and should stick together. skiings all that REALLY matters in the end...

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This is the most pointless pile of bullshit I have ever read, I am now stupider from reading this thread, even though I barely read any of that mumbo-jumbo in those long ass posts, ahahahaha.

 
West: Go look it up mate. They're all supported theories. look at a diagram of the 'stages of evolution'. With all these cute little pictures of half apes and half humans (for which there are actually no skeltons or remains). All these pictures are joined by nice little dotted lines. You explain to me what happens on those dotted lines, you explain to me where those missing links are and what they mean. There's no doubt that you won't be able to, not even the professor of anthropology at my university could explain that to me. So yes, the possibility of us evolving from apes is ubsurd.

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there have been 1000's of skeletons of primates in evolution found. the philadelphia museum of natural science has 17 full skeletons of homo erectus evolving into what is early modern man. (all of which are proven genuine and true by carbon-14 tests)

and as for those 'dotted lines'...if you really wanted a 19ft long poster with absolutly every minor change in the species thats fine, but most classrooms dont have room for it. i really hope you were kidding with the whole dotted line thing, that was really dumb.

i mean no offense, but you put out a lot of points that are really easily explained.

....west
 
Yeah and it's also really true. You explain to me how one of those skeletons 'evolves' into modern man.

There are actually only 6 skeletons that have been found that are even likely to be a part of an evolutionary train. Every single skeleton that has been found has actually been proven to be either completley 100% human or 100% another species.

And every single diagram of 'evolutionary progress' you'll ever see has dotted lines between the stages. My point is that those dotted lines represents what happens between the stages. No one has any idea what happens. There is no proof what-so-ever that any kind of animal has evolved into anything else. None. zippo, nada, not a thing.

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Just to step back in time here, for all those that do not beleive in evolution, why do you think wisdom teeth never fit in our mouths anymore... God must have screwed up i guess.

 
'how do those skeltons evolve?'

when a organism is exposed to a condition or somethin that is hindering them, or is harsh, cells re-grow in adaptation to this. now if you take those tiny adaptations anf put them all together over millions of years they equal huge changes (i.e.- the evolution of thumbs for the purpose of grip and climbing, not found on early homo erectus)

a perfect example of this would be:

Everyone uses anti-bacterial soap today. They are effective, and sanitary. BUT...since their widespead use started, biologists have found cases of 100's of 'super-bacterias'. The reason: the exact same type of bacteria was killed for so long in the same way, that when the cells reproduced, they did so in a way so they were immune to the soap.

now you need to look at organisms as cells, and the earth and elements as soap.

....west
 
Sholy hit. Ok, lemme try and tie everything thats been going on here together. the first half of this thread really helped me out and i had some great things that i wanted to say but the whole talk of the inter-dimensional travel kinda cleared it out, like the Sesame Street skit 'Write it down, write it down!' i just really contested my own faith today after realizing how the season seemed to be going down the tubes and looking at things from the past. i'm not so morose any more though cause my little friend Daniel Jensen made it into the semis at pipe Xquals. pretty good for a kid whos 16 in a few weeks and who has never competed in anything much bigger than an SOS comp. meh, its kind of a personal thing so if you want to hear about it, maybe you can be my friend and i can tell you about it :)... oh fuck me, kick me and lock me in my room i need to sleep.

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West, what you are talking about is called 'mutation', a course of antibiotics or use of anti-biotic soap is not finished and therefore the bacteria then builds up a resistance becuase it is allowed to survive, it mutates and adapts. It is not evolution, nothing to do with it in fact, it's merely the mutation of a little organism.

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West, by your reasoning, and basic theory of evolution, the original bacteria that was being killed by soap would no longer exist. In that way, if we came from apes, they would no longer exist. Like when people say dinosaurs evolved into birds, that's why dinosaurs aren't around today. Why then are apes still here?

basically, lp's a poop. - lizziebeth
 
Exactly, if it is an anology West, it's not a good one, you can't compare 2 things that are completley different.

And dinosaurs didn't evolve into birds, they died. Big explody asteroid thingy probably.

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~

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Yea, the dinosaurs into birds thing is stupid. I was just using that as an example of why we couldn't have come from apes even if evolution did exist.

basically, lp's a poop. - lizziebeth
 
ok this is going nowhere. tim, can we agree to disagree? it's mainly a agrument of person beliefs, and this is getting us nowhere but against eash other.

....west
 
i was actually enjoying it.

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haha, Tim, of course it's an arguement of personal beliefs. And I will always agree to disagree with someone and won't hold their opinion against them unless they're a total cock about it so yeah, it's all good.

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What's funny to me is that people aren't content with not knowing.

OMG I HAVE TO KNOW THE ANSWER

Just sit the fuck back and enjoy it.
 
lol if god made man in his image:

a) god is blind

b) god is just as weak and easily willed as us

c) god is really artistically challenged.

would you believe in a god who sucked at stuff?
 
Heres what I think:

quantum physics tells us that all possibilities of indeterministic events occur simultaneously until there is an observer (The double slit experiment showed electrons interfering with themselves, passing through both slits at once). Moreover, in my reality I can only verify that I am an observer of deterministic events, and there is no way to verify if you are an observer like me. In fact, in my reality, I can logically conclude I am the only observer of events. Thus my observation of reality has taken a single, unique, determined path, different from any other observer. Simply by chance, if quantum physics is true, then other observers must have witnessed a difference occurence of things.

