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12998218:Scaredwhiteboy said:
As an unmarried man, I currently don't get any of that, and I'm still doing just fine. Like I said, it's a mild nuisance.
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You're probably also 17, have next to no income... No kids... No taxes... No real responsibility

No brain
 
12998223:theBearJew said:
So then why get married at all if you dont love the person and they mean nothing to you but a tax advantage? What would the marriage mean to you in that situation?
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And if you can be so kind as to answer what marriage even means to you at all. Not talking the situation I posed, but marriage in general.
 
12998223:theBearJew said:
So then why get married at all if you dont love the person and they mean nothing to you but a tax advantage? What would the marriage mean to you in that situation?
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I don't understand the question. I never said I would marry somebody I didn't love. The only reason I could see for doing so is to help a foreigner get US citizenship. I would never marry somebody for government benefits and I don't think many people do.

In response to your second question, marriage to me is the act of swearing your undying love and loyalty to a sexual partner. The need for marriage arises from the fact that raising a child is very difficult for one person to do alone. Before intending reproduce, people get married so that they have reassurance that they will have somebody to help them raise their child.
 
12998282:Scaredwhiteboy said:
I don't understand the question. I never said I would marry somebody I didn't love. The only reason I could see for doing so is to help a foreigner get US citizenship. I would never marry somebody for government benefits and I don't think many people do.

In response to your second question, marriage to me is the act of swearing your undying love and loyalty to a sexual partner. The need for marriage arises from the fact that raising a child is very difficult for one person to do alone. Before intending reproduce, people get married so that they have reassurance that they will have somebody to help them raise their child.
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My first question was meant to point out that the fact that they have the right to marry someone they will never love or be attracted to doesn't make it equal, it makes it meaningless. You even agreed that many don't marry just for government benefits, they do for love.

So how can you believe that it equal to be allowed to marry only the opposite sex? They aren't marrying that person for what marriage is designed to be, as you said "the act of swearing your undying love and loyalty to a sexual partner." You are denying them the ability of a true marriage. Yet you are saying that is equality... I just don't see your rationale.

As for your idea that marriage is the reassurance that they will have somebody to help raise a family, what is divorce? 40 to 50 percent of married couples in the United States divorce. So that give you a 40-50% chance to not have someone there to raise your family with. Plenty of people get married and never have kids, and plenty of people have kids without getting married. Yes, children are a large factor in getting married, but not the only.
 
12998125:theabortionator said:
Again it isn't a choice. I didn't wake up one day and say "I think I'm going to become something that sends me to hell, my parents and pretty much all my family will hate me for, my friends will bail on me for, and other negative things"

I didn't decide "I'm tired of seeing the same pair of tits over and over, dump my girlfriend and start getting off to dudes"

If you were working a job with a black guy and you made it known that you had a problem with him, and made it a repeated thing, do you think it would be fucked for a company to get rid of you? It really doesn't matter what you believe, if you make an environment where other people can't work because of your prejudices, that's on you.

Nobody is saying you can't hate gay people, or black people, or think that eating turkey is a sin. Just don't start shit in the workplace or fuck up my thanksgiving dinner.

As far as the workplace, I've only experienced it from the other side. One mountain I worked at for 3 years had to deal with a douche boss going around and telling kids to not be friends with me because I was gay. I drove over an hour each way on shit roads to work my ass off and barely make any profit after gas to try and build a good park for the kids. I didn't do anything about it because I did want the attention from people like you. "Gay man tries to ruin the careers of everyone around him because he's gay....."

You can believe what ever the fuck you want to believe, but if it's ignorant as fuck you might want to keep it to yourself.
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It's funny because he's black.

12998134:yoski. said:
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Haha, did anyone not notice the made up books of the bible?
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I did. Work on reading comprehension.
 
12997814:ElGato said:
It's okay when it's used in discussion like this. It's more when it's used as an insult or in any negative connotation. But yeah this shit's prob going to get deleted anyway. If it makes it to page 2 I will be so proud of NS.
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This thread went potatoes somewhere on page 2.

People use every type of slur imaginable on this site. If someone uses Gay, or the N or R words, I don't take it that they are hating on homosexuals, black people or people with downs syndrome. I take it that they are just pissed at the person they are replying to. If you are comfortable in your own skin it doesn't matter.

One thing I disagree with is the blanket statement that nobody chooses to be gay. I personally know people who went gay for awhile and are now straighter than an arrow. I also know gay people who were clearly born that way.

I am Catholic, and I believe that all people are born perfect. If people are born perfect and some people are born gay; how can it be a sin?
 
