For those seeking the truth.

basically it is about the US government and how coppurt it really is. forget everything you ever knew about 9/11, and US war itself, becasue this movie digs very deeply, and comes up with not only evidence, but proof that 9/11 was orchestrated by those behind th4e curtain of the american government. It also starts with how completly false and contrived the basis of christianity really is, and how the bible is merely an astrological metaphor.
 
Wow, everyone needs to watch this, you have absolutely every reason in the world to be enlightened with the information this movie offers, trust me.
 
your a complete fucking idiot for ever thinking the government was involved with the attacks on 9/11. Wow.

However the "completly false and contrived the basis of christianity part," i would agree with.
 
Thank you for your interest in Zeitgeist.

Zeitgeist was created as a not for profit expression to inspire people to start looking at the world

from a more critical perspective and to understand that very often things are not what the

population at large think they are. The information in Zeitgeist was established over a year long period

of research and the current Source page on this site lists the sources used / referenced.

Soon, an interactive transcript will be online with detailed footnotes and links.

It's important to point out that there is a tendency to simply disbelieve things that are

counter to our understanding, without the necessary research performed.

For example, some information contained in Part 1 and Part 3, specifically, is not obtained

by simple keyword searches on the Internet. You have to dig deeper. For instance,

very often people who look up "Horus" or "The Federal Reserve" on the Internet

draw their conclusions from very general or biased sources. Online encyclopedias or text book

Encyclopedias often do not contain the information contained in Zeitgeist. However, if one takes

the time to read the sources provided, they will find that what is being presented is

based on documented evidence. Any corrections, clarifications & further points regarding the film

are found on the Clarifications page.

That being said, it is my hope that people will not take what is said

in the film as the truth, but find out for themselves, for truth is not told, it is realized.

Thank you

 
That is exactly as i understood it. You have to be critical of everything and find the truth for yourself. This movie brings about extremly interesting points that I have seen rallied over and over again throughout differnt parts of the "underground media." For this reason i praise the internet as it allows a place for free ideas to be transferred. However, at the same time the internet provides unlimited information on how to track a person and find out loads of info about them, who thier friends are etc. For instance soo much information about you can be picked off of facebook,myspace, or even NS your IP address can be tracked, and every post you've ever made can be read in some place as almost all sites are backed up. This means that in the future if these forces do appear and thier is a full out clash between the above forces and the general public, they have infomative means to track you down, and make you disapeear. THIS SCARES ME A SHIT LOAD. We are nowhere near the this point yet, but if it does happen, you should be very aware of your actions. I don't know if I would be a nuetral, friend or foe in the future, most likely none of this will develop into a large scale visible conflict.....right now its up us to make as many people as we can think freely, and Know what is happening in the world around them. Regardless of if these stories are truth or fiction, there seems to be something a foot. This makes me sound paranoid and crazy, but reason do i have to not believe in this stuff, or at least be cautious of the idea?
 
have any of you actually looked into the evidence presented in this movie, how easy would it be THEY say is the truth... the maker of this video could be doing the same thing u say the government did by twisting the truth.

im not saying thats whats going on here but it would be suitable to look into some of what this person is saying
 
the first part has to be extraggerated and manipulated or there would definitley be more in the media about it. I mean well over 3 billion christians, jews, muslims, and other people acknowlegde his existance as at least a man. some of 911 stuff is probably true but the banks controlling wars has only a sliver of truth most likely. this war in particular probly has something to do with them because they are all invested in oil companies and futures.
 
"you guys are blind"

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna#Birth

haha what they said about krishna is a complete lie. mythbusted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus#Birth

was actually born of the god zeus and sewn into his testicles.

mithra was somewhat similar according to his page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithra#In_Zoroastrianism

go to around the 15 minuite mark and there is a list of supposed similar gods

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin#Characteristics

odin a god of scandanavia is absolutely nothing like jesus.

some of the gods or goddesses in the list were repeats just with different spelling or slightly different in different sects. some i couldnt find and many had nothing in common with christ.
 
Anything can be proved in this world...and people are so gullible they will believe anything. There is also much info out there that proves the U.S. gov was never involved in 9/11. Of course that was left out of the movie.

TO prove my point, I challange you to give me a point that is generally seen as false. I bet you i can convince you it's true.
 