This tells me simply that there is much more to everything than what I can observe within time and space. More over, it tells me that my single life is unique not only in the way I have observed the outcomes of indeterministic events, but in the fact that my life has been determined and does not exist in a quantum state. I wonder, if i die, will everything return to inifinity and indeterminism?

The unqiueness and specialness of my own life suggests something special and confirms something else exists. Whether or not that is the christian god is debatable. But it is equally stupid and very naive and simple-minded to say science doesnt indicate any other "god."

If anything, science very greatly supports the specialness of life, not life as we witness it around us, but life as we witness our own. After all, if we were simply what chemistry and physics say we are, why are we not all 3rd person objects? Why am I observing me as me?

Sure I could think, but that doesnt prove I am as descartes said. My dog thinks. I can deduce he thinks through his actions. Does that prove he is though? Could be a figment of my imagination...

 
"The eternally incomprehensible about the world is its comprehensibility".

Einstein

This means that Atheist scientists, who put their faith in the rationality of the scientific method, have no grounds for this belief. If the universe was created by chance comprehensibility would be non-existent and the scientific method couldn't be trusted. This means atheists have 'blind-faith,' not christians as the only way the intelligibility of the universe could be explained is by a rational creator.
 
Lol virgin births... This picture sums up the whole religion pretty nicely.

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qft.

though rational is something we have a limited conception of. We can only imagine rationality to be what we experience as rationality.
 
i just hate when atheists try to push their beliefs on other people. if someone decides to blindly follow their own concept of god, who are you to ridicule them for it. there may be no evidence for god's existence, but their isn't any evidence against it either. Believe what you want to believe and then shut the fuck up.
 
Nobody would care if someones a christian (or beliefs in any god) if they wouldn't make the world a bad place.
 
well for the most part i don't think they do, i know i was trying to give back tot he community this summer by doing some volunteer work, and what i found out is most of the community services available are run by churches. i didn't participate in those because i do like the idea of pushing beliefs on top people i am helping, but the fact remains that religion does give allot back to our community,

and at an individual level, i know alot of people in which religion is the only thing that keeps them going in life. my aunt has schizophrenia and is pretty much depended on other people for most of everything she does. she has no real relationships outside of our family, however she is very religious and has the strength to keep going because she feels that everything is part of gods will.
 
I, like a few other people in this thread, was born and raised Catholic. I am confirmed and attended catholic school for 9 years. When i became old enough to start understanding science i started to doubt god. Long story short i'm not cathic anymore.

There's been a lot of discussion about the credibility of the bible, and how it couldnt be a hoax because everyone believed in it, but that doesnt make any sense. First of all the Gospells were written 40+ years after jesus died. Thats fishy because people didnt live to be older than forty to often. Secondly christianity developed and grew in rome, thousands of miles from where the gospels took place. At the time the jews had an established religion. They did think Jesus was a hoax. We have to remember have ignorant the average person was 2000 years ago, and how there was no media to denouce the bible. I find it incredibly plausible for the decendents of Jesus (who WERE EXILED for what they believed in) to move a few thousand miles, and convince poor underclass romans that Jesus was the son of god. They could have said whatever they wanted, because there was no media to refute them. I think the old testement is a different story.

On a side note, I think that anyone who wont consider evolution, because they believe in god, vise versa is ignorant . There is absolutly no reason the two ideas cant stand together.
 
its called faith. you dont need proof to believe there is a god. you should just believe in what you read. jesus actually lived and he is the son of god.
 
The Christians in this thread make me laugh

So do the atheists

Science is a religion, just because a system is true unto itself doesn't make it valid

Better to look for answers than to find them
 
NSG shitstorms seemed a lot cooler back in the day haha..

And there have been sooo many shit storms lately haha, like TOOO many..
 
here's my two cents. there is competition among every form of life on earth.

example: there are two tigers. they both see an animal with a broken leg and go after it. they fight each other for the food. one of the tigers is stronger and faster than the other tiger. that tiger lives, wins the meal, and goes on to live another day and reproduce little tigers that carry the same genetic traits as it.

THIS IS CALLED EVOLUTION

is god real? i don't know. i don't think i'm informed enough to make a decision on this.

is evolution real? duh.
 
Solid thread well said with intelligent points to back your theory up give yourself a pat on the back you earned it. :)
 
dX*dP > h(bar)/2 AND E(psi)=H(psi)

I see potential for a God to work in the universe through these two equations (and the time dependent version of equation two). Where's my cookie?
 
Well put. I'm not going to force my opinions on anyone because it's your life, believe what you want. I do think the thread title "GOD ISNT REAL" might be a little insensitive/harsh but as always to each his own. that is all
 
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hello, you have just explained evolution. evolution IS a series of mutations that something makes when it finds a better way to do things; it evolves into its own niche.

i don't understand how you thing evolution is so insane considering you just explained it.

and your bio teacher obviously does not study evolution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c2mjq2n3Yg
 
First off, people back then actually lived longer, thats just a fact, christian or non christian will tell you that.And for the "anyone who wont consider evolution, because they believe in god" part, In general, people who believe in God believe in the bible, and the bible clearly states that we were created in His image which completely throws out evolution.

as for someone like you who doesn't believe in the bible, that argument doesn't work.

When you say that the old testament is a different story, its a little contradicting just cause the bible is one thing, the new and old testament together form the bible. also there are many different prophecies in the old testament referring to Jesus
 
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