For those seeking the truth.
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scientist
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How can you say that this movie is complete bullshit? They very well could have left out bits of the truth, or twisted it, but complete bullshit would seem a little excessive and would be uncovered post haste. You could possibly open your mind to the possibility that what said is true, or at least based upon truth. Once again, that is just my opinion. You can go live your sheltered life protected by "god", for if that gives you security and happiness, why not. After all, thats what life is truly about. dont fill your mind, but empty it.
TheButterHashira
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the first time i watched i was pretty open minded to the ideas in it. The second time i watched it I was much more analytical and researched some of the stuff. I dont think the entire film is BS but the gist or main points i find to false.
Rez4frederick
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holy shit, part 1 is dead on. Religion is all based on astrological shit, it all makes sense now.
RastaSkier9
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Going into my threads, im at work and have no sound here
Seriously, you guys are so stupid.
The U.S. had nothing to do with 9/11. We were only the victims. And to those that said the U.S. knew, that the U.S. got a memo. They get memos of attacks every day. They took it into consideration, but what would you have wanted them to do, stop alll flights for the next year? Fo example, if some guy walked up to you and said "don't go skiing tomorrow, there is going t be an avalanche" would you suddenly not go skiing? No. But if there were an avalanche and you were critically injured, it could be made sound that you were reponsible for it. On top of that, they had tons of other "memos" that said things like anthrax was gonna be spread all over the country.
You can think Bush is a bad president. But please do not blame him for 9/11 and make him sound just as bad as Hitler.
The U.S. had nothing to do with 9/11. We were only the victims. And to those that said the U.S. knew, that the U.S. got a memo. They get memos of attacks every day. They took it into consideration, but what would you have wanted them to do, stop alll flights for the next year? Fo example, if some guy walked up to you and said "don't go skiing tomorrow, there is going t be an avalanche" would you suddenly not go skiing? No. But if there were an avalanche and you were critically injured, it could be made sound that you were reponsible for it. On top of that, they had tons of other "memos" that said things like anthrax was gonna be spread all over the country.
You can think Bush is a bad president. But please do not blame him for 9/11 and make him sound just as bad as Hitler.
It's funny because you are the one that believes what the media is telling you. I actually have a mind for myself. You can not take a movie that wants to convince you that 9/11 is a big conspiracy seriously because they are the ones that really aren't giving you the "whole truth." If there was a neutral company that gave us ALL the evidence and backed it up and put it into a movie, lets see what it says than.
on top of all that, it is still islamic terrorists that flew the planes into the buildings. If you really believe this shit you can say they didn't stop it, but you can't call them responsible. Without those terrorists the attack never would have happened.
on top of all that, it is still islamic terrorists that flew the planes into the buildings. If you really believe this shit you can say they didn't stop it, but you can't call them responsible. Without those terrorists the attack never would have happened.
1st part- Irrelevant. The Pagan symbols where purposely put into the Christian religion to reunite the roman Empire. This made for an easier transition between the Pagan beliefs and Christianity. It doesn't prove anything except what we already know is true-most of the bible not based on facts.
2nd part- Same as Loose change which has been ripped apart and even laughed at.
3rd part-Even if the attacks for WWI and WWII were provoked or were allowed it ended up saving millions of lives overseas as a direct result of the U.S.'s involvement. Saving lives is a far greater motive than the Federal Reserve making a few bucks.
As for the chip that monitors you? Unless your a terrorist or a serial killer theres nothing to worry about even if it does happen. (Even though it wont). There is nowhere near enough man power to monitor everybody 24 7.
2nd part- Same as Loose change which has been ripped apart and even laughed at.
3rd part-Even if the attacks for WWI and WWII were provoked or were allowed it ended up saving millions of lives overseas as a direct result of the U.S.'s involvement. Saving lives is a far greater motive than the Federal Reserve making a few bucks.
As for the chip that monitors you? Unless your a terrorist or a serial killer theres nothing to worry about even if it does happen. (Even though it wont). There is nowhere near enough man power to monitor everybody 24 7.
CooksCorner
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Distilled the films punch points ran something like this.
Part One: Man creates false God.
Part Two: Men freed by the revelation of God's contrived nature, use him as a weapon to dominate society. The latest permutation is the Bush White house, who's tactics are cast as unethical.
Part Three: It is implied that the world is Governed by a small group of tyrannical intellectuals who dominate the banking industry and thus the worlds economies.
Part one seems believable. The bible is full of problematic contradictions under the 'Christian' frame of interpretation and maybe a shift in perspective is required to realize the truth of the text.
Part two seems to get a little contrived. Certainly the author/director raises some interesting points surrounding the 9/11 controversy. It seems clear to me that something other than what we were told occurred on that day, but that does not allow us to jump to the conclusion that a small handful of individuals conspired to kill thousands of their own citizens. The shear number of individuals who had to be "in" on the plan is staggering, and seems beyond reason...it would simply to hard to conceal as a secret plan.