12998297:theBearJew said:
So how can you believe that it equal to be allowed to marry only the opposite sex? They aren't marrying that person for what marriage is designed to be, as you said "the act of swearing your undying love and loyalty to a sexual partner." You are denying them the ability of a true marriage. Yet you are saying that is equality... I just don't see your rationale.
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I can believe that current marriage is equal because it is. All men have the exact same marriage rights. That's the practically the definition of equality. Our marriage laws are not unequal just because one segment of the population wants to do something that's prohibited. Plenty of people want to smoke weed or snort coke and can't, but others can smoke tobacco and drink whiskey. Does that mean drug law is discriminatory and unequal?
 
12998326:Scaredwhiteboy said:
I can believe that current marriage is equal because it is. All men have the exact same marriage rights. That's the practically the definition of equality. Our marriage laws are not unequal just because one segment of the population wants to do something that's prohibited. Plenty of people want to smoke weed or snort coke and can't, but others can smoke tobacco and drink whiskey. Does that mean drug law is discriminatory and unequal?
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By that logic slavery is legal. All blacks had the exact same rights, to be slaves. So that's equal, so that's okay.

Marriage equality is not about everyone being allowed to marry a member of the opposite sex because everyone has the equal right to, it is about having the right to marry anyone you want to as you said earlier, "to swear your undying love and loyalty to a sexual partner". You are denying people the equal right to do that by denying gay marriage. How is that equal??
 
12998333:theBearJew said:
By that logic slavery is legal. All blacks had the exact same rights, to be slaves. So that's equal, so that's okay.
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Don't be ridiculous. Whether or not something is equal does not determine whether or not it should be legal. Also, slavery wasn't equal because blacks and whites did not have equal rights under law.

12998333:theBearJew said:
Marriage equality is not about everyone being allowed to marry a member of the opposite sex because everyone has the equal right to, it is about having the right to marry anyone you want to as you said earlier, "to swear your undying love and loyalty to a sexual partner". You are denying people the equal right to do that by denying gay marriage. How is that equal??
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For the love of God, stop repeating yourself. I've already answered how current marriage rights are equal (because gays and straights have exactly equal marriage rights under law). It's time you stop ignoring polygamous and incestuous marriage. If you think everybody should have the right to marry who they love, why haven't I heard a squeak out of you in support of these issues?
 
i think the whole problem with gay rights today is that people are trying to get it done so fast. It's going to take a really long time to be accepted by everybody, if that will ever happen. But I have seriously doubt it will happen in my lifetime. Its gunna be a marathon, not a sprint
 
12998326:Scaredwhiteboy said:
I can believe that current marriage is equal because it is. All men have the exact same marriage rights. That's the practically the definition of equality. Our marriage laws are not unequal just because one segment of the population wants to do something that's prohibited. Plenty of people want to smoke weed or snort coke and can't, but others can smoke tobacco and drink whiskey. Does that mean drug law is discriminatory and unequal?
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Drug law is incredibly discriminatory. See crack versus regular cocaine.
 
12998350:Iraq_Lobster said:
i think the whole problem with gay rights today is that people are trying to get it done so fast. It's going to take a really long time to be accepted by everybody, if that will ever happen. But I have seriously doubt it will happen in my lifetime. Its gunna be a marathon, not a sprint
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i really think its identical to the civil rights movement. and even now, we still have some issues with race. i agree on the marathon part. its going to be a long process before people accept it.
 
12998344:Scaredwhiteboy said:
Don't be ridiculous. Whether or not something is equal does not determine whether or not it should be legal. Also, slavery wasn't equal because blacks and whites did not have equal rights under law.

For the love of God, stop repeating yourself. I've already answered how current marriage rights are equal (because gays and straights have exactly equal marriage rights under law). It's time you stop ignoring polygamous and incestuous marriage. If you think everybody should have the right to marry who they love, why haven't I heard a squeak out of you in support of these issues?
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You were comparing gay marriage to cocaine users so I figured that me comparing it to slavery would be okay.

You are agreeing with me yet you don't. I'm repeating myself because I'm trying to make you see that straight people and gay people don't have equal rights, which you agree isn't right.

As for incest and polygamy, first I'll go at polygamy, I don't give a shit if you have 5 wives. If the 6 of you are happy and in love go for it. Really don't care. People think its hard explaining 2 men or 2 women being married to their kids, try explaining to your kid that person has 6 women to fuck and they only fuck him. Then try to explain to a horny teen that he shouldn't do those things, like adultery, unless you're married to all of them.

Incest, I think its fucking disgusting, but if you feel like you love your sister/brother, go for it. Get married, it really doesn't matter to me. Nor does it effect my life at all. However, a child of an incestuous marriage can have increased chance of getting a rare genetic disease and a weakened immune system. So because that child has no say in that matter I don't think they should be allowed to have kids. Adopt if you please, but can't have an offspring as you are knowingly subjecting that child to potential life threatening diseases.
 
