Folsom skis is getting lit up on Instagram

[cobra_commander]

I think we should all calm down and take a minute. This isn’t a contest to prove who is better or anything like that. There is a long history that informs people’s experiences and honestly it’s pretty bitter and negative against indigenous people with few exceptions. I think it’s important to realize and understand who’s land you’re occupying- your house and mine was built on a parcel of land that was occupied for 10,000 years prior to our ancestors arrival so I don’t think it’s too much to ask to show a little respect.

Occupied by whom? There is a large misconception that prior to white settlement North America was a bunch of happily cohabitating tribes which got along. This isn’t accurate there was constant warfare just like everywhere else in the world prior to 1900. Most tribes had only been living in their ‘ancestral homelands’ for one to three generations before American settlement. In a similar fashion they used overwhelming violence and economic warfare to conquer lands and enslave other people. Actions which would hardly stand up to the court of modern opinion.

If you live on historically Snoqualmie territory as many in western wa do, their history is particularly violent as they were basically the bully in WA and viewed white settlers as useful ally’s to further their war against other tribes, particularly the Yakama.

fun fact of the day. Let’s stop pretending white people have some sort of monopoly on oppressive violence to exploit others. Just been better at it in more recent history.

 

[corona]

Pro tip for ski companies looking to use indigenous artwork on their skis: just hire an indigenous artist. Not that hard.

 

[hunternay_10]

Pro tip for ski companies looking to use indigenous artwork on their skis: just hire an indigenous artist. Not that hard.

Finally someone answered my question

 

[Casey]

Occupied by whom? There is a large misconception that prior to white settlement North America was a bunch of happily cohabitating tribes which got along. This isn’t accurate there was constant warfare just like everywhere else in the world prior to 1900. Most tribes had only been living in their ‘ancestral homelands’ for one to three generations before American settlement. In a similar fashion they used overwhelming violence and economic warfare to conquer lands and enslave other people. Actions which would hardly stand up to the court of modern opinion.

If you live on historically Snoqualmie territory as many in western wa do, their history is particularly violent as they were basically the bully in WA and viewed white settlers as useful ally’s to further their war against other tribes, particularly the Yakama.

fun fact of the day. Let’s stop pretending white people have some sort of monopoly on oppressive violence to exploit others. Just been better at it in more recent history.

I hate this type of argument because it’s like now I have to list 274 things that the US did terribly wrong in settling North America and all the bad shit that happened but I’m too lazy. I understand the complexities of tribal life pre European contact I am not an expert but I took a couple of Native American history classes back in the day at WSU. I’m not a moron.

 

[BigmoneyMatt]

I hate this type of argument because it’s like now I have to list 274 things that the US did terribly wrong in settling North America and all the bad shit that happened but I’m too lazy. I understand the complexities of tribal life pre European contact I am not an expert but I took a couple of Native American history classes back in the day at WSU. I’m not a moron.

I'm pretty sure you still don't know as much as I do on the subject. My great great grandfather had many relations with native American women so I know some first hand account stories.on top of this I'm pretty much aceing social studies right now 96%. I got 100 percent on a sideshow I made about the Cherokee tribe.

 

[FUUUCK]

That blanket is literally still sold by HBC and those coloured stripes are ubiquitous with the company.

 

[Casey]

I'm pretty sure you still don't know as much as I do on the subject. My great great grandfather had many relations with native American women so I know some first hand account stories.on top of this I'm pretty much aceing social studies right now 96%. I got 100 percent on a sideshow I made about the Cherokee tribe.

The reason no one asks for your opinion is because they don’t want to hear it or care about what you have to say. I was responding to someone that is not you it doesn’t matter what you think.

 

[Frenchibre]

I hope your cancel culture and sjw wont expand too fast in the alps next years

 

[BigmoneyMatt]

The reason no one asks for your opinion is because they don’t want to hear it or care about what you have to say. I was responding to someone that is not you it doesn’t matter what you think.

Did it go right over your head that I had nothing to add to the conversation and was only mocking you?

 

[hunternay_10]

Did it go right over your head that I had nothing to add to the conversation and was only mocking you?