Since when did wikipedia become a legit source. any bozo from the street can write a column on that site, then again, any bozo with a camera can make a movie.
 
Okay, I posted this in NS thinkers but I thought it was good. Don't bitch about how long it is, read it or don't.

First off, I just want to say that this is an interesting movie and I plan to watch all of it. I've only watched Part I, and I'm going to go ahead and tear most of his argument apart.

There are so many places I could start, but the main point is that most of this stuff is simply coincidence. If you go through something as broad and massive as all of human history up to Jesus, you are bound to find some similarities. I'm not impressed by all the prophets he says have similar characteristics to Jesus. When people create myths of gods/prophets, it is not that astounding that many of them have virgin births. If you believe there is a being that is divine but came to earth, what easier way to do that than to have a human mother and divine father. Bam, virgin birth. It wasn't stolen from other cultures, it is simply the most convenient explanation for creating these figures.

The thing where he said that Moses came down to see the Israelites worshiping the bull symbolizes the transition to a new "age" had some pretty weak backup. First, the physical time it takes for these constellations to shift is unimaginable. It's not like you wake up one morning and the sun is now in a new constellation or whatever. It takes a long-ass time, and you probably wouldn't even notice a change in a lifetime, much less for however long Moses was on the mountain.

Also, I couldn't find for sure, but I'm almost positive that the Zodiac calendar we use today didn't exist back then, at least not in the same form. Jesus representing the age of Pisces was pretty stupid too. Of course you're going to find a few fish references in there, that's all the people ate! I'm not convinced. Moving on...

Where he said the Ten Commandments were "stolen" from the Egyptian Book of the Dead, did anyone else notice that there were about five highlighted from about a hundred rules? Of course you're going to find a rule that says "Do not kill" in other cultures, you couldn't really have a good civilization without it.

And if he is so convinced that the Church was set up to manipulate masses of people, why isn't the Vatican today calling all Catholics to go get some new land? I'm sure the pope could use a new vacation home, he needs a tan. No, it's because the Church truly believes what it teaches. It's not based on some epic conspiracy. If what he said really was true, why wouldn't the Church have shut it down?

That being said, there are some interesting points in the movie. And no, I'm not saying that the Bible should be literally interpreted or that Christianity is the only true faith, or even that I know Jesus existed for sure.(Although most scholars agree he did.) I'm also not saying that the Church is perfect. Far from it. I was just pissed off at how damn sure of himself this guy was. He'd say " Well most people believe blah blah blah, but the REALITY is this." Yeah, well how the fuck do you know? We don't even know for sure what's going on in the world today, and we sure as hell don't know everything that went on thousands of years ago. We'll probably never know for sure whether there is a God. I believe there Jesus existed, but I'm not sure. This guy believes Jesus didn't, which is fine, but he doesn't know for sure and should stop pretending like he does.

Now I'll shut up and go watch the rest of the movie. If anyone wants to respond that would be awesome.
 
exactly. this movie is a bigger lie than any religion. im sure if i went and looked up the other 2 parts id find them to be completely ludacris.

like I said in NS thinkers alot the people on this forum blindly accepted this movie as truth just like the religous individuals criticize. i really wish i could meet the asshole who made this film
 
personally i found the first part to be the most fucked and out there, it held no real grounds and didn't link up to anything....the second part had some interesting parts that made you wonder more about 9/11, like how the buildings collasped in such an implosion like factor, the fall of building 7 or whatever, and the molten steal.          The banks financing war is super belivable......it makes perfect sense, Why do you have to belive that because the people are americans they are good people?  there are bad people in ever nation of the world that will do anything to better themselves.  Think of all the leaders that have order the deaths of millions of civilians.  WAR is money, i've learned this in school in economic classes, its just a fact of life. Even if this part of the movie is not truth it holds  more steadfats than any other part in the movie.  If any part of the movie has somethign to say it is this section, and you should at least acknowledge and consider the possability of such plan.  What doens't make sense about a plan like that? The embeded chip thing holds a lot of dangers to freedom, this is slowly becoming a reality, and its does have many benifical practical uses, but it can also easily bee used as a crazy controlling factor. 
 
Actually I disagree with you. It's kind of funny, because my Origin's of Christianity TA from last fall semester, is actually pursuing her phd writing a thesis on the Zodiac and it's applicaton throughout religion.

