bermbuster49
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ryano
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cgski summed it up fairly well..
the bible states to abstain from sexual immorality, and clearly defines what marriage is suppose to be, and the boundaries of sexuality.. therefore, since homosexuality is out of those boundries, and that is not the way God intended it to be. i disagree with it.
NOW, that does NOT mean i hate the gay dude(or lesbian). i know and have met a lot of gay people. and i respect them, work along side them, and laugh and talk with them. i just disagree with their lifestyle and decisions. i like the person, just not their sin.
again, its the same thing with a porn star.. do i agree with their lifestyle and choices? no. does that mean i hate them? no. it doesnt.
the bible states to abstain from sexual immorality, and clearly defines what marriage is suppose to be, and the boundaries of sexuality.. therefore, since homosexuality is out of those boundries, and that is not the way God intended it to be. i disagree with it.
NOW, that does NOT mean i hate the gay dude(or lesbian). i know and have met a lot of gay people. and i respect them, work along side them, and laugh and talk with them. i just disagree with their lifestyle and decisions. i like the person, just not their sin.
again, its the same thing with a porn star.. do i agree with their lifestyle and choices? no. does that mean i hate them? no. it doesnt.
AwR
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just a simple google search.
1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35*
34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.(Woman to be silent in church. A woman is not to speak in church)
Ephesians 5:22 - 25*
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;(Wives must submit themselves to their husband, afterall he is the head of the wife)
Colossians 3:18 *
18. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.(Wives submit to their husband -- the Lord expects it)
1 Timothy 2:9 - 15*
9. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.(Women not to wear braided hair, gold, pearls, or costly array.
Women must learn in silence. Women are not to teach and not have
authority over men. Women must be silent. Adam was created first,
then Eve. A woman was deceived, but Adam was not deceived)
Romans 7:2
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.(woman bound to her husband for life)
Titus 2:3 - 5*
3 The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.(Women to obey their own husbands)
1 Peter 3:1 -3
1. Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2 While they behold your chaste conversation [coupled] with fear.
3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
1 Peter 3:5 -7*
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with [them] according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
Genesis 3:16*
16. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.(Women will be ruled by men)
Leviticus 12:2 *
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.
Leviticus 12:5
5 But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.(Woman unclean for 7 days if she gives birth to a man child.
She is unclean for 14 days to 66 days if she gives birth to woman child)
Esther 1:22
22 For he sent letters into all the king's provinces, into every province according to the writing thereof, and to every people after their language, that every man should bear rule in his own house, and that [it] should be published according to the language of every people.
Job 25:4 *
4 How then can man be justified with God? or , how can he be clean [that is] born of a woman?(Any man born of a woman is unclean)
Ecclesiastes 7:26
26 And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart [is] snares and nets, [and] her hands [as] bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.( Women can be source of evil for men. Men source of evil for
women? -- doesn't say)
Deuteronomy 22:5 *
5. The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.( Women not to wear pants, nor men to wear dresses)
Oh and my personal favorite
In Genesis chapter 3, God punishes Eve, and all women for thousands of years, with greatly increased pain during childbirth. No such pain is inflicted on Adam.
1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35*
34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.(Woman to be silent in church. A woman is not to speak in church)
Ephesians 5:22 - 25*
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;(Wives must submit themselves to their husband, afterall he is the head of the wife)
Colossians 3:18 *
18. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.(Wives submit to their husband -- the Lord expects it)
1 Timothy 2:9 - 15*
9. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.(Women not to wear braided hair, gold, pearls, or costly array.
Women must learn in silence. Women are not to teach and not have
authority over men. Women must be silent. Adam was created first,
then Eve. A woman was deceived, but Adam was not deceived)
Romans 7:2
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.(woman bound to her husband for life)
Titus 2:3 - 5*
3 The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.(Women to obey their own husbands)
1 Peter 3:1 -3
1. Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2 While they behold your chaste conversation [coupled] with fear.
3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
1 Peter 3:5 -7*
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with [them] according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
Genesis 3:16*
16. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.(Women will be ruled by men)
Leviticus 12:2 *
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.
Leviticus 12:5
5 But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.(Woman unclean for 7 days if she gives birth to a man child.
She is unclean for 14 days to 66 days if she gives birth to woman child)
Esther 1:22
22 For he sent letters into all the king's provinces, into every province according to the writing thereof, and to every people after their language, that every man should bear rule in his own house, and that [it] should be published according to the language of every people.