12998354:*CUMMINGS* said:
Drug law is incredibly discriminatory. See crack versus regular cocaine.
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Drug law is only discriminatory in the sense that blacks are prosecuted at a much higher rate than whites despite relatively equal usage rates. Drug law is not discriminatory in the sense that it prevents people from doing what the want. Just the same as marriage law is not discriminatory against gays because it prevents them from doing what they want and murder law is not discriminatory against murderers because it prevents them from doing what they want. Just because what you want to do is illegal, doesn't mean you're being discriminated against.
 
12998363:theBearJew said:
You were comparing gay marriage to cocaine users so I figured that me comparing it to slavery would be okay.

You are agreeing with me yet you don't. I'm repeating myself because I'm trying to make you see that straight people and gay people don't have equal rights, which you agree isn't right.
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No. All people have exactly marriage rights as I've told you time and time again. If you think those marriage rights should be expanded (i.e: allowing same-sex marriage), that's a different issue. That's an issue of personal freedom, not equality. Just the same as cocaine use is an issue of personal freedom, not equality.

12998363:theBearJew said:
As for incest and polygamy, first I'll go at polygamy, I don't give a shit if you have 5 wives. If the 6 of you are happy and in love go for it.
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People can't "go for it" because the law doesn't allow it.

12998363:theBearJew said:
Incest, I think its fucking disgusting, but if you feel like you love your sister/brother, go for it. Get married, it really doesn't matter to me. Nor does it effect my life at all. However, a child of an incestuous marriage can have increased chance of getting a rare genetic disease and a weakened immune system. So because that child has no say in that matter I don't think they should be allowed to have kids. Adopt if you please, but can't have an offspring as you are knowingly subjecting that child to potential life threatening diseases.
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Women who are 40 years old have a 12.5x higher chance of having a baby with Down's Syndrome than 25 year old women. Should they be prohibited from having children as well? What about the millions of people who have a genetic predisposition for certain diseases?
 
12998366:Scaredwhiteboy said:
Drug law is only discriminatory in the sense that blacks are prosecuted at a much higher rate than whites despite relatively equal usage rates. Drug law is not discriminatory in the sense that it prevents people from doing what the want. Just the same as marriage law is not discriminatory against gays because it prevents them from doing what they want and murder law is not discriminatory against murderers because it prevents them from doing what they want. Just because what you want to do is illegal, doesn't mean you're being discriminated against.
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Nope, crack generally has much harsher penalties inherent to use, despite being quite comparable to regular cocaine. If that's not discriminatory in the base sense I don't know what is.
 
What I mean't by "Go for it" is it doesn't bother me, so I wouldn't care if it was legally allowed.

So what you are saying is that if the movement was change to marriage expansion rather than marriage equality, you would be okay with it?
 
Wow that actually was a very successful troll. Surprised no one called him on it.
 
12998392:*CUMMINGS* said:
Nope, crack generally has much harsher penalties inherent to use, despite being quite comparable to regular cocaine. If that's not discriminatory in the base sense I don't know what is.
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That's not really discrimination, though. Just different punishment for different things. Crack is thought to be more addictive because of the fact that it has more immediate effects than regular cocaine.
 
12998428:Scaredwhiteboy said:
That's not really discrimination, though. Just different punishment for different things. Crack is thought to be more addictive because of the fact that it has more immediate effects than regular cocaine.
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I'd disagree, Crack is thought of (potentially truthfully) as being primarily used by lower class African Americans

Cocaine is thought of (potentially truthfully although ever evolving as the prices is driven down) as being primarily used by upper class whites.

They are essentially the same drug with the same active ingredients yet people like Rep. Trey Radel from Florida, get 1 year probation for purchasing 3.5 grams of Coke, and then those in possession of crack cocaine face mandatory minimums.

There is a huge disparity in how possession of these substances-albeit virtually the same are seen under the law, and I believe wholeheartedly that the disparity was born influenced by race.
 
12998428:Scaredwhiteboy said:
That's not really discrimination, though. Just different punishment for different things. Crack is thought to be more addictive because of the fact that it has more immediate effects than regular cocaine.
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The stigma and "target" of the users is different though.

Crack is typical cheaper in found in lower socioeconomic situations, and often is associated with the african american population.

Cocaine however is associated with higher incomes and whites.

If you're a minority found with crack, your sentence and charges will likely be harder than a white found with the same substance.
 
Well I'll be damned, yoski is the first successful troll I've seen in a good while, hats off to you sir, you have succeeded in the pursuit of rustled jimmies
 
12998470:yoski. said:
Who said that African Americans are lower class you racist.

Also, Rep. Radel got probation because he was a congressman, simple as that, it had nothing to do with race.
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Income by race in the United States, the lowest income is almost always found in minorities.

Radel is in a position of power, it really wasn't about race.
 
12997927:yoski. said:
For me this is a simple issue of whether you believe in the lord and savior himself jesus christ or not. If you look at the books of revelations and the gospel of Thomas you will clear see specific sections pointing out gods truth about quote unquote homosexulaty.