The Zodiac was developed in Mesopotamia and in the Nile River Valley between 4500 and 5000 BCE. Of course people just didn't wake up and notice changes in the cycles. Philosophers and early scientists did record things. The Babylonians actually had an excellent system of writing and book keeping. They knew what the fuck was going on up there.

I think you're getting the wrong idea. The film isn't saying that Christianity copied off off the other religions. It's just showing how nearly all relgions are based off of the same thing. And seriously... there are far too many coincidences in my mind. But if you really think about it... the stars and other celestial objects in the sky were the thing that was most unexplainable to people back then. It makes sense that people would symbolically represent these events. And I mean c'mon dude... I don't think it's simply mere coincidence that many religions "just happen" to pick the time of Winter Solstice as their time of birth. Check out this cool little page showing other Pagan aspects in Christianity too.

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/wheel.htm

I find the part about the Obelisk most interesting. Considering it's the focal point in St. Peter's Square. And traditionally it clearly a Pagan symbol.

I'm going to watch the film again though... I'm not quite sure about the whole "wobble effect" they were talking about though. My TA never mentioned anything like that before. So I definitely have to re-check that.
 
i agree with pretty muchall of your guys posts its hard to find the line between all the propaganda

but thelast part is by far the best way to wrap up that movie and i enjoyed watching it
 
bush knew that 9/11 was going to happen he just used it as an excuse to invade iraq for its oil
 
why? bush wanted a reason to go into the middle east. he got it. what makes you think that there is no possibility the government had no part in the attacks?
 
my thoughts on the movie.

part 1.

Religion is a modern (actual) mythology. It is regarded the same way greek mythology (yup, zeus, aries and all those gods) was regarded thousands of years ago. It dosen't neccisaraly rip off other religions. Its like a copy with no original (a good example of this phenominom is ciment. The romans were the first to invent ciment only for it to be lost and then rediscoverd centuries later. If roman ciment was the original, dose that neccisaraly mean that the guy who reinvented ciment copied them? Maybe he got the idea from them, but worked it out on his own, just like with religion.)

But all in all i too belive religion is complete BULL SHIT.

part 2.

The whole 9/11 incident is quit convinient, but the question is for who? The Affgans didn't get anything from it, Osama had to live in a hole because of it, the US goverment had a CAUSE to go to war. The thing is that war means money, lots of it. And if the whole loaning with intrest stuff is correct, then the central bank would make a shit load of money. Lets not forget that a shit load of money can make people do pretty much anything.

The people in power had many motives to join WWI, WWII and and start the Vietnam war. mostley money and power. The idea that the Vietnam war was never ment to be won, but to but sustaind has alot of logic to it. the longer the war goes on, the more money the banks loan, the more intrest that has to be returned, the more money in the bankers wallets. But a country can't just go to war, their has to be a reason for it to do so. The sinking of the Lusitania gave reason for America to enter WWI, Pearl Harbor for WWII, and the Vietnames attack against amircan forces for Vietnam. Keeping in mind that history repets itself, it would be very logical that 9/11 was the cause of the war on terror, but the motives for all those wars aren't 100% clear.

If the US goverment was behind the first 3 incedents (as it would seem, all those could have been easily avoided), wouldn't it be logical for them to be behind 9/11.

Plus, i doubt that 2 plains could do so much damage to 3 buildings in NY.

part 3.

The media shows you only what it wants you to know. Little reporters have the balls to put everything on the line and go after those corrupt basterds in power.
 
no that is fucking bulshit im sorry. the us government wouldnt drive two plans into the most heaviy populated city in america and kill all those inocent people. no matter how fucked the government is they wouldnt of organized 9 11
 
Even if they didnt plan 911 they are still responsible.

Rice got a memo on her desk titled "Osama determined to attack inside the united states"

They let it happen.
 
The Earth does "wobble" on its axis as the movie suggests. The implication however that this strange gyration cycles us through the Pagan astrological calender is news to me...quite honestly it sounds to bizarre to be true.
 
wikipedia 99% of the time has the correct information. i seriously dougbt that all the articles i posted are completely wrong and left out the similarities with christ.

this movies complete bullshit.
 
well alot of the similarities were lies or some at least but very valid point. The book of the dead was a thing every egyptian wrote before they died i believe, In which they would name off sins that they had not committed and then the god of the underworld would compare the weight of their heart to the weight of a feather.

BTW great post

 
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