Job 25:4 *
4 How then can man be justified with God? or , how can he be clean [that is] born of a woman?(Any man born of a woman is unclean)
Ecclesiastes 7:26
26 And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart [is] snares and nets, [and] her hands [as] bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.( Women can be source of evil for men. Men source of evil for
women? -- doesn't say)
Deuteronomy 22:5 *
5. The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.( Women not to wear pants, nor men to wear dresses)
Oh and my personal favorite
In Genesis chapter 3, God punishes Eve, and all women for thousands of years, with greatly increased pain during childbirth. No such pain is inflicted on Adam.
ryano
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context dude. seriously.
1 cor. 14:34-35 is talking about women in position of power.
ephesians 5.. it is a very indepth subject about the way a marriage is suppose to be, comparing it to the way the church is suppose to be with acting in accordance with the lord. you forget to add the verses a little ways down that talks about how husbands are suppose to treat their wives. "25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."
the colossians passage.. you again, forget to add the part of what the husband is suppose to do.. "18 Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them.
20 Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.
21 Fathers,[c] do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged." you take things way out of context, you say one part only to not add the 2nd part.
the romans passage, is talking about once you are married, you are bound to one another by law. its not meaning she is his slave. its also implying that you are suppose to be married until one of you dies.
i would look up more, but i have to leave now.
1 cor. 14:34-35 is talking about women in position of power.
ephesians 5.. it is a very indepth subject about the way a marriage is suppose to be, comparing it to the way the church is suppose to be with acting in accordance with the lord. you forget to add the verses a little ways down that talks about how husbands are suppose to treat their wives. "25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."
the colossians passage.. you again, forget to add the part of what the husband is suppose to do.. "18 Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them.
20 Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.
21 Fathers,[c] do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged." you take things way out of context, you say one part only to not add the 2nd part.
the romans passage, is talking about once you are married, you are bound to one another by law. its not meaning she is his slave. its also implying that you are suppose to be married until one of you dies.
i would look up more, but i have to leave now.
ryano
Active member
i have heard so many in depth sermons, and studies on all of those passages you listed out.
i garentee if you took the time to listen to one sermon i would link you to, and actually listened to it, you could not argue against it. and it would make so much more sense.
hit me up if you want the link. i'll find the sermon online for you. seriously.
i just scratch the surface of what you could take about with the passages you quoted. and the last 3 or 4 were old testament as well..
i garentee if you took the time to listen to one sermon i would link you to, and actually listened to it, you could not argue against it. and it would make so much more sense.
hit me up if you want the link. i'll find the sermon online for you. seriously.
i just scratch the surface of what you could take about with the passages you quoted. and the last 3 or 4 were old testament as well..
WhiteDynamite
Member
OP, it seriously bothers me that you began by complaining about anti-Christian jokes/humor/stereotypes on this website, but you are so quick to say that "Islamic people" blow people up for their religion. The fact that you describe them as such and not Muslims shows your true comprehension of what the religion is really about. And to assume that there aren't Christian extremists is a common misconception, too. The conflict that has been going on in Northern Ireland between Catholics and Protestants has killed thousands. In the 1920's, the KKK targeted a large amount of Catholics in the United States, as well, but we don't label the entire American Protestant population as violent like we do with Islam and Muslim terrorists. Just my 2 cents...
cwillygood
Active member
does that make you feel better? bashing others beliefs, honestly there was no need for that
Yeah there was. I laughed.
cwillygood
Active member
well as long as your happy
Skavengers303
Member
Nah man, I wasn't literally calling you sexist and racist. I was more saying that if you going to defend anti-homosexuality attitudes by using the bible, you must also accept every other statement from the bible as well. you can't just pick and choose which passages are correct.
And the part about women serving men is in the book of genesis, when eve got caught by god for eating the apple. He punishes her with the pains of child birth and forever serving men.
You are correct about me not reading much of the bible though, i have read the old testement a couple times but only a couple random parables and shit from the new testament.
And the part about women serving men is in the book of genesis, when eve got caught by god for eating the apple. He punishes her with the pains of child birth and forever serving men.
You are correct about me not reading much of the bible though, i have read the old testement a couple times but only a couple random parables and shit from the new testament.
Paul.Marik
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I think what he meant was that some people on here bash Christianity more than Islam. And BOTH of them have their few people who give each religion a bad wrap but for some reason Christians are still the ones critisized the most. Hope that didnt make it more confusing but i think i get what hes getting at.
If there were more muslims on this forum islam would come up more often and get bashed.