A primary correlates is drawn between 9/11 and Pearl Harbor, both the author implies were attacks perpetrated or condoned by the respective administrations. The film delivered an unfair slant on how the events of the day unfolded, stating with absolution that the lack of action was intentional. This is not considered the majority opinion by historians, but it is respected as a potential course of events. At any rate, only rouge scholars would associate the President's inaction with a money making scheme for the Fed. Most often the aforementioned perspective attempts to highlight how Roosevelt snapped Americans from their shortsighted, isolationist perspective (dominant at the time).
As far as part three goes, I think thats absolutely ridiculous. I work for a fund raising firm that specializes in developing fund raising campaigns for philanthropies. Every single day my boss goes out and meets with the heads of major corporations like JP Morgan Chase, CitiGroup, GE, just about anyone you can think of. Additionally one of our biggest clients is the Archdioceses of New York, one of the most powerful Catholic blocks in the entire world. While each of these groups has access to massive amounts of money and influence, the notion that these small groups alone rule the world is absurd. There are thousands of obscenely wealthy individuals that are not cut from this cloth, in-fact, many of the worlds wealthiest people made their money from developing cleaning solutions or distributing food. Whats more important to recognize is that most of the worlds money is 'new money', meaning money that was generated and collected within the last one or two generations. As mystical and compelling as it sounds, there is no secret society of old money turning the world into puppets. Most of the power that used to be associated with the enumerated family names (Morgan, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt) has eroded with time.
Additionally the level of coordination required to carry out this masquerade would require a level of coordination that is beyond belief. It would require that every free thinker be stifled or assassinated. It would mean that the internet was policed, edited, and contrived without anyone noticing or sounding an alarm. It would require that every journalist do exactly as their told. And most importantly it would require that every product, brand image, or facet of commercial society functions to blow smoke into our eyes and cotton into our ears. This level of communication and hierarchical respect is simply beyond the capacity of humanity. The nature of our being human makes us prone to breakdowns and mistakes, and our innate pursuit of individual freedom would tear against this Orwellian scenario the film postulates.
Its good that the film requests that you think; calling that we each ACT upon our realties rather than REACT to them. That said, take the positions forwarded by the film with a grain of salt. Most often the imagination is a tool that runs beyond reality rather than parallel to it.
Learn, think and act. Stand up to fear-mongering, whatever form it may take.
Part One: Man creates false God.
Part Two: Men freed by the revelation of God's contrived nature, use him as a weapon to dominate society. The latest permutation is the Bush White house, who's tactics are cast as unethical.
Part Three: It is implied that the world is Governed by a small group of tyrannical intellectuals who dominate the banking industry and thus the worlds economies.
Part one seems believable. The bible is full of problematic contradictions under the 'Christian' frame of interpretation and maybe a shift in perspective is required to realize the truth of the text.
Part two seems to get a little contrived. Certainly the author/director raises some interesting points surrounding the 9/11 controversy. It seems clear to me that something other than what we were told occurred on that day, but that does not allow us to jump to the conclusion that a small handful of individuals conspired to kill thousands of their own citizens. The shear number of individuals who had to be "in" on the plan is staggering, and seems beyond reason...it would simply to hard to conceal as a secret plan.
A primary correlates is drawn between 9/11 and Pearl Harbor, both the author implies were attacks perpetrated or condoned by the respective administrations. The film delivered an unfair slant on how the events of the day unfolded, stating with absolution that the lack of action was intentional. This is not considered the majority opinion by historians, but it is respected as a potential course of events. At any rate, only rouge scholars would associate the President's inaction with a money making scheme for the Fed. Most often the aforementioned perspective attempts to highlight how Roosevelt snapped Americans from their shortsighted, isolationist perspective (dominant at the time).
As far as part three goes, I think thats absolutely ridiculous. I work for a fund raising firm that specializes in developing fund raising campaigns for philanthropies. Every single day my boss goes out and meets with the heads of major corporations like JP Morgan Chase, CitiGroup, GE, just about anyone you can think of. Additionally one of our biggest clients is the Archdioceses of New York, one of the most powerful Catholic blocks in the entire world. While each of these groups has access to massive amounts of money and influence, the notion that these small groups alone rule the world is absurd. There are thousands of obscenely wealthy individuals that are not cut from this cloth, in-fact, many of the worlds wealthiest people made their money from developing cleaning solutions or distributing food. Whats more important to recognize is that most of the worlds money is 'new money', meaning money that was generated and collected within the last one or two generations. As mystical and compelling as it sounds, there is no secret society of old money turning the world into puppets. Most of the power that used to be associated with the enumerated family names (Morgan, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt) has eroded with time.
Additionally the level of coordination required to carry out this masquerade would require a level of coordination that is beyond belief. It would require that every free thinker be stifled or assassinated. It would mean that the internet was policed, edited, and contrived without anyone noticing or sounding an alarm. It would require that every journalist do exactly as their told. And most importantly it would require that every product, brand image, or facet of commercial society functions to blow smoke into our eyes and cotton into our ears. This level of communication and hierarchical respect is simply beyond the capacity of humanity. The nature of our being human makes us prone to breakdowns and mistakes, and our innate pursuit of individual freedom would tear against this Orwellian scenario the film postulates.