Genesis 2:18-25 says that god designed marriage between a man and a woman.

This is for a few specific reasons:

The complementary structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the normal husband-wife relationships. Clearly, design in human biology supports heterosexuality and contradicts homosexuality.

The combination of male and female enables man (and the animals) to produce and nurture offspring as commanded in Genesis 1:28 “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth.” This command is repeated to Noah after the Flood (Genesis 8:15-17).

But procreation is not the only reason God made humans as sexual beings. The gospel of Thomas affirms “that sexual intimacy between husband and wife is good, and is intended by God for bonding, pleasure and procreation.”

God gave man and woman complementary roles in order to strengthen the family unit. Woman was to be the helper that man needed (Genesis 2:18). However, the woman’s role as the helpmate is certainly not an inferior one. The enterprising, God-fearing woman in Proverbs 31:10-31 is an inspiring role model.
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I know plenty of Christians who have nothing against gays, besides GOD ISN"T REAL
 
12997889:yoski. said:
Why is there anything with wrong being "homophobic" in todays society?

Just cause I think it is disgusting for a man to make the choice to stick his penis up another man's excrement hole doesn't mean I'm a terrible person. It is a sick lifestyle choice that I don't approve of.

I hate how the homo supporters are like EQUAL RIGHTS for EVERYONE, except for people who don't support them. Hypocrites.
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This
 
Hey yoski, you do realize you're home state (freakin' IOWA) has same-sex marriage legalized there? You are making yourself sound like you belong in the dirty south, if not Utah. Not to mention, the Bible isn't the best form of proving any valid arguments. Sorry.

Back onto the topic. I support same-sex marriage because there's absolutely no valid reason why it shouldn't be legalized. Fortunately, same-sex marriage is legal in the northeastern tip of the U.S., especially NY. Also they're able to keep families alive. How?

Adoption.
 
You guys are giving a word more power than it really has or deserves. I am perfectly okay with all kinds of sexuality and sexual equality. However, when I call someone a faggot, it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's sexual orientation. I called him a faggot because he was being a faggot. Simple as that. Words can carry more than one meaning when used in different ways. The word faggot has three I can think of off the top of my head. Only one of them is a word I consider offensive. By tabooing the use of the benign meanings, you give power to the malignant one.
 
12998815:Brule. said:
Hey yoski, you do realize you're home state (freakin' IOWA) has same-sex marriage legalized there? You are making yourself sound like you belong in the dirty south, if not Utah. Not to mention, the Bible isn't the best form of proving any valid arguments. Sorry.

Back onto the topic. I support same-sex marriage because there's absolutely no valid reason why it shouldn't be legalized. Fortunately, same-sex marriage is legal in the northeastern tip of the U.S., especially NY. Also they're able to keep families alive. How?

Adoption.
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supreme court ordered utah to recognize same-sex marriages. so its basically legal here.
 
12997804:DeebieSkeebies said:
gotta disagree with you there. nothing satire about calling someone a faggot at all.
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its a word so dont get worked up over it. if you care about your feelings this isnt the website to do so. lets be realistic, no one in here is really a homophobe (please correct me if i am wrong) and by us saying "op is a faggot" or "op likes dick" or "op is gay" does not make us a homophobe.
 
12998942:DeebieSkeebies said:
supreme court ordered utah to recognize same-sex marriages. so its basically legal here.
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Well damn. Either way, doesn't Arizona not recognize same-sex marriage?
 
12998976:Turd.Ferguson said:
its a word so dont get worked up over it. if you care about your feelings this isnt the website to do so. lets be realistic, no one in here is really a homophobe (please correct me if i am wrong) and by us saying "op is a faggot" or "op likes dick" or "op is gay" does not make us a homophobe.
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if anything, the people that are defending the use of faggot are the ones getting worked up, like yourself.
 
12998976:Turd.Ferguson said:
its a word so dont get worked up over it. if you care about your feelings this isnt the website to do so. lets be realistic, no one in here is really a homophobe (please correct me if i am wrong) and by us saying "op is a faggot" or "op likes dick" or "op is gay" does not make us a homophobe.
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It doesn't make you a homophobe, but it sure as hell perpetuates homophobia.
 
I have bounded respect for gay people. I inherently dislike most people, and within those parameters I dislike homosexuals the same amount. In general, I don't like or dislike gay people any more or less than straight people.

Although homosexuals are more noble than heterosexuals in that they don't produce offspring.
 
12999185:lIllI said:
I have bounded respect for gay people. I inherently dislike most people, and within those parameters I dislike homosexuals the same amount. In general, I don't like or dislike gay people any more or less than straight people.

Although homosexuals are more noble than heterosexuals in that they don't produce offspring.
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This is the first post that I have genuinely enjoyed reading in this thread
 
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