I feel like I’ve seen this happen before…in this thread…it’s really great when it isn’t you lmao

 

[Casey]

Did it go right over your head that I had nothing to add to the conversation and was only mocking you?

It absolutely did. I’ll take my medicine on that one I was drunk AF

 

[BigmoneyMatt]

It absolutely did. I’ll take my medicine on that one I was drunk AF

That's okay. What kind of meds do you take? Lately I've been on a very high dosage of haloperidol. It really works for me, I used to speak to the tree people and now they don't bother me so much anymore.do you believe in ents?

 

[bergobeanz]

[tag=254800]@ElizabethWarren[/tag] thoughts?

As a 1/64th Native American, I am greatly offended by my culture being stolen like this.

 

[FruitBootPro]

ok real shit:

by this logic, every Westerner who has made art inspired by Asian, Indian, or Middle Eastern culture (samurai, Hinduism, etc) is appropriating and should be cancelled.

and vice versa--every non-Western artist who has ever made anything inspired by Western culture (Medieval/Dark Ages, hippies, disco, hip-hop, etc etc) is appropriating and should be cancelled.

like cmon, it's not that deep y'all. there are more important things to be outraged about.

 

[apc.fr]

ok real shit:

by this logic, every Westerner who has made art inspired by Asian, Indian, or Middle Eastern culture (samurai, Hinduism, etc) is appropriating and should be cancelled.

and vice versa--every non-Western artist who has ever made anything inspired by Western culture (Medieval/Dark Ages, hippies, disco, hip-hop, etc etc) is appropriating and should be cancelled.

like cmon, it's not that deep y'all. there are more important things to be outraged about.

I'm one to at least understand the outrage. Skis are a little different than clothes, actual art pieces etc, only in that the topsheet is secondary to the actual thing you're getting, the ski.

Profiting directly by selling art, clothing etc isn't the same as adding art on a ski.

Doesn't really matter, folsom just posted an apology on theirs instagram...

 

[snowfinder]

soooo vishnu changing their name before the outrage comes?

 

[TheMoostafian]

We live in a society

 

[FruitBootPro]

soooo vishnu changing their name before the outrage comes?

They addressed this in another thread--

Emmet named the brand Vishnu out of inspiration and respect.

Also, he has talked to many Hindus about it and none of them have considered the brand name Vishnu offensive, as it does not depict the god in a derogatory way.

 

[hi_vis360]

ok real shit:

by this logic, every Westerner who has made art inspired by Asian, Indian, or Middle Eastern culture (samurai, Hinduism, etc) is appropriating and should be cancelled.

and vice versa--every non-Western artist who has ever made anything inspired by Western culture (Medieval/Dark Ages, hippies, disco, hip-hop, etc etc) is appropriating and should be cancelled.

like cmon, it's not that deep y'all. there are more important things to be outraged about.

Think about it this way -

In skiing, do you think there is a difference between ripping off another skiers style vs. taking inspiration from another skier? I definitely think so. Just copying another skier's style is wack, but taking inspiration from other skiers progresses the sport.

All this ski graphic controversy is the same concept. Is Folsom taking inspiration from these cultures, or are they blatantly ripping them off for the sake of profit? It's a hard line to define, same as it is with ski styles. But in my opinion folsom crossed the line here. If you disagree that's fine go and buy some folsoms

 

[corona]

ok real shit:

by this logic, every Westerner who has made art inspired by Asian, Indian, or Middle Eastern culture (samurai, Hinduism, etc) is appropriating and should be cancelled.

and vice versa--every non-Western artist who has ever made anything inspired by Western culture (Medieval/Dark Ages, hippies, disco, hip-hop, etc etc) is appropriating and should be cancelled.

like cmon, it's not that deep y'all. there are more important things to be outraged about.

'Inspired by' is a lot different than copying. There isn't a single piece of art (in any medium) that isn't inspired by the art of another culture.

What's problematic is when artwork is produced in a way meant to trick consumers into thinking it originated from somewhere it didn't or that depicts cultural images in a way that offends those part of that culture.