Paul.Marik
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yea true
cwillygood
Active member
its all good man, i understand what your saying, your are correct when God punishes women with child birth, but God also punishes man too
but its w.e. everyone has their beliefs
but its w.e. everyone has their beliefs
Wis_Skier_23
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You are clearly a little off base here. The Bible clearly states in Genesis that He (God) created the earth, man, universe and everything in it in 6 days, and he rested on the 7th day. Never in the Bible did he say he created all of the matter in the universe into a small ball which exploded. Clearly you cannot have both read Genesis 1-2 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1-2&version=NIV
Regarding homosexuality it was clearly stated earlier in this thread that God hates the sin of homosexuality but loves the sinner. I do not agree with homosexuality but I do not hate them. God clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination. So supporting the gay movement as a Christian is clearly going against what you claim to believe.
Leviticus 18:22:
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Regarding homosexuality it was clearly stated earlier in this thread that God hates the sin of homosexuality but loves the sinner. I do not agree with homosexuality but I do not hate them. God clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination. So supporting the gay movement as a Christian is clearly going against what you claim to believe.
Leviticus 18:22:
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
MFM
Member
we're all going to Hell!
"Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee" (Leviticus 19:19).
fuck the bible get over your stupid book and make your own decisions.What do you mean by a 'real' christian op?
"Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee" (Leviticus 19:19).
fuck the bible get over your stupid book and make your own decisions.What do you mean by a 'real' christian op?
"Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight."
"“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God. "
"Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord; be assured, he will not go unpunished. "
Abominations in the religious don't seem to be that big of a deal. Just sayin
"“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God. "
"Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord; be assured, he will not go unpunished. "
Abominations in the religious don't seem to be that big of a deal. Just sayin
Troy.
Active member
I am supportive of homosexuals in every way and am not bothered by them, as I am related to a bakers dozen of them.
Its already been established that the Bible is not to be taken literally. If you did, it would be a weird life one would have to read, there is a book about it, but the name escapes me. People mainly take the Bible literally when it they need to. Aziz Ansari talks about this in one of his standup acts, that if people have the opportunity to use a higher power to support their cause even if its full of shit, they will. If you had the opportunity to use the bible to keep guys who are 210 lbs and wear XXS pink polos, you would too. They use the Bible so their hatred of gays do not come from a place of hatred, and instead a higher power.
That said, not everyone falls under that category, but I'd wager that most would.
Its already been established that the Bible is not to be taken literally. If you did, it would be a weird life one would have to read, there is a book about it, but the name escapes me. People mainly take the Bible literally when it they need to. Aziz Ansari talks about this in one of his standup acts, that if people have the opportunity to use a higher power to support their cause even if its full of shit, they will. If you had the opportunity to use the bible to keep guys who are 210 lbs and wear XXS pink polos, you would too. They use the Bible so their hatred of gays do not come from a place of hatred, and instead a higher power.
That said, not everyone falls under that category, but I'd wager that most would.
paige.
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This in know way counteracts the previous verses outlining how woman is subordinate to her husband.
Man is given power over his wife. He is then ordered to not abuse this power and to treat her will. That is FAR FAR FAR from equality. The fact you think it is is a terrifying thought.
Yes you've heard sermons about it. Those sermons were from men (and hopefully some women) providing their own interpretations of the bible. Interpretations that allow to accept and feel ok with their religion and ignore the parts that are less PC in our current culture. This seems like picking and choosing to me.
Man is given power over his wife. He is then ordered to not abuse this power and to treat her will. That is FAR FAR FAR from equality. The fact you think it is is a terrifying thought.
Yes you've heard sermons about it. Those sermons were from men (and hopefully some women) providing their own interpretations of the bible. Interpretations that allow to accept and feel ok with their religion and ignore the parts that are less PC in our current culture. This seems like picking and choosing to me.
Troy.
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This thread only works if everyone is respectful of each other. No one is bashing atheists, so I'd ask that you don't bash Christians. This just an insight into another perspective which you don't hold (nothing wrong with that).
Go back and read OP, and you'll know what he means.
Go back and read OP, and you'll know what he means.
cwillygood
Active member
i agree
i think we can have a good thread talking about these issues without totally bashing Christians and Christianity
i think we can have a good thread talking about these issues without totally bashing Christians and Christianity
feihlination
Active member
yeah because nobody hates on muslims.
the problems are double standards. there was a short story in an austrian newspaper (catholicism at its best).
the headline said something like "christians go up against muslims". it was somewhere in nigeria or so and christians massacred the living shit out of a muslim group. machetes, bow and arrows, knives and so fucking on. and the wording was like it was a little fistfight. no mention of deaths, the weapons or the sheer violence (i had to recheck on the internet for the whole story).
if it was the other way round, everybody would flip shit because of how unfair it is to kill christians for the sake of your belief.
this brings me to another point. lets say i am a christian in a country having big problems with christians (china, south-east, africa or so). and its starting to affect my personal security and the security of my family. I WOULD CONVERT THE FUCK OR LEAVE. letting your kids suffer just because you think youre on the right boat is fucking selfish.