Its good that the film requests that you think; calling that we each ACT upon our realties rather than REACT to them. That said, take the positions forwarded by the film with a grain of salt. Most often the imagination is a tool that runs beyond reality rather than parallel to it.
Learn, think and act. Stand up to fear-mongering, whatever form it may take.
statuswhitegirl
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i watched it twice and it like changed me i told all my friends and they said i was a dumbass for believing it but if u look at their evidence its all true if u just watch it ull get it
ryan.c
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yea age makes no difference dude
in the middle of watchin it, i tired to get 2 of my friends too as well cause it was just unbelieveable, and they just didnt want too...too lazy...exactly what the movie's talking about......and the evidence for everything is crazy. since wen was there malten lava at the bottom of 911? and the fact that its not physically possible for that much titanium(talkin about the plane that hit the pentagon) to just be "vaporized" like they said. and just all the other stuff in the movie is crazy
in the middle of watchin it, i tired to get 2 of my friends too as well cause it was just unbelieveable, and they just didnt want too...too lazy...exactly what the movie's talking about......and the evidence for everything is crazy. since wen was there malten lava at the bottom of 911? and the fact that its not physically possible for that much titanium(talkin about the plane that hit the pentagon) to just be "vaporized" like they said. and just all the other stuff in the movie is crazy
hey buddy, I'm not even American. But I am smart enough to know that this movie is only taking the evidence that points to it being a conspiracy. There is also lots that proves the U.S. had nothing to do with it. MAYBE, maybe Im saying the U.S. knew there was gonna be some kind of terrorist attack was being planned. But they didn't know when,that would fly into the WTC, and when this alleged attack was going to happen. You can't shut down the whole country for this, because that would be just plain stupid and cause wide spread panic on top of that.
And on top of all that, the terrorists planned this attack for a very long time. So why isn't Clinton also being blamed?
And on top of all that, the terrorists planned this attack for a very long time. So why isn't Clinton also being blamed?
You are the one that is listenng to the media. i know you can't listen to everything they say. But I take in the information and make an opinion for myself.
Just curious, what exactly do you think happened? Do you think Bush or someone in the government knew on the morning of 9/11 that planes would fly into the WTC? Or do you believe something like I said in my earlier post?
Just curious, what exactly do you think happened? Do you think Bush or someone in the government knew on the morning of 9/11 that planes would fly into the WTC? Or do you believe something like I said in my earlier post?
CLO
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the stuff about jesus i dont believe, how could you not belive the millions of people that preach about christianity, and believe this one dude making this video
also, the sept 11 stuff obviosuly cant be true, but it does have some good stuff which can be led for people to beleive that the government is hiding some stuff
also, the sept 11 stuff obviosuly cant be true, but it does have some good stuff which can be led for people to beleive that the government is hiding some stuff
Black-Bandanna
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Mehh, not so true.
Older people have experienced a lot more and their brains have fully developed. Younger people in general more easily believe what they are told.
Older people have experienced a lot more and their brains have fully developed. Younger people in general more easily believe what they are told.
Eleven
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wtf, how am I the one listening to the media? lol. most of my beliefs are miles away from the mainstream opinion. i believe 9/11 was an israeli false flag and portions of our governmnet had prior knowledge. this is not even a conspiracy, there are videos everywhere showing firefighter and cops testyfying to what they saw. there is so much that is pointing to it being an inside job it is rediculous. i really dont feel like having to be the one who shows you the proof , loose change is disinformation and doesnt even scratch the surface.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVDCzymSTw8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVDCzymSTw8
But the real question is, who went number 2 in the urinal, mmmkay?
On a more serious note, I'm saving this for tomorrow when I have time to watch it. I'll give my opinion then.
On a more serious note, I'm saving this for tomorrow when I have time to watch it. I'll give my opinion then.
A_E
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bullshit... Just look at the overwhelming evidence theorized by Dr. Anton Pavlovich Chekhov. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Chekhov . Look down to the "Yalta" section where he goes into depth on his theories. FUCK THE HATERS. Dr. Anton Pavlovich Chekhov for life!!!!!
ERIEcoastSKIER
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i think the true, underlying message of the movie is to encourage people to think for themselves, not believe everything, read a book instead of watching TV, and approach everything with an open, scientific mind. it seems to be working, somewhat.
Mezmerize19
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for the conspiracy people: I really fail to belive our government is smart enough to do all that at the moment...
skinlikewinter
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i did. fuck you.
I'm dumbfounded. I'm far from ignorant in regards to conspiracy theory, but this has hit an unprecedented pinacle of assertation. I'm perplexed in regards to what our future holds. But in all honesty, I don't see the possibility of a few individuals successfully conducting something this insane. FUCK I don't know what to think...
TheButterHashira
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911 was some pissed off muslims. jeez these people need to get a life.
TheButterHashira
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i mean why in the hell would the bush administration cripple the economy and get us into a 2 front war if they could of stopped it.
pbandj
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maybe because bush wanted that war and afghanistan was only a stepping stone to bush's main target iraq, but whatever i'm not about to get flamed over this just remember that all of the greatest civilizations in history (rome, greece etc..) at one point or another became extremely corrupt who's to say that our's is any different?