This might seem insignificant to you, but it certainly isn't to a lot of people who feel their culture and identity is threatened by those looking to make a buck off of it or who outright want to eliminate it.

 

[hunternay_10]

They addressed this in another thread--

Emmet named the brand Vishnu out of inspiration and respect.

Also, he has talked to many Hindus about it and none of them have considered the brand name Vishnu offensive, as it does not depict the god in a derogatory way.

Glad to hear that Emmett headed this off at the pass before anyone can actually get mad about it, however Vishnu is also so niche that I doubt people who actually care would ever find it

 

[FruitBootPro]

Vishnu is also so niche that I doubt people who actually care would ever find it

and Folsom isn't?

 

[hunternay_10]

and Folsom isn't?

They’re obviously much larger than Vishnu currently if they’re supplying skis to the xgames and able to put out 6 different “heritage” topsheets compared Vishnu only running out of stock by December every year. However, that might just be a testimony to Emmett’s product bc those shits bang

 

[arnie_grape]

reading this thread made me realize how lucky i am to not be as dumb as all of you water heads

 

[Session]

They’re obviously much larger than Vishnu currently if they’re supplying skis to the xgames and able to put out 6 different “heritage” topsheets compared Vishnu only running out of stock by December every year. However, that might just be a testimony to Emmett’s product bc those shits bang

You don't have to be a big company to have a lot of graphic options.

 

[hunternay_10]

You don't have to be a big company to have a lot of graphic options.

My main point was more about them supplying to the x games

 

[Session]

My main point was more about them supplying to the x games

A small brand has more agility to make some novelty skis for an event than a larger brand typically. K2 isn't going to interrupt a production line in China or waste the time of their team that presses proto's to make Burger King skis.

 

[Farmville420]

The only one I could see being offensive is Hudson Bay blanket top sheet since those blankets (intentional or not) killed a bunch of people, so like yeah that’s kind of a weird thing to put on a ski. Like I guess it’s kinda like putting a truck driver that crashed and killed people on a top sheet. Did he intentionally kill a bunch of pedestrians? Idk but why is he on a top sheet people died at the hands of his actions. Just the way I see it

 

[corona]

The only one I could see being offensive is Hudson Bay blanket top sheet since those blankets (intentional or not) killed a bunch of people, so like yeah that’s kind of a weird thing to put on a ski. Like I guess it’s kinda like putting a truck driver that crashed and killed people on a top sheet. Did he intentionally kill a bunch of pedestrians? Idk but why is he on a top sheet people died at the hands of his actions. Just the way I see it

I don't think there's any evidence those blankets were used as purposeful vectors of disease. I see zero issue with that design, other than maybe The Bay tries to sue them (they still sell the blanket).

 

[Farmville420]

I don't think there's any evidence those blankets were used as purposeful vectors of disease. I see zero issue with that design, other than maybe The Bay tries to sue them (they still sell the blanket).

Yeah I mean my whole point was that even if it wasn’t intentional the blankets still killed people. Idk considering the trail of tears killed nearly 60,000 indigenous people I wouldn’t put it past settlers to kill people on purpose, I mean settlers literally tried to murder bison out of existence to starve them to death. So yeah idk just like a weird symbol to slap on a ski imo

 

[GrapeHunter]

reading this thread made me realize how lucky i am to not be as dumb as all of you water heads

you mean you dont have more serious problems in life to worry about besides the artwork on a ski that only 600 people will ever see?!

 

[milotv34]

And last time I checked, nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything. So again why can’t we just buy what we like and not buy what we don’t.

**This post was edited on Mar 12th 2022 at 12:30:48am

yea dumbass nobodies saying you cant just buy what you like and not buy what you dont like, the issue is some people are selling stuff they probably shouldnt be selling

 

[Chunderface]

yea dumbass nobodies saying you cant just buy what you like and not buy what you dont like, the issue is some people are selling stuff they probably shouldnt be selling

The people selling it disagree with you. Neither side has to be right or wrong. But only one side is trying to impose its will on the other side. At some point in this life it is going to be helpful to realize that disagreements are normal and we can choose to move on.

 

[arnie_grape]

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