/rant
the problems are double standards. there was a short story in an austrian newspaper (catholicism at its best).
the headline said something like "christians go up against muslims". it was somewhere in nigeria or so and christians massacred the living shit out of a muslim group. machetes, bow and arrows, knives and so fucking on. and the wording was like it was a little fistfight. no mention of deaths, the weapons or the sheer violence (i had to recheck on the internet for the whole story).
if it was the other way round, everybody would flip shit because of how unfair it is to kill christians for the sake of your belief.
this brings me to another point. lets say i am a christian in a country having big problems with christians (china, south-east, africa or so). and its starting to affect my personal security and the security of my family. I WOULD CONVERT THE FUCK OR LEAVE. letting your kids suffer just because you think youre on the right boat is fucking selfish.
/rant
yeahno
Active member
tell me this.
I consider myself a decent person. I take some time to give back, i volunteer at a soup kitchen and an organization that gives clothes to needy people. I am an agnostic. So. Will I go to hell while some ignorant, religious fuck who thinks its wrong to be gay, and a curse to be black goes to heaven.
I consider myself a decent person. I take some time to give back, i volunteer at a soup kitchen and an organization that gives clothes to needy people. I am an agnostic. So. Will I go to hell while some ignorant, religious fuck who thinks its wrong to be gay, and a curse to be black goes to heaven.
ryano
Active member
Follow me on this.. god is a just god and a fair god.
So go with me on this..you consider yourself a good person? Have you ever lied? Stolen? Lusted? Hated?(god considers hate the same as murdering in your heart). So let's say youve said yes to three of those. So you are a lying, thieving adulterer. Doesn't sound like a good person to me..
So say you're in the court of law. And there's a guy that murdered his wife and robbed a bank. But he says to the judge, "im really sorry, and im typically a good person. Let me go!"is is the judge going to let him go? No. He's gonna have to pay for what he's done. And that's the same for us and getting into heaven.
We have sinned, all of us. Meaning God, because he is just and fair, can't allow us into heaven. And that's why he sent his son, to die on the cross for all our sins, and if we accept that, and put your faith in christ that he did that, and live your life for Him and what not, then because you've asked for forgiveness of your sins, you can go to heaven.
So go with me on this..you consider yourself a good person? Have you ever lied? Stolen? Lusted? Hated?(god considers hate the same as murdering in your heart). So let's say youve said yes to three of those. So you are a lying, thieving adulterer. Doesn't sound like a good person to me..
So say you're in the court of law. And there's a guy that murdered his wife and robbed a bank. But he says to the judge, "im really sorry, and im typically a good person. Let me go!"is is the judge going to let him go? No. He's gonna have to pay for what he's done. And that's the same for us and getting into heaven.
We have sinned, all of us. Meaning God, because he is just and fair, can't allow us into heaven. And that's why he sent his son, to die on the cross for all our sins, and if we accept that, and put your faith in christ that he did that, and live your life for Him and what not, then because you've asked for forgiveness of your sins, you can go to heaven.
cwillygood
Active member
contex
Props to you, OP. Major respect for making this thread. Also a note about Catholicism. Disclaimer: I'm not saying that its better or more right than protestant, lutheran, etc. Â Anyway, within the christian community people always rip on catholics. Why, because they have more structure? Tradition and hierarchy in addition to prayer and bible. I don't see why people hate on that, yeah it can be more of a pain sometime, but that shouldn't matter. And mentioned earlier praying through a father who prays through Mary who prays through Jesus to God. Catholics pray to Mary, or Jesus or God, directly. Just to clear that up. Also Catholicism was there first, protestantism came afterwards, changing how people practice Christianity. I'm not trying to put down other denominations and say that Catholicism is better but I just wanted to clear up catholic stereotypes. Sparknotes: Catholics believe in the same thing as everyone else just with a little bit more structure. Anyway that was a good read OP, thanks.
NinetyFour
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Aha who else here is "Religious" As in goes to church a few times a year, and its merley a deal to you like karma and luck? You know like, your about to drop in and hit a big booter and you just toss it out there, that you'd like a little hand on this one, and hope for